[isay2u]

I am try to gather information on Kingdom Investments International Unlimited. I have emailed the company requesting information on their validity but got no response. I am of the opinion that they prey on retired folks requesting that they lend the company money to invest in foreign currency and they will get a minimum of 4.6+ percent guaranteed monthly. Kingdom Investments International Unlimited clams that the last eight months they were able to pay their lenders up to eleven percent.

If any one have any information on this company plese email me at isay2u@gmail.com. Thank you.

David

[montyzuma]

googling it throws up some websites offshore in panama you would have to be crazy, prob a ponzi scheme. till they do a runner

http://kiuionline.com/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabindex=2&tabid=4

no contact details 1/2 the website doesnt work scam

religion last refuge of the scoundrel

there terms and conditions are a licence to kill for them

[reculver]

they have MSN, SKYPE, and two email... and so on.... WHOOPIDY FUCKING DO AND THEY CANT SPELL ORDAINED EITHER ,THIS THIS COMPANY IS SO FUCKING INTERNATIONAL ,AND THEY OFFER SUCH GREAT INTEREST RATES ON MONEY YOU INVEST IN THEIR COMPANY THEY HAVE TO RESORT TO OFFERING THEIR SERVICES ON A FACE TO FACE TRADING SITE

[Realist]

If it is not a scam then it appears to be doing a very good impersonation. As for being a Christian organisation, it is a timely reminder that only this week someone was jailed for defrauding his congregation of millions.

Rather than waste time reading their website I would suggest that any potential investor’s time would be far better spent learning about common scams via places like Fraud Watchers (http://www.fraudwatchers.org/forums/)

If you want a decent return and are UK based I would suggest that you take out a Mini ISA which will give up to 6.5% guaranteed for a year with virtually no risk. If you have more than £3000 to invest there are several online accounts which will give above 6% returns, but you will have to pay basic rate tax unless you are exempt. You could invest in equities etc., but that would take a brave / foolish person at the moment.

Don’t you also have to be FSA regulated to sell or promote financial products in the UK?

[montyzuma]

Thank you kiuionline , for confirming it to be a Scam.

Religon, the last refuge of scoundrels

[silverrizla]

kiui, this IS a scam, and you are some guyanan mug that preys on vulnerable people, stop your bullshit and go back to western union.

I am a fully qualified network technician..... and i ........ know how to ........string a sentence together............without the need for dots in between, dumb arse prick. carry on preaching, you think because you are testifying on a forum that people will believe you? you r4eally are thick son, if i was you I'd give up the scamming game mate,and the technician (BS) job.

[montyzuma]

Joel D. Warner [Guyana, S. A.] Finance Consultant Ins. Agent, Sys. Engineer... University -Guyana.

crammed all that into his 18years amazing


scammy scam scam scam

didnt your god say. it is easier for a camel to pass throught the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven ????

move your lies elsewhere before you get kicked off the board

every time you mention god, you lose face.

you are dealing with much older and wiser people go away

[Realist]

When I went to www.kiuionline.com my browser gave the following warning which I was happy to heed:

“There is a problem with this website's security certificate.
The security certificate presented by this website was not issued by a trusted certificate authority.
Security certificate problems may indicate an attempt to fool you or intercept any data you send to the server.
We recommend that you close this webpage and do not continue to this website. “

If you search for KIUI on the web you will find several prominent links such as : http://www.sunheraldja.com/article/show/203, http://www.jamaicagleaner.com/gleaner/20071202/lead/lead2.html, and
http://www.world-check.com/articles/2007/12/02/alert-hi-yield-unregyulatd-jamaican-investment-sch/ all of which warn that investing in informal investment schemes (IIS) such as KIUI carries a high risk. These warning do not state that such scheme are scams, and I would suspect that if the Jamaican government had hard evidence that they were action would be taken to close them down. Instead the warnings point out that IISs promising high returns are not covered by any official compensation scheme and may be attractive to money launderers. The latter concern is naturally common to all financial institutions as anyone working in finance in the UK will know as they will have had to undergo money laundering awareness training at the very least.

