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porkpie
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Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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I am working for an agency in the public sector and have been treated like crap so many times its a joke, not just by this one but many others.
Why is it so hard to get a permanent job? Everywhere you go its just agency work. If you are not overly qualified its impossible.
Even when you do apply for permanent vacancies it takes the employer like two months just to get back to you. The application process is a joke, they almost want blood from you. Then you have to have at least two interviews. I mean, cant they just look at your cv, have one interview and then its done.
The employment laws in England are shameful |
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castlelgr

Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 60182 Location: southampton
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 9:28 am Post subject: |
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| porkpie wrote: | I am working for an agency in the public sector and have been treated like crap so many times its a joke, not just by this one but many others.
Why is it so hard to get a permanent job? Everywhere you go its just agency work. If you are not overly qualified its impossible.
Even when you do apply for permanent vacancies it takes the employer like two months just to get back to you. The application process is a joke, they almost want blood from you. Then you have to have at least two interviews. I mean, cant they just look at your cv, have one interview and then its done.
The employment laws in England are shameful | They want the best possible candidate and there are a lot of available people |
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michaelwinner

Joined: 15 Mar 2008 Posts: 113
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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Check out this female Recruitment Professional after a night on the town. She had been promoted to 'Team Manager' of an Engineering Division in a Recruitment Agency that afternoon and had obviously gotten over-excited about it all.......
Here's the link to the video! Make sure you watch it with the sound volume on!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pf4JAegtekI
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Lupy

Joined: 18 May 2009 Posts: 67
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Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 8:09 am Post subject: |
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What a complete pile of rubbish!
Anyone can find some drunk person asleep and add a few weird noises to it. I feel like I have just wasted 2 minutes of my precious time watching it!
Thanks Michael |
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montyzuma Community Moderator
Joined: 25 Jul 2007 Posts: 7532
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Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 8:14 am Post subject: |
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Anyone know some suitable agencies for oil jobs in the UK?
loads in aberdeen |
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castlelgr

Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 60182 Location: southampton
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Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 8:48 am Post subject: |
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| Aberdeen is the place to be for oil jobs, trying to help a diving engineer friend of mine and looks like Aberdeen is where he needs to go |
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michaelwinner

Joined: 15 Mar 2008 Posts: 113
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Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Lupy wrote: | What a complete pile of rubbish!
Anyone can find some drunk person asleep and add a few weird noises to it. I feel like I have just wasted 2 minutes of my precious time watching it!
Thanks Michael |
Glad you liked it Lupy! Here's another one...This time it's 2 fat retarded (typical?) Recruitment Professional's holidaying after a very busy 6 months 'placing' and hitting those sales targets! They enjoyed the evening discussing how best to utilise a candidates experience to secure maximum commission. Hope you enjoy it and your feedback would be much appreciated. PS. Hope one of them isn't you in the picture! .......Again - sound volume is a must!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aGVVKirDnI&feature=channel_page
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Lupy

Joined: 18 May 2009 Posts: 67
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Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 11:34 am Post subject: |
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I'm not going to waste my time responding to you Michael, you obviously have about at much maturity as a 10 year old!
Oh, and please do not use the word retarded, it is politically incorrect and offensive. |
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michaelwinner

Joined: 15 Mar 2008 Posts: 113
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Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Lupy wrote: | I'm not going to waste my time responding to you Michael, you obviously have about at much maturity as a 10 year old!
Oh, and please do not use the word retarded, it is politically incorrect and offensive. |
You sound a really fun character. However I suspect it must be due to Sunday night wine mixed with a 5.30am sales agent start this morning.
PS. I don't follow political correctness - nobody with a brain does. |
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mikejdavis
Joined: 22 Apr 2009 Posts: 33
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 7:07 pm Post subject: Recruitment Procedures, Policies and Systems |
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Candidate perspective
Black Swan of Recruitment (The Recession)
1. The event is a surprise.
2. The event has a major impact.
3. After the fact, the event is rationalized by hindsight, as if it had been expected.
Conclusion
Recruitment Agents conclude this was about lack of vacancies and candidate rejection after taking the above points into consideration.
Candidates widely disagree and confirm this was about sales agency transparency, systems, confidence, professionalism, chaotic mis-management, and the type of individual who becomes a recruitment consultant in this demeaning candidate exploitive industry. |
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mikejdavis
Joined: 22 Apr 2009 Posts: 33
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michaelwinner

