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the beak
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| montyzuma wrote: | Beak,
So tell us more our you hyrogen from water device.
did you invent it yourself? |
no mine is based on a stanley meyer version, which splits water into hydrogen using a high voltage pulse system at very low current at a few microamperes.
no storage or pressure tanks,an on demand system
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jcy3JbGjQwo
much more stuff on the www
this will give you an idea. |
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the beak
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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| weeowen wrote: | | the beak wrote: | | Granny Thacker wrote: | | the beak wrote: | | weeowen wrote: | Tehehe.
Some people need to go back to school and understand basic energy balances. |
lets hear your theory of energy balances weeowen |
If you are breaking water down to it's compent parts, the energy you'll gain by putting them back together again can only equal the energy it took to break it. Now, since energy comes in many forms, if you use electricity to break it up, and the burn the gasses to put it back again, you're going to lose some it heat. Unless you have a free source of energy (like solar power - hardly efficient to run a car), you're screwed.
Pretty simple really. |
your thinking is incorrect hydrogen splitters come in different forms most are wastefull and produce heat,mine doesnt, its a cold process when burnt produces water. i suggest you go back to school and learn a little science,after all my system works how much do you owe on electricty bills?
i owe nothing they owe me £300 at the moment. |
Interesting.
And your capitol costs?
Because, if as you imply, you've just found a way to "make" more efficient use of this, I presume the major power companies will be going this way in a few weeks. |
the cost at this time to make it, parts only £50  |
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the beak
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 5:07 pm Post subject: Re: Water instead of Fuel? Is this for real? |
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| StephanH wrote: | | Kayalana wrote: | It seems to good to be true?
Its basicly saying you can do this to your car then put water in instead of Fuel
Advice of whether I should buy this or not, I think it is legit but it seems to good to be true to put it one way, Advice?
Water Car |
Hi,
This is rubbish! They produce hydrogen through electrolysis but this process costs you energy from your battery (as a buffer) and your generator. This will in turn rather increase your fuel consumption. You cannot gain hydrogen for free unless using solar power.
Steph |
you should read up on zero unity,tesla a good example the father of ac mains which powers your household,are you going to say he was mad  |
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weeowen
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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Call me a cynic, but he doesn't appear to have any good independant press. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Meyer%27s_water_fuel_cell
Hahahahahahahaha!
He dies from some sort of blown blood vessal, and because his claims were rubbished in court, and never independantly verified, the conspiracy nuts claim the "Shaddow Govt" did it! Tehehehehehe! God love humans! 
http://www.need2know.eu/?p=410
Got a link on a spec so I can build one myself? After all, individual verification is the best way to show things work. |
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the beak
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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| weeowen wrote: | Call me a cynic, but he doesn't appear to have any good independant press.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Meyer%27s_water_fuel_cell
Hahahahahahahaha!
He dies from some sort of blown blood vessal, and because his claims were rubbished in court, and never independantly verified, the conspiracy nuts claim the "Shaddow Govt" did it! Tehehehehehe! God love humans!
http://www.need2know.eu/?p=410
Got a link on a spec so I can build one myself? After all, individual verification is the best way to show things work. |
as you are such a clever c-unt look it up yourself,you will need electronic knowledge as well as mechanical.
and im not interested in the nonsense about how or why he died.
my version based on his works that is all i need to know. |
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weeowen
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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| the beak wrote: | | weeowen wrote: | Call me a cynic, but he doesn't appear to have any good independant press.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Meyer%27s_water_fuel_cell
Hahahahahahahaha!
He dies from some sort of blown blood vessal, and because his claims were rubbished in court, and never independantly verified, the conspiracy nuts claim the "Shaddow Govt" did it! Tehehehehehe! God love humans!
http://www.need2know.eu/?p=410
Got a link on a spec so I can build one myself? After all, individual verification is the best way to show things work. |
as you are such a clever c-unt look it up yourself,you will need electronic knowledge as well as mechanical.
and im not interested in the nonsense about how or why he died.
my version based on his works that is all i need to know. |
He (and loads of his fan sites) claim it is incredible in it's simplicity. Sad they the ones I see seem to have a childs schematic on them, and nothing more.
I like your response to my questions.
a. "Hi, I am backing this incredible free-energy technology, based on perpetual motion".
b. "oh yeah, isn't that a violation of the laws of physics?"
a. "bah. what do those losers know. I just know it works"
b. "cool. let me build a model myself then, so I can see".
a. "Can't tell you how to do that. You'll have to figure it out yourself".
b. Builds model, nothing happens. "er, what's going on?"
a. "you've done it wrong. my unverifiable one works fine".