While I hesitate to say that such schemes are definitely scams, it appears from kiuionline’s postings that this scheme at least shares several traits with previous pyramid / ponzi scams. In particular, high returns, sold via seminars, apparently invested in complex financial arrangements, easy money for no real work. It is also worth remembering that the majority of people involved in such schemes honestly believe them to be genuine. As such they make ideal sales staff as they really do think they are helping other people. Only the ones at the centre of the scheme know the real truth which is revealed when the supply of new money fails to keep up with the payments necessary to keep previous investors happy.

Joel Warner, if that really is your name, I think it is true to say that as we grow older we trade enthusiasm for experience. Although others may have expressed it in rather harsh terms, I think the collected experience of forum members is that schemes such as KIUI are doomed to collapse taking the majority of investors money with them. In the much quoted words “It is too good to be true, and is therefore not”. If you have any invested, I strongly suggest that you withdraw your money before this judgement day. In fact it would be interesting to see just how easy it would be to get money back out.

Ironically, currently one of the most prominent web search links on KIUI is to this thread. For that reason alone I would request that this thread is not removed to help others form a balanced opinion.

[montyzuma]

If you search for HYIP high yield investment programs you will find links to dozens, the mugs "investing" in them know them to be ponzi schemes, even if they dont know the name, forums are full of which one is still paying out. as you say realist, people who get sucked into such schemes (like MLM) are desparately keen on such systems usually because they have a huge investment in them and wish for them to suceed.

[YENI]

Hello... This is the first time I get into this site to post an opinion. I have to say that nothing in life is a for sure thing. My uncle started investing with KIUI for about a year now and I have to say that his money has more than doubled in that short period of time. He is the type of man that has always invested money on Savings Bonds, 401Ks, CDs you name it but he has never doubled his money as fast as with KIUI so he got in contact with us to tell us about this great opportunity to invest in the International Stock Market. The funny thing about it is that they were having their meets a few houses down from where he lives for years and he never knew about it until someone asked him to go to one. My uncle is financially free but I have to tell you that everybody at that meeting had REAL MONEY, he daid. He met a lot of people that have been investing with KIUI for years and are millionaires. So my mother just started investing right this month.
I had never heard of it but what I saw at the moment was interesting. He faxed information about the company which explained that their primary banks are in Panama, Jamaica and other countries that I dont remember right now. I WAS ABLE TO PULL INFORMATION online about this company, It's kindda weird that I can't right now. I can also tell you that they work with major banks like JP Morgan (Chase Manhattan Bank), Citibank, Credit Corp. Bank and others.
My point is that in life we loose so much money just buying cigarettes, or alcohol and even in un-necessary things like clothes or shoes that you will probably use five times in one year. Why not take a chance on an investment that if its not a SCAM, will change your life forever, and if it is a scam, then it will be the same as the downpayment you have to pay when you buy a car because your credit is not that great so you are really loosing that money; and on top of that, if it gets REPO, THEN IS A BIGGER LOSS. So if you start with $1000K, and they are promising you to give you back 4.5+% back in interest, WHAT ARE YOU REALLY LOOSING?
I'm only 24 and instead of criticizing everything, I'm trying to be financially free by the time I get out of Law School in a few years and still be able to afford the things I need and want.
Think of it as that MontyZuma before you really make an *** out of yourself and loose out on a good opportunity.

[Realist]

Would that be the same International Stock market undergoing such recent turmoil and in which even established companies such as Bear Stearn and Northern Rock with massive resources have failed? Of course you could believe that an offshore outfit may have discovered the financial equivalent of a golden egg laying goose, but personally I suspect that there is a more obvious answer.

[Dirty Mom]

[montyzuma]

Unfortunately some other mod has deleted kuionline's posts which has knocked a bit of blather and info from the heart of this post.

Dirty Mom Unless Yeni is worng with his figures his imaginary Uncle deposited $100k therefore a miilion bucks with this outfit.

