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Ploppy
Joined: 08 Jul 2007
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| Saleem wrote: | | sometimes they used peaceful methods, sometimes other ways, but they were moderate, u treat others how your treated, i do know my religion, i don't need a lecture from u sister asiya. |
How did the people on the tube trains on July 7th treat Muslims? |
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Asiya
Joined: 07 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Saleem wrote: | | sometimes they used peaceful methods, sometimes other ways, but they were moderate, u treat others how your treated, i do know my religion, i don't need a lecture from u sister asiya. |
Actually to distinguish ourselves, we are enjoined to treat others how we wish to be treated...
we are all enjoined to remind each other saleem, sometimes the way you rant, insult and 'flame' I doubt you spend enough time reminding yourself. Earning the pleasure of Allah, remaining patient...in case you had not noticed we are not being oppressed in our religion.
I have spent a great deal of time reading and learning about Islam and the Sahabah, they demonstrated sabr on a level and clung to Allah...they were sorely tested. They did battle not on their own account, but because the order was given..
salam |
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Ploppy
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Saleem wrote: | | no the sahabas fought a full battle a war, look at badr, battle of trenches, stop twistin islam asiya, if u don't have correct knowledge, full fledged battles took place, its like your lickin ass of these ppl, where has your honour and pride gone, i have my way of doing thngs, u have yours, u will never be accepted if your tryin to lick ass. |
I wasnt aware you could make calls for God, my friend.
Are you saying Islam isnt the "religion of peace" then? |
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Asiya
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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Allah warns us about judging the faith in each others hearts, if you don't accept me as a muslim...acquaint yourself with the hadiths regarding this. I seek the acceptance of Allah. Not man
Salam alaikom wa Rachman t'ullah wa Burrahktoh
and brother, a gentle reminder... when you are greeted by a Muslim...return the like thereof or better. I notice you never do, is that becaue of what you have decided about me? I do not twist Islam, I think of Islam as a whole...not to be divided. |
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Ploppy
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Not wanting to be rude, but it is Muslims like him that give your religion a bad name. |
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Saleem
Joined: 13 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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| well that was a setup some ppl say, but those bombings were wrong and evil, im condemning british history has its caused so much problems n the world, i condemn 7/7 as well, but u got some asian guys out their who r confused, but this government and police force, armed forces has hardly helped the situation, going to war with iraq and afghanistan was the biggest mistake the coalition made, i like sister asiya, but i want to ask her if she was gangraped by us army would she like that the muslims sit back and not prevent it from happening, it can be prevented if we r united and concerned about the affairs of our brothers and sisters, but we only deal with matters concerning the spirit(soul) and do nothin to help our ppl who r suffering so badly around the world, bcos of western colonialism and outside interference, 180 countries have ganged up on poor iraq and our muslim leaders do nothin to help the poor iraqis, even if it is through peaceful methods, like giving aid, shelter for the women, we to concerned about ourselves and how we sleep at night, but got to agree with ploppy on this one, violence is never the answer, if only bush and blair realised this and they put their weapons down to, the world would be a better place. |
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Ploppy
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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Sam, I notice that you didnt "group" together before and do anything about the killings that were internal.
Why is it different if it is US caused? |
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Saleem
Joined: 13 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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| yes ok asiya but u seem to be dealin with your own situation, which is good, but other have a totally crap situation, and whilst their r white ppl who realise others in third world countries r humans also, and do feel sorry for the plight of afghanis and iraqis, their r others who turn a blind eye to it, as if the problem doesn't exist, when in fact the coalition caused this problem, they see those in the third world as beneath them, or less human, like a white jewish guy once said to me that the ppl in afghanistan r backwards, thats their opinion of those less fortunate than them, they think bcos they r caucasian british they better than the rest of the human race. |
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Asiya
Joined: 07 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Saleem wrote: | | well that was a setup some ppl say, but those bombings were wrong and evil, im condemning british history has its caused so much problems n the world, i condemn 7/7 as well, but u got some asian guys out their who r confused, but this government and police force, armed forces has hardly helped the situation, going to war with iraq and afghanistan was the biggest mistake the coalition made, i like sister asiya, but i want to ask her if she was gangraped by us army would she like that the muslims sit back and not prevent it from happening, it can be prevented if we r united and concerned about the affairs of our brothers and sisters, but we only deal with matters concerning the spirit(soul) and do nothin to help our ppl who r suffering so badly around the world, bcos of western colonialism and outside interference, 180 countries have ganged up on poor iraq and our muslim leaders do nothin to help the poor iraqis, even if it is through peaceful methods, like giving aid, shelter for the women, we to concerned about ourselves and how we sleep at night, but got to agree with ploppy on this one, violence is never the answer, if only bush and blair realised this and they put their weapons down to, the world would be a better place. |
Salam alaikom Saleem,
I feel heartbreak on a scale you cannot comprehend...and I do what I am able...yes the ummah need to unite, yes the truth has to be broadcast.. and I spend time doing what able, I do other things to. I also have personal experiences which I am not about to share here.