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etc.
Fancy selling me proof of God whilst you are at it?  |
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the beak
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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| weeowen wrote: | | the beak wrote: | | weeowen wrote: | Call me a cynic, but he doesn't appear to have any good independant press.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Meyer%27s_water_fuel_cell
Hahahahahahahaha!
He dies from some sort of blown blood vessal, and because his claims were rubbished in court, and never independantly verified, the conspiracy nuts claim the "Shaddow Govt" did it! Tehehehehehe! God love humans!
http://www.need2know.eu/?p=410
Got a link on a spec so I can build one myself? After all, individual verification is the best way to show things work. |
as you are such a clever c-unt look it up yourself,you will need electronic knowledge as well as mechanical.
and im not interested in the nonsense about how or why he died.
my version based on his works that is all i need to know. |
He (and loads of his fan sites) claim it is incredible in it's simplicity. Sad they the ones I see seem to have a childs schematic on them, and nothing more.
I like your response to my questions.
a. "Hi, I am backing this incredible free-energy technology, based on perpetual motion".
b. "oh yeah, isn't that a violation of the laws of physics?"
a. "bah. what do those losers know. I just know it works"
b. "cool. let me build a model myself then, so I can see".
a. "Can't tell you how to do that. You'll have to figure it out yourself".
b. Builds model, nothing happens. "er, what's going on?"
a. "you've done it wrong. my unverifiable one works fine".
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etc.
Fancy selling me proof of God whilst you are at it? |
no such thing as god,i dont actually mind if you dont believe my version works, this thread was continued for those that wanted more info, you carry on being a stupid twat if that pleases you.it will get you a long way in life |
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weeowen
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you.
So will being a sceptic. At least, keep me attached to my wallet better.
You're a smart enough person, so you should know that unsubstatiated opinions of fellow posters are not really "information". |
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montyzuma
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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not had the chance to check yet
but are you running your household elect from this and importing your excess to the grid
let me get this clear you are splitting water to hydrogen and oxygen and burning it to power a generator which runs your house????
You can have a £million from james randi, no probs at all. |
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the beak
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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| montyzuma wrote: | not had the chance to check yet
but are you running your household elect from this and importing your excess to the grid
let me get this clear you are splitting water to hydrogen and oxygen and burning it to power a generator which runs your house????
You can have a £million from james randi, no probs at all. |
not full power to house yet just part
the electronic design is mine though, as Meyers diagram had two bits missing. the tube design i may change to interleaved plates instead as it can be more compact |
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montyzuma
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| Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 8:20 am Post subject: |
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| what are you using to drive your genertor? |
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montyzuma
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| Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 8:51 am Post subject: |
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IN YOUR PREVIOUS POST YOU SAID
my system works how much do you owe on electricty bills?
i owe nothing they owe me £300 at the moment.
WHICH SURELY MEANS IT'S POWERING YOUR FULL HOUSE?
UNLESS YOU ARE TELLING PORKIES OF COURSE |
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the beak
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| Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 9:22 am Post subject: |
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| montyzuma wrote: | | what are you using to drive your genertor? |
its called an internal combustion engine,they are used in a variety of things like cars etc.
do you comprehend? |
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the beak
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| Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 9:38 am Post subject: |
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| montyzuma wrote: | IN YOUR PREVIOUS POST YOU SAID
my system works how much do you owe on electricty bills?
i owe nothing they owe me £300 at the moment.
WHICH SURELY MEANS IT'S POWERING YOUR FULL HOUSE?
UNLESS YOU ARE TELLING PORKIES OF COURSE |
the saving is over a period of a year,
why is it that people like you always have to scoff at alternative energy,
the unit i use is a prototype, the use of hydrogen is potentially dangerous in the wrong hands.
but i will consider putting the details on here when all safety aspect have been sorted.
and the details will be free to the sensible people that are interested.
i dont need to make vast sums of money.some will question why would i bother with gumtree. the answer to that is gumtree is a worldwid forum where i may reach others that can provide constructive input instead of constantly bitching and saying im telling porkies.
also i have two friends that are assisting but you wont see them on here.
try educating yourself read all of it not just the sarcastic comments made by the idiots on the www. |
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montyzuma
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| Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:23 am Post subject: |
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I love how some people on here make up their minds about others without the slightest idea.
I am interested because I'm an instrument/Electrical Engineer with a lot of experience in Oil/gas and petrochemical industires and ive also read about zero point energy, perpetual motion and various scams , frauds, blatent liars etc etc. did you follow the recent irish scandal.?