Yeni,
At the start of your post he has doubled his money and by the end its 4.5%. which is it. btw i think you are a troll

I suggest you google Ponzi scheme.

Re your great idea if I deposit say $1000 and get back 4.5% for the first few months, what am I really loosing? possibly the rest of my $1000, you idiot. When your ponzi scheme folds

Yeni, the concensus of opinion would appear to be, the only one making an ass of himself is you.


I found his deleted post copied below


Hello for those of you who were told about KIUI... its not a SCAM... what ever made you say so... Yes there are SCAM... tons of them but this CHRISTIAN MISSIONARY KINGDOM Financing Company... Is not a SCAm....

I am Joel D. Warner, and my Church has been a part of this company for many months now... (1 yr). And it is TRUE.... we've not received less than 4.167% in any month ...actually the returns are MUCH higher.... the system used is Currency Trading.... i would to go to http://www.forex.com and read about what currency trading is.... and why the banks are as rich as they are... its a complex.....and complicated system.... so Professionals with YEARS... of financial experience... and marketing analyst skills.....

All traits.. of KIUI are real...... For "montyzuma" and "isay2u" PLEASE read.... more on KIUI before Jumping to conclusions and Jeopardizing this GENUINE CHRISTIAN FINANCIAL ---(KINGDOM ECONOMIC) OFFSHORE COMPANY......
please do your research....

This company may not have replied to "montyzuma" for some natural of specific reason... (by this time KIUI was mainly doing business OFFLINE.... through FACE to FACE referral... and so on... its not a scam...

KIUI mainly does their business OFFLINE... simply because of this SCAM " BLAMING" situation... EVERY COMPANY is NOW being labeled a SCAM.....
so say that ((% of the Companies online are SCAMS.... yeh right......ALOT yes but are you certain 99%....

So Why ICANN who is the Universal Domain Creator stop this...???
Do your research.....well

Here are some tips:

(1) Search the site's WHOIS information to see where it was registered and so on.
(2) Do a GOOGLE MAP SEARCH to find location if possible..
(4) browse for the company's CEO... if listed
(5) Enter the Phone numbers of the company in the URL.. Address box to browse for ownership.... and address....
(6) Search for the Company's Registered Liscense Code... and Area.
(7) CALL company.... browse company.... email company...


KIUI is a RAPID growing COMPANY so expect to receive mail with a WEEK!!! not a day....!!!

they have MSN, SKYPE, and two email... and so on.... you can REACH the CEOP himself...and so on... I've done it... I went to one of his Powerpoint presentations.....

REMEMBER KIUI was not functioning online... BUT OFFLINE for 3-4 yrs now... and by then have only experienced a hand full (just a few) minimal losses the company is RICH with EXPERTISE ...

IT a CHRISTIAN COMPANY... if they had suspicion of you you would not have been contacted... or may have encountered some difficulty... I had my times of waiting buty a VERY reputably Madam referred my father (Rev. D. Warner -- Minister of Religion) to the system... and from them... things have CHANGED.....

For those who "THINK" they know about Offshore banking and Investing.... and say that its not GOOD... and so on.. maybe its because you have no real experience in the Financial Sector.....PLEASE do your research WELL... and don't just search for CONS.... but PROS...of the Company... or Topic of research...

This is a Emil sent to a MSN contact through my dad's account:


Rev. David Warner said:
so as a microsoft certified technician and Computer sc. majore among all other credentials... I would advise you to take the first step... and get Mozilla Firefox 2
roger said:
hello partner.
roger said:
why did you say i need firefox2?