Brother, the way to actually unite the ummah is to challenge the Muslim leaders, how to though? Do you have any ideas?
Salam |
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MrsGrumpyGuts
Joined: 24 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Saleem wrote: | | yes ok asiya but u seem to be dealin with your own situation, which is good, but other have a totally crap situation, and whilst their r white ppl who realise others in third world countries r humans also, and do feel sorry for the plight of afghanis and iraqis, their r others who turn a blind eye to it, as if the problem doesn't exist, when in fact the coalition caused this problem, they see those in the third world as beneath them, or less human, like a white jewish guy once said to me that the ppl in afghanistan r backwards, thats their opinion of those less fortunate than them, they think bcos they r caucasian british they better than the rest of the human race. |
Put an end to your pitty-party!!
Stop blaming government!
Stop blaming your circumstances!
Stop blaming the people in your life!
You have only YOURSELF to blame for your failure.
It is the way you respond to certain situations that determines your a success! |
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Saleem
Joined: 13 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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| asiya, r u a white revert to islam? |
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Asiya
Joined: 07 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Saleem wrote: | | yes ok asiya but u seem to be dealin with your own situation, which is good, but other have a totally crap situation, and whilst their r white ppl who realise others in third world countries r humans also, and do feel sorry for the plight of afghanis and iraqis, their r others who turn a blind eye to it, as if the problem doesn't exist, when in fact the coalition caused this problem, they see those in the third world as beneath them, or less human, like a white jewish guy once said to me that the ppl in afghanistan r backwards, thats their opinion of those less fortunate than them, they think bcos they r caucasian british they better than the rest of the human race. |
Salam,
Brother, there are many white people who do a lot more than talk, there are 'white' based organisations who work tirelessly, and place themselves in harms way every day of their lives, their hearts are freed up from hate...and they should be recognised. I believe there are a majority of whites who distance themselves from the 'colonization' of the 'British Empire'... it was evil and has had lasting consequences. But we as Muslims also need to reflect inwardly. Look at the state of those countries supposedly under 'Muslim rule...do you recognise any justice or Islam in them?
We are the little people, and the same is true of the average white person you chat to.
Salam alaikom |
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Ploppy
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Saleem wrote: | | ... the coalition caused this problem ... |
No problem is ever created in isolation. That is a simplistic way to look at the world.
Do not the waring factions, all of whom are Islamic, have a responsibility to stop killing each other?
And, shall we do some looking back into the past to see where Muslim actions have resulted in things today?
And, why did you not group your fellow Muslims together then, and solve the problem that around then? Before the coalition became involved?
| Saleem wrote: | | ... they see those in the third world as beneath them, or less human, like a white jewish guy once said to me that the ppl in afghanistan r backwards, thats their opinion of those less fortunate than them, ... |
Why mention someones religion, unless you feel that it is relevant to the situation. Do you have an issue with Jewish people? And, are you not guilty of making assumptions about people? Who is behind the NGO like the Red Cross then that come from the "First World" to help? What about the aid that is given by Governments?
I think you are clutching at straws here, twisting things to justify your hate.
| Saleem wrote: | | ... they think bcos they r caucasian british they better than the rest of the human race. |
Says who? That is an opinion, it seems, that you have formed. Perhaps if you treated people better yourself, you might get treated better back. |
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Asiya
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Saleem wrote: | | asiya, r u a white revert to islam? |
Yes, Alhamdulillah I am. And as such, I now have seen first hand the marked difference between the former and latter treatment of myself by others. Its in the very least....eye opening and interesting. Also, what may surprise you more is what my husband and I wish to psend our future doing...in Pakistan...InshAllah |
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Ploppy
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Saleem wrote: | | ... i like sister asiya, but i want to ask her if she was gangraped by us army would she like that the muslims sit back and not prevent it from happening ... |
In some countries, in your so called "third-world", Islamic and not, she would then be killed by her family, would she not?
Because she had been raped? |
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Asiya
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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To be fair Ploppy, I have seen from many people sometimes a complete 'turn around' of opinion of me based upon being with an 'Asian'. I have also seen how subtle differences in 'treatment' occur with some folk, and the blatant hostility of others...some who I would never have expected it from. The 'benign tolerant face' of some people is removed when dealing with some sections of society...even by people who profess not to have a racist bone in their body!
But, I am fortunate, my Nanna God rest her soul, refused to judge a person by their colour, she always maintained that the heart matters the most, and she'd rather have an 'Asain' neighbour who was a good family, than a white family who were selfish.