Please explain about people like me.
and continue to enlighten me
"you dont need to make vast sums of money"
thats what most of the posters on james randi's forum say
when asked to put up or shut up
good for you, im glad you are happy with your lot. |
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the beak
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| Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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| montyzuma wrote: | I love how some people on here make up their minds about others without the slightest idea.
I am interested because I'm an instrument/Electrical Engineer with a lot of experience in Oil/gas and petrochemical industires and ive also read about zero point energy, perpetual motion and various scams , frauds, blatent liars etc etc. did you follow the recent irish scandal.?
Please explain about people like me.
and continue to enlighten me
"you dont need to make vast sums of money"
thats what most of the posters on james randi's forum say
when asked to put up or shut up
good for you, im glad you are happy with your lot. |
well you may well be an instrument engineer but i would say not a very good one. people like you cant grasp the fact that some people in this world like to do things for the sake of the planet.
i am a qualified electrical/mechanical engineer and for a time a consultant to the chloride battery co.
on how to improve the life cycle of lead acid batterys.
you on the other hand need to remove your blinkers and use your mind.
rant over, you can think what you like and shit the rest. |
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montyzuma
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| Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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You may say what you like, What is your opinion on people who form opinions based on little or no evidence? Don't bother to answer.
It must help you in your experiements.
consultant to Chloride till they found you out perhaps?
have a wonderful life and i hope you save the planet. try saving your personality first. oops too late. just like your batteries........dead |
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the beak
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| Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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| montyzuma wrote: | You may say what you like, What is your opinion on people who form opinions based on little or no evidence? Don't bother to answer.
It must help you in your experiements.
consultant to Chloride till they found you out perhaps?
have a wonderful life and i hope you save the planet. try saving your personality first. oops too late. just like your batteries........dead |
one wonders how a rude and arrogant pig like you ever became a mod,but that sums up gumtree along with a bisexual swinger you make a good pair of prats, |
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montyzuma
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:08 am Post subject: |
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if you'll read over your posts, you might find a touch of pot / kettle going on.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and you have provided none, therefore you shouldnt be surprised if people are sceptical.
I tend to find those who lack proof resort to abuse.
you have stopped saying anything worth reading. bye |
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the beak
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| montyzuma wrote: | if you'll read over your posts, you might find a touch of pot / kettle going on.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and you have provided none, therefore you shouldnt be surprised if people are sceptical.
I tend to find those who lack proof resort to abuse.
you have stopped saying anything worth reading. bye |
if im the pot then you are the kettle |
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montyzuma
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 9:07 am Post subject: |
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As petrol prices rise, i suspect we may see more of the water to hydrogen kits.
my question would be, if they are so great, why arent they being fitted to cars as standard or at your local halfreds (no conspiracy theories please)
they do it for standard gas conversions after all.
Why are they always supplied as kits? could it be so the the supplier has an "out" ie its not working cos you put it together wrong or am i just cynical? |
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weeowen
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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| montyzuma wrote: | As petrol prices rise, i suspect we may see more of the water to hydrogen kits.
my question would be, if they are so great, why arent they being fitted to cars as standard or at your local halfreds (no conspiracy theories please)
they do it for standard gas conversions after all.
Why are they always supplied as kits? could it be so the the supplier has an "out" ie its not working cos you put it together wrong or am i just cynical? |
I was on a site the other day that has a multi-million pound project running to replace back-up generators, and instal these huge, bunded, fuel tansk and so on. Why are they doing this, if they could be setting up a much cheaper (and more "effiecient") water = power machine? I can't imagine they want to throw away cash, after all! |
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montyzuma
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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Well obviously
lizard masters/ zionist conspiricy/ wee green men
are holding the technology back
i mean it's obvious innit
i was taking to this bloke dahn the pub and he reckoned etc etc etc |
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weeowen
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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| montyzuma wrote: | Well obviously
lizard masters/ zionist conspiricy/ wee green men
are holding the technology back
i mean it's obvious innit
i was taking to this bloke dahn the pub and he reckoned etc etc etc |
No offense, but if they could spend £50 and buy the kit, and then reverse engineer it, the site guys would save a fortune. Sooo, since the "NWO/Lizard men" don't mind the car-based kit being sold, all they could do is either bribe or kill these engineers on site, otherwise, we'd see this stuff out there now. And given that these engineers stand to make a possible million pounds themselves in savings, the bribes would need to be pretty big. |
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montyzuma
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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| but do we have the technology to manufacture a jar that big? |
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