Rev. David Warner says:
Hi I'm busy right now but....i have something to talk to you about.... for the mean while use this Username and Password to login to this site....http://www.kiuionline.com/ this email and password will provide limited access but enough for you the get full information .....PLEASE NOTE... this site is stil in Beta Stage...its a christian Currency Trading Company...I chat more on this...
Rev. David Warner says:
USE this: David806
Rev. David Warner says:
for both Username and Password...: David806
Rev. David Warner says:
Our Local Church as well as 500 others... Churches and Individuals are enjoying its benefits...... My Church Became a Member Last Yr. April...... and never received less than 4.167% on our investment per month...infact i proud to say that we usually enjoy FAR Higher Returns....I'm trying to be a Part of this business investment Personally... so I am working very hard... PLEASE READ... the websit
Rev. David Warner says:
I am Currently Studying for an Advance Math Calculus... test..... for Monday so I am Busy at the moment but... can exchange a few words....""" A FEW"""" right....i don't want to fail my test now...K so GO HERE: http://www.kiuionline.com
Rev. David Warner says:
and inthe upper left hand side use this
Rev. David Warner says:
Username: David806
Rev. David Warner says:
Password (same as Username): David806:
roger says:
ok I am a litle busy right now I will read your message later. f d
Rev. David Warner says:
Because of the TONS of scams arround this system is done MANUALLY... yes no website... based.... we referr FACE to FACE...
Rev. David Warner says:
FROM integrity....
Rev. David Warner says:
ITS A CHRISTIAN COMPANY....
Rev. David Warner says:
Its Caribbean Based... but have most of its investors in USA.....Legal Actions
Rev. David Warner says:
will be taken if prospectivemembers, violate the terms and conditions of this company...
Rev. David Warner says:
We...are asking that this information be with-held from drug lords/traders, money launderers, identity theft or schemes, and all othere foreseen illegal alligations...The Highest Law...and Panalty will be enforced if terms are violated...Identification of members are strict and analysed ..in debth to prevent such...
Rev. David Warner says:
this company is presently.... under care of a Law Firm and all suspicious deeds will be...analysed...
Rev. David Warner says:
"all you have to do is be REAL and TRUE and so on..... because i don't think anyone would like to face a Law Firm... and Entire International Law Firm....."
Rev. David Warner says:

Rev. David Warner says:
the 4.167% is what is called the "Straight Line Interest Rate" ... also called the GURANTEED interest rate per month..... but as I mantioned earrlier it GROWS....
Rev. David Warner says:
THis is from their site at the bottom::
Rev. David Warner says:
Christian Company

KIUI and the companies with which it actively associates are all operated by Christians. KIUI clearly identifies the building of the Kingdom of God as the major reason for its existence.

KIUI therefore encourages its creditors to treat earnings from the company as representing blessings from God who gives us power to make wealth. Accordingly, KIUI recommends that its creditors
Rev. David Warner says:
Yep they do Ministry Funding ...and Ministers Financing.... Building the kingdom of God... for churches BUT available to individuals.... thus its account types Plan A --or Churches and Prganizations and... Plan B---for Individuals...
Rev. David Warner says:
Consider who you even THINK about telling..... about this info to... SERIOUSLY...... not scamps allowed.... KIUI (Kee- we) is Registered and is an OFFSHORE investment company...
Rev. David Warner says:
all of that is on its page....
Rev. David Warner says:
the CEO/Founder Dr. Gosfrey Mc. Allister ..... is a Guyanese ... his success are too many to talk about right now... but for a hint.....he is one of those icons you wish you be when you grow up.... with the name and ALOT of accreditations and over 26/36 yrs at Top Executive financial Levels... don't ever think about the word scam when you came here....never ever....
Rev. David Warner says:
and i say that on my life...testimony
Rev. David Warner says:
he is a Minister.... a man of God .... a very Serious Man of God...
Rev. David Warner says:
He served as Financial Consultant to the Armed Forces in Jamaica.... and tons more stuff....and i can go on adn on....but i would not... i have already said too much.... ITS on the page,,,, more info. will be added... this Company was there for 3-4 yrs now..... and only had a few samll losses remember he (the CEO) was in the Financail Sector for 26/36 yrs and more....he comes to guyana and Keep
Rev. David Warner says:
Powerpoint presentations.....to Churches and Investor Groups... and referred Groups...
Rev. David Warner says:
he does like a little Financial Preaching....
Rev. David Warner says:
as you can call it....
Rev. David Warner says:
He teaches Economics...
Rev. David Warner says:
as called Kingdom Economics....he shows referrences to the Holy Bible.. to show you where we stand as to the acquiring of wealth.... its a RICH RICH RICH presentation...
Rev. David Warner says:
think of your self sitting listening to a CEO, Government Consultant,,,Insurance "Million Dollar round Table( 6 yrs in succession", Top Tost Marster Presidential/Executive Award for breaking a 4 yr record in 1 yr less onday... and breaking his own records 6 -7 yrs in succession....
Rev. David Warner says:
He is on top.... browse his name...... browse all the info... given here see if ya find anything... remember this site stuff is new it was OFFLINE for 3 yrs now......
Rev. David Warner says:
browse his name.... Dr. Godfrey E. Mc. Allister
Rev. David Warner says:
Ok i just browsed it browsed it: Dr. Godfrey E. Mc. Allister
Rev. David Warner says:
look at the FOURTH (4)result tell me what do you see.... the company is a Jamaican Company but was registered in panama and so on... read all of this on the site....
Rev. David Warner says:
so the company OPffshore...its banks are offshore... the Largest Investors.... Wachovia, JP Morgan Chase......
Rev. David Warner says:
Its total REAL...
Rev. David Warner says:
Oh by the way the results i found was from Google ....K and its the most popular Engine online...