She was a gem and a lady. I miss her  |
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metalchix
Joined: 21 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Saleem wrote: | | i know but this metalchix lady really got on my nerves, im sorry if any offence was caused by me gettin hot under the collar, this should be an intellectual debate |
Saleem, you really need to get your facts straight before shooting off:
I am metal, not goth. Those are two completely different genres.
I am not British, so this is not my country. I am entited to live here and I pay taxes just like everyone else. When you say "u owe me", I'm afraid I don't owe you fuck all. You're barking up with wrong tree.
But rather than spew off unarticulated and uneducated judgements you should try putting that energy into something positive for your cause. No, I don't mean go blowing shit up coz you are so hard done by. So far, you only seem to be living up to the very stereotypes that you feel victimised by.
As far as this being an "intellectual debate", you're having a laugh right? |
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Ploppy
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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As, can I ask a quick question? Sal is saying in the friends section that a non-muslim man going out with a muslim woman is wrong. That she is living in sin, and that she must only go out with Muslims.
Is this correct? |
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Asiya
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Ploppy wrote: | As, can I ask a quick question? Sal is saying in the friends section that a non-muslim man going out with a muslim woman is wrong. That she is living in sin, and that she must only go out with Muslims.
Is this correct? |
Actually it is more defined than that...there is no such thing as 'dating' in the western context of the word... A muslim woman and man (but somehow that tends to get ignored) can only marry a muslim. That is to unify and preserve the faith. However, the man and woman who is not Muslim may 'embrace' Islam and marry. So a former non-muslim may marry a muslim man or woman. Culture often denies women the right to do so however.
But it happens!  |
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Saleem
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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| yes but your a punk a freak of society, metalchix, u behave in a strange and puzzlin manner, i've seen rock'n'roll weirdos, they cut their hair, color it red and look totally gross and not human to me, must have had a bad upbringing or somethin. |
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Ploppy
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Saleem wrote: | | ... look totally gross and not human to me ... |
Am I wrong, but where you not having a bitch that people from the Uk make judgements about the third-world just before?
Do you even realise the way your mind works is illogical!?  |
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Saleem
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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| remember u stereotyped me as a suicide bomber, so thats y i stereotyped u metalchix, asian families have a bad view of white ppl as well, but we need to get along, not carry on with hatred, what about all the white gals who r pregnant at 14 ad 15 on drugs living in a council flat with their black or mixed raced boyfriend, what asian person would want to have anything to do with that culture, drug abuse and pedophilia is on the rise in your community, but if i didn't talk or be good to any white ppl that would stoop me down to your level and make me like u, but i know better than that. |
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Ploppy
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Saleem wrote: | | remember u stereotyped me as a suicide bomber, so thats y i stereotyped u metalchix, asian families have a bad view of white ppl as well, but we need to get along, not carry on with hatred, what about all the white gals who r pregnant at 14 ad 15 on drugs living in a council flat with their black or mixed raced boyfriend, what asian person would want to have anything to do with that culture, drug abuse and pedophilia is on the rise in your community, but if i didn't talk or be good to any white ppl that would stoop me down to your level and make me like u, but i know better than that. |
and Iran is providing a brilliant example of what an Islamic state is like, huh?
I guess the 14 year olds there would be stoned, no council house for them!
Even if they were raped - bad luck for them, huh? But the rapist is fine. Hmmm. |
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Saleem
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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| i know but the younger generation can make a change, but if the young ppl like metalchix is racist towards asian, then theirs no hope, asiya married a oops!, but i bet the rest of the council house pregnant at 15 white galz think that oops! guys smell of curry and r backwards, thats your opinion of us, then its no wonder i also have a bad opinion of your culture, show me somethin positive. |
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metalchix
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Saleem wrote: | | remember u stereotyped me as a suicide bomber, so thats y i stereotyped u metalchix, asian families have a bad view of white ppl as well, but we need to get along, not carry on with hatred, what about all the white gals who r pregnant at 14 ad 15 on drugs living in a council flat with their black or mixed raced boyfriend, what asian person would want to have anything to do with that culture, drug abuse and pedophilia is on the rise in your community, but if i didn't talk or be good to any white ppl that would stoop me down to your level and make me like u, but i know better than that. |
You are right, we do need to get along. But you need to chill the fuck out!
Try seeing things from another point of veiw rather than your own side. I agree that white 14-15 year old getting pregnant is embarrasing to this society. But we all live within the same border. Other atrocious things happen within your community that white people find hard to accept but it still happens on this soil.
You seem to be getting off topic though. I thought this post was supposed to be about Eastern Eurpopens who should get the fuck out of "your" country. You cry about racist behaviour towards yourself and then you make it sound like people who are in a mixed race relationship are lower than you.
Yes, but then you claim to know better than that. |
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