[k_lifter]

Make of this what you will.

A new video analysis of the collapse of the World Trade Center's south tower provides unmistakable evidence of implosions that trace a diagonal path across the building and appear well below the collapse point. The video clip will be familiar to regular readers, it's apparently filmed by a firefighter and shows the collapse of the south tower viewed face on from the side on which Flight 175 struck the building. The cameraman films half of the collapse of the building but turns to run as the debris begins to rain down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX9gdRST6zM

Only when slowed to a quarter speed can the full importance of the clip be appreciated. The footage clearly shows a diagonal pattern of implosions where the central columns were severed easily before the collapse point reaches them. The pattern of "squibs" that crisscross the tower are even more apparent when a color filter is added to the footage.In another excellent recently compiled video analysis clip, the same footage along with a selection of others is also featured.

http://www.webfives.com/itemviewer.aspx?nid=d181a98b-e2fc-44af-8da5-3a4b0d0810cd&so=1

Conservative estimates put the collapse of the south tower at around 14 seconds, a rate of collapse that almost rivals freefall speed. Simple physics dictates that for a building to fall at near freefall speed, the resistance of the building below needs to be removed before the collapse point reaches it.

This could only have been achieved by means up explosives or incendiary devices, evidence of which is clearly noticeable in almost every WTC collapse video.

[englishman]

is there a secret factory churning out this dirge on a daily basis

[Ploppy]

[hmmmm_maybe]

When the President and Vice President go to a commission and refuse to take a oath, which really in effect is to dodge telling the truth, the people have every right to disregard the official story.

When the most powerful military in the world allows the number ONE suspect to escape, not once, twice, but three times from right under their noses, almost with prior approval, it’s clear, we have been told a crock of doo doo.

When the key funder of the 911 attacks is traced and his handler identified, but not pursued, who incidentally was in the US having breakfast with officials on the morning of 911, is then allowed to leave the Country unhindered, the people have every right to demand a fresh independent enquiry. The 911 commission announced the money trail is of little importance.

When the majority of the twin tower buildings crumble to dust, including steel beams and office furniture, but leave paper untouched, it is clear something very unconventional happened that day.

When we are told the fires were so hot they weakened steel beams, yet people are seen standing in the gap left by the planes. It is pretty obvious; the fires could not have been that hot! Black smoke suggests a fire on the wane, not a raging inferno.

When hundreds of eyewitness statements taken in the hours and days after 911 are not allowed to be taken into consideration, it’s plain to see, there’s a huge cover up going on.
Many of the eyewitnesses recall sounds of multiple explosions going off in the buildings and one key witness, who still works for the authorities, explains seeing dead bodies in the lobby of WTC7 before any towers had fallen.

When people dare not speak up for fear of losing contracts or their jobs, you just know, there’s a reason behind it. When a highly decorated army officer speaks up and finds his clearance to view classified files is revoked, his health benefits and army pension revoked, it obvious to all but the deluded there are people doing their utmost to silence people. The officer in question, got off lightly, another whistle blower was poisoned for disclosing, hijackers were known and identified a year before the event, were living in accommodation paid for by the secret services and using documentation provided by said agencies, it’s blatantly obvious, the lines between the good and bad guys is all but a blur.

I could go on as there are more than 200 pieces of highly circumspect points raised that have yet to be answered.

Don’t worry English, we believe Bush and the big television networks in the US. Shame though, that even the majority of the propaganda bombarded citizens of the US say things do not stack up.

[Ploppy]

It's also a shame that the so called "movement of truth" covers itself with so many "questionable" points, almost as bad as you are suggesting the government is.

Why would the Government want to allow it's opposition (all groups, policial and personal) a chance to attack them?

We could go on and on about the holes in the Governments story, just like we could about the holes in the various conspiracies.

You are amased that people still believe the "Official" version of events?

I am fascinated to see that others assume the most extreem opposite version of events too.

[LittleMinX]

[Ploppy]

[LittleMinX]

ok Ploppy. can I offer you some baked apples?

I dont think that people who see things from a different perspective than the official line do so because they immediately suspect the government to be lying. Personally speaking I do not automatically accept in totallity every alternative theory that is presented....however I think its well worth while reading, listening and thinking beyond the scope of what is generally perceived as truth.
I didnt think you were an idiot by pointing out holes in the alternative theories...I actually didnt call you an idiot. I merely suggested being complacent is being ignorant to possibilities.
Please accept my delicious baked apples as a peace offering.

[Burnum]

[Ploppy]

[k_lifter]

Yo utake issue with the wording, not the actual facts....Go back to sleep Ploppy.

[LittleMinX]

[Ploppy]

Because they are not "facts".

*sigh*

If you look into it, there are discussions about smoke "colouring" about on the net, along with many pictures clearly showing heat, and impressive fires. The "infamous" woman by the window picture is hardly "proof" that there was no fire sufficient in the building.

[LittleMinX]

[Ploppy]

[k_lifter]

[k_lifter]

"According"

[LittleMinX]

[k_lifter]

Also ploppy, how do you explain hotspots and molten steel pools that appear weeks after the event, that are hotter than anything jet fuel could produce?

[LittleMinX]

[Ploppy]

[Ploppy]

[LittleMinX]

[Ploppy]

My own personal opinion?

I have put it here before.

I think that in many a faceless office, there were working many officials with bits of information. This was passed up the chain.

The area I don't know is next.

Either someone reicieved this information, and a political decison was made to do nothing, or the inofrmation was bungled, misshandled and lost, I dont know.

At this point, I think the planes were crashed as they appear to have been done.

The "conspiracy" in my mind is the possibility that a deliberate decision was made by a hnadful of people in more or less knowledge of the full picture, to do nothing.

That is possible, I feel.

The bombs, no-planes, expolsives theories use many a point where there is no clear provable answer either way, but when you add it up to the entire big picture, you are asking an organisation that cant even get my council tax correct to run the biggest conspiracy on the planet? There is so much wrong with that as a piece of logic, it strikes me as ... interesting to assume that when there is something that cant be proven wither way, it must support it.

[Ploppy]