You have just sent a nudge.

Rev. David Warner says:
Jamaica - Insurance Brokers
McAllister Godfrey E 41C H W T Road (5), , Jamaica - (876) 929-6224 McAllister Godfrey E 40 Duke Street, , Jamaica - (876) 967-7900 ...
Rev. David Warner says:
thats from Google... Search result #4




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[montyzuma]

I dont want to beat on about this obvious scam but

http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:n8QnOYeaj2wJ:9-planetreviews
.blogspot.com/2007/12/avoid-following-known-scams.
html+KIUI+scam&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=uk

gives

Key Internet Opportunities

I publish only the best of the best reviews done by js of 9PlanetReviews.com. Simple as that. A real straight shooter type of guy!
Sunday, December 2, 2007
Avoid the following known scams


Here is a very short list of scams to avoid. Notice Swiss Cash is in there. For months I railed against them, but most folks did not listen. And lost. Big.

* Caribbean Real Estate Investment Fund (CAREIF)
* World Wise Partners Limited
* A3 Union
* Swiss Cash
* Higgins Warner Music and Entertainment
* MayDaisy E-Partner Plan Club
* F1 Investments/F1 Holdings
* Wealth Builder and Associates
* Right Vision E-Partners Private Members Club
* Strategical Alliance Investment Company
* SGL Holdings
* Partner Financials
* Kingdom Investments Unlimited International[b] (KIUI)[/b]



and another

http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:heFEqkMpizoJ:
www.digitalmoneyworld.com/hyip-investors-may-face-money-
laundering-charges
/+KIUI+scam&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=uk


HYIP Investors May Face Money Laundering Charges

by Mark on December 2nd, 2007

Gareth Manning from the Jamaican Gleaner is reporting information from an interview with attorney-at-law and University of the West Indies lecturer, Shirley-Ann Eaton.

HYIP ‘investors’ now stand to lose big as government laws and regulations change to target HYIPs and online ‘investments’. Gareth Manning did a recent interview with Shirley-Ann Eaton who is a former secretary of the Jamaica Bankers’ Association. Eaton says that money ‘invested’ with these type of schemes (A3union was included) CANNOT be returned by the court system in Jamaica. She points out, this is because the law does not cover schemes offering excessive interest on money loaned. The recovery provision only covers vehicles that carry a rate of 40% or less per year. The ridiculously high rates like 133% in 30 days is NOT covered by Jamaican law.

Furthermore, participants in the HYIP can ALSO FIND THEMSELVES IN PRISON if the schemes are found to be engaged in any sort of money laundering. Because these schemes are unregulated and high yielding, they do not operate within the normal regulated banking and securities system which makes them a desirable vessel for money launderers.

“I don’t know of anywhere in the world where anybody is getting a return of 120 per cent per annum on any kind of investment,” Eaton argues. “What if, willfully or inadvertently, these schemes contain proceeds of crime? What if money being given to them actually is criminal proceeds?”

Under the recently enforced Proceeds of Crime (Money Laundering Prevention) Regulations in Jamaica, any person can be found to have committed an offence under the act if that person knows or believes or even has reasonable grounds for knowing or believing that those handling their funds are engaged in laundering. If your HYIP is not registered with the proper securities and tax related authorities and is not reporting your tax positions on a gain or loss, that is reasonable grounds to believe.

If convicted before a resident magistrate, that person could be ordered to pay a fine not exceeding $1 million or be sentenced to a term not exceeding one year or to both a fine and imprisonment. If indicted before a Circuit Court, however, that person could face imprisonment of up to 10 years and a fine. In addition to prison terms for laundering, investors could face severe pressure from tax authorities. as under law they should be filing their tax returns.

In Jamaica the tax authority is investigating the use of proceeds from these ‘investments’.

Tax Administration Department spokesperson Meris Haughton, while unwilling to disclose the approach being taken to recover the billions owed to it in income tax by these investors, noted that “all annual sums invested are taxable and we would not want to disclose exactly how we will recover those taxes”.

The Jamaican Financial Commission (FSC), there are over 20 “extremely high-yielding unregistered investment schemes operating in Jamaica”. Here is their published list.

* Caribbean Real Estate Investment Fund (CAREIF)
* World Wise Partners Limited
* A3 Union
* Swiss Cash
* Higgins Warner Music and Entertainment
* MayDaisy E-Partner Plan Club
* F1 Investments/F1 Holdings
* Wealth Builder and Associates
* Right Vision E-Partners Private Members Club
* Strategical Alliance Investment Company
* SGL Holdings
* Partner Financials
* [b]Kingdom Investments Unlimited International (KIUI)[/b]

[montyzuma]

enough already

What Is An HYIP? Why Should You Avoid Them

by Mark on December 30th, 2006

Lured by the ‘guarantee’ of easy money, high returns and fast cash…HYIP Scams on the Internet are alive and well thanks to Google Adwords, Sponsored Links and digital currencies such as e-gold and e-bullion.

The abbreviated Wikipedia definition of an HYIP is, A High Yield Investment Program, or HYIP, is a purported investment program normally offered via the Internet. HYIPs typically accept investments of $500 or less while promising high returns.Adwords Example HYIP AdvertisementHYIPs are Ponzi schemes, in which new investors (usually unwittingly) provide the cash to pay a profit to existing investors, which they typically then withdraw leaving nothing to pay the new investor.

This approach allows the scam to continue as long as new investors are found and/or old investors leave their money in the scheme, known as compounding (because even higher profits are promised). HYIPs are frequently advertised in HYIP monitors (see below), spam emails, forums, mailing lists and Google AdWords. People are typically given a commission (for example, 9% of invested funds) when they provide a referral of a new customer.



HYIPs typically are not based in places such as the United States, western Europe, or Japan - which have strong enforcement against unregistered investment opportunities. Most HYIPs disclose little or no detail about the underlying management, location, or other aspects of how money is to be invested, and relatively little information (other than asserting that they do various types of trading on various stock and other exchanges) on how they actually generate the returns they purport. They are sometimes presented with some form of an emotional appeal, appeals for faith, and promises that they will help investors achieve financial freedom. The introduction of e-currencies has made it possible for HYIPs to operate on the internet and cross international boundaries, and to accept large numbers of small investments. HYIPs usually accept e-gold, e-bullion, INTGold (*now closed), and until Feburary 2006, StormPay.

ringing any bells yet.

[YENI]

I REALLY HATE IGNORANT ASS PEOPLE LIKE MONTYZUMA and DIRTY FUCKING MOM... YOU DONT GIVE A FLYING FUCK ABOUT ANYONE...
I dont appreciate you calling me an idiot but I will ignore it because you are probably one of those people who "don't do jack and don't let anyone else do ANYTHING EITHER" - you are probably broke, working a 9-5 which you may have to do so until you turn damn near 80 (IF RETIREMENT AGE KEEPS GOING UP); probably dont have anything in life and, everyone ignores you. No dreams, no aspirations, no girl (because you sound to be a man), no firends, no family that cares for you. I will do the same thing and ignore you too. (you are lucky I dont know you).

Enough of that... I'm pretty sure that everyone got my point and it is that If you think about it YOU WASTE/LOOSE A LOT MORE MONEY in your lifetime working to pay bills, buying lottery tickets and cigarettes, and cars (that you cannot afford). But if you do it and it works, WHAT ARE YOU REALLY LOOSING. I'm not telling you that you have to do it - Just saying that I've seen these papers and I don't think that Chase Manhattan Bank (a worldwide bank that owns Citizen Bank, Citifinancial, JP Morgan) would want to jeopardize their business that way. Now yes they are from offsure so if you dont trust it, then find somewhere where you can invest and have for the future. Times are nor getting easier and money doesnt buy happines but you can go long ways with it.
Honestly, I could care less if you do it or not. All I'm saying is EVERYONE WANTS TO KNOW THAT THEIR LOVED ONES WILL BE OK ONCE THEY ARE GONE. If something happens to me, I trying to make sure that my family will be ok. Can you say that for youself???

[montyzuma]

Hi Yeni,
Nice to see you back.

Yes, you are very perceptive I am a lonely sad poor individual and I am a bloke. Well done you. and I feel lucky, I don’t know you too. Im amazed how you can tell so much from some words on the net. You will go far.

I think you have very much made your point. What has the chase manhattan bank got to do with anything? Are you saying they invest with kuiu? If so please show some proof.

I can see investors queuing up to invest in kuiu after your logical and rational response.


YOUR QUOTE Why not take a chance on an investment that if its not a SCAM, will change your life forever

because we think it's a scam


After the rest of your drivel, Yes. I can. When I shuffle off this mortal coil my family will be extremely well provided for ( as they are at present, thanks for asking)

[YENI]

Yes Montyzuma I can show you proof that Chase Manhattan Bank, JpMorgan and other major banks are their biggest investors. And, I didn't mean to sound rude but its like everyone shuts down "Just because they said" and could probably pass a good opportunity. Give me your email if you dont mind and I will scann the papers I have in hand from my families shares and you will see that I'm not crazy.

Talk to you later.

[montyzuma]

no one is suggesting you are crazy, just possibly naive


Kingdom Investments Unlimited International google it.

These opinions are my own.

despite claims of forex trading etc etc it is very difficuly to see how kuiui makes it money to pay its investors every month without it being a ponzi scheme.

some warnings against the proliferation of unregulated high yield investment clubs are starting are appearing in the jamaican newspapers.
some are under investigation and I suspect its all going to end in tears.

The guy who seems to be behind it, despite a big puff fro him on their pages, he is this, that, and the next thing. goggling his name brings up little more than he has an insurance office.

their site is liberally sprinkled with references to god and christianity, this of course makes no difference to how ethical they are. ( big case in america recently about supposedly christian guys ripping off others in their church.

i look forward to seeing yeni's proof ( if he comes up with it ) as the document that kuiu give you on receipt of your cash isnt too impressive.

again from google another guy who says the are the greatest thing since sliced bread, well if he isnt a snake oil salesman will certainly fill in till one comes along

i'm too young and beautiful to be this cynical.

[montyzuma]

I emailed mr Snake oil about kuiu and his answer was to jump in with $1000, and a slight slag about how i am chicken. no explanation of what they do or whatever. i wonder if he is getting a backhander from them for whoever he introduces and a wee heads up before it all goes tits up.

for anyone who thinks these things dont go on
i remember a scheme in bulgaria which nearly brought down the govt

have a look at ponzi svhemes in wikipedia they are still goin on.

romanian one brought in 100's of millions

[Realist]

What no proof that all those major names are their main investors?

[montyzuma]

ponzi scheme on wiki brings up a very interesting read about some recent scams and how some of the big banks were taken in

they have similarities in that they have high interest rates, monthly pay-outs, its never specified where the money is getting invested ( foreign exchange is sometimes mentioned) and eventually they fall on their ass leaving loads out of pocket.



On June 27, 2007 former boy band mogul and notorious con artist Lou Pearlman was indicted by a grand jury on several counts of fraud which is turning out to be one of the largest and longest running United States Ponzi schemes ever. His scheme lasted for over 20 years. The final total damage may rest somewhere near $500 million dollars.[15] Pearlman's scam involved bilking investors out of their savings with a fraudulent savings and loans program claiming it to be FDIC insured though it was not. He also conned several banks out of millions of dollars in loans for projects he never started. He then used that money to pay back certain investors and continue his Ponzi scheme. On March 4, 2008, Pearlman agreed to plead guilty to charges of conspiracy, money laundering, and making false statements during a bankruptcy proceeding, and to testify for the prosecution of several accomplices, according to law enforcement officials. On May 21, 2008, Pearlman was sentenced to 300 months in jail with the stipulation that he could cut one month off his sentence for every $1 million dollars he paid his investors back

[YENI]

hello... i sent your reply back. Its interesting to know about all these schemes. It definitely changes your view of things.

[montyzuma]

http://www.mlmwatchdog.com/Pyramids_High_Yield_Investments.html

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Are investment clubs really Ponzi schemes?

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heres an interesting one

http://jamaicainvestmentwatch.com/?p=107
may daisy

starts by the author on dec 10 how shes signed up

lots of comments asking to eb refferred
note what legit compnay needs you to be refferred to put money in

by the time we get to date it has all come unstuck

cracking quote from it

"I would rather not hear anything from the Naysayers, as dem want man to keep money in d bank dem at 6% per mth."

so he would rather be scammed out of everything

[montyzuma]

Yeni check this out

does it seem familiar

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-yield_investment_program

A High-Yield Investment Program (HYIP) is a type of scam. At one time, it was used to refer to an investment program which may have offered a high return on investment. The term "HYIP" was abused by the operators of scams to camouflage their scams as legitimate investments. Due to this overuse by the operators, HYIP has become synonymous with scam or Ponzi scheme. The usage of the term has evolved to refer to a kind of Ponzi scheme that recruits "investors" through the Internet.

HYIP operators generally set up a website offering an "investement program" with returns as high as 45% per month or 6% a day that discloses little or no detail about the underlying management, location, or other aspects of how money is to be invested because no money is invested. They often use vague explanations, asserting little more than that they do different types of trading on various stock markets or exchanges to generate the returns they purport. The SEC has said the following on the matter: "These fraudulent schemes involve the purported issuance, trading, or use of so-called 'prime' bank, 'prime' European bank or 'prime' world bank financial instruments, or other 'high yield investment programs.' ('HYIP's) The fraud artists... seek to mislead investors by suggesting that well regarded and financially sound institutions participate in these bogus programs."[1]

Some investigators believe that the majority of HYIPs are Ponzi schemes, in which new participants provide the cash to pay a profit into existing investors' accounts. However, as there are no formal statistics available about the HYIP sector, much of the material in this article is based on anecdote and conjecture.

HYIPs are able to succeed in collecting large sums of money for the operators because the initial payoff to first and second round participants helps the scam to continue spreading by word of mouth as long as new participants are found and/or old participants leave their money in the scheme in hopes of gaining interest on their principal payment. Participants are usually presented some form of an appeal to emotion or faith that the HYIP will help them achieve quick financial freedom.[2] HYIPs may also mirror Pyramid Schemes by offering current investors incentive commissions, for example 9% of current investment, to recruit new investors.


rationalization and denial can often be seen on many HYIP forums