Joined: 15 Mar 2008 Posts: 113
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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 10:09 am Post subject: Re: Sales Industry |
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Very fitting that they were handed the "award" by a fellow Comedian! Perhaps it was playing on the fact that the whole industry is nothing but a joke....hmmmm.
They transmit the wanna-footballer lifestyle of champagne, fast cars, cheap tarts, money money money and coke - and most certainly have the kind of character these types possess. |
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recruitment sucks
Joined: 17 Jun 2009 Posts: 1
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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:36 am Post subject: VENT |
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RECRUITERS ARE AS LOWLIFE AS TICKET INSPECTORS and BIG BROTHER ex contestants/wannabes
I'd rather give money to a street dweller than a recruitment agency, at least tramps are authentic.
In the last year looking for a job has been the single most demoralizing experience I have ever had. I am not alone.
It makes me wonder how these so called 'recuiting' people get employed themselves. Most can't spell, have no manners, and no morals.
CV UK - Thanks for sending me one of your registrants CV and job application- including her personal details and job salary (good job my line isn't identity theft). I think you meant to send it to your ignorant teenage colleague. And no thanks for your crap service all round. I imagine you were filing your nails, picking your nose or eating a big sloppy mac and fries whilst you listened to me reply to your turgid questions. 0/10
NET-A-PORTER - for such a high calibre profile, your recuitment team are rude, ignorant, and lazy. they promise to reveal the outcome of your interview, and GUESS WHAT they NEVER DO. 0/10
SEVEN recruitment - lazy and stupid 0/10
ELITE ASSOCIATES - consummate UNPROFESSIONALS
SPACE -NK
HABITAT
ZARA
HENNES
HOUSE OF FRASER
ESTEE LAUDER
ELEMIS knock knock ANYBODY THERE AT YOUR RECRUITMENT??
I mean why bother with requesting a speculative email if you NEVER NEVER NEVER reply to them?
HARRODS - great if you enjoy being tortured and scrutinized by morons (they call that an interview)
RECRUITMENT PER SE:
1. keen keen headlines: "apply apply apply"
2. =ignore ignore ignore
3. occasional replies from some teenager who mis-spells your name, tells you a huge big fat lie - "sorry I didnt reply to your earlier email I was having a crisis urm like should I have big mac and fries or um big mac and fries"
4. sorry there's just nothing in your line at the moment (except the fifteen jobs advertised)
Then there are the timewasters who recruit independently.
1. create a job spec which is impossible to fulfill
2. waste everyones time with pseudo interviews when really...
3. you've really got all your friends from your old job waiting to take the positions you just can't fill externally (b'cus no-one can fill the impossible spec you made up purely to cover your ass as by law you have to interview externally)
In short - the whole UK recruitment process is a farce.
Unfortunately during a time when candidates should have back-up and support they get a big fat zero and not even a formal rejection as form of closure. PEOPLE NEED FEEDBACK, don't be shy, its not your boyfriend you're dumping. Just say "No you didnt get the job". or "thanks for your application". There, that's not too hard is it. You could even send a generic email if it pains you to write it. Anything is better than being ignored by a robot IMHO and left to wonder forever more how you did.
There's nothing worse than being made redundant then having to pick up the pieces, and look for a new job with all these air heads at the helm. Caption reads: send your hopes and CV into the sea of nothingness: EXPECT 0/ZERO there's no life out there. Its not personal no, but its shish. I did get a job. BUT NOT THROUGH RECRUITMENT AGENTS - no surprise and no kerrching for you ha..bitter? hell yes, wouldn't you be having being treated like dog poo for no good reason.
It calls for a campaign to enforce proper conduct and government regulations within job recruitment. |
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michaelwinner

Joined: 15 Mar 2008 Posts: 113
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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:04 pm Post subject: Lupys Sis |
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I've had a private message from somebody to say that they actually saw this Recruitment Professional out with Lupy the night she slept roadside.
After she had got herself into such a drunken stuper caused by excitement of promotion to "Engineering Division Team Leader", she demolished a mixed kebab then filled her big trunks, before pitching down for an early night.
Just for the record, it's this Specialist....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pf4JAegtekI&feature=channel_page
All a result of a byzantine recruitment system...
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mikejdavis
Joined: 22 Apr 2009 Posts: 33
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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:51 pm Post subject: Low level Blue collar Workers |
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Sales agents are born out of the age on non-entity employment. We produce hardly anything meaningful as a country and what's left is often outsourced. Non-entity jobs such as the recruitment consultant is the net result in this telesales industry
Just fabricate your c.v like the majority to pass their unique check box pre screening interview process and least then you can be reasonably confident of a possible interview because you can bet those sales specialists don't know anything about the industry they are recruiting in.
Think of the waste and drain on NHS resources where agency staff are used.
pathetic - avoid sales agents if possible. |
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michaelwinner

Joined: 15 Mar 2008 Posts: 113
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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:08 pm Post subject: Re: Low level Blue collar Workers |
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Just fabricate your c.v like the majority to pass their unique check box pre screening interview process and least then you can be reasonably confident of a possible interview because you can bet those sales specialists don't know anything about the industry they are recruiting in.
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I agree with Mike here. When the whole process is such a disorganised pathetic mess and the 'candidate' is forced to deal with devious surreptitious ill-mannered unprofessional recruitment specialists, I would actively encourage applicants to act in the same manner. It's the old 'mirroring' behaviour theory - mirror other people and they will like you. Don't follow any rules to applying for jobs because behind the farcical glitter of recruitment websites is nothing more than a complete disorganised half-legal cash-hungry moral-less outfit out to make cash by any means. Thus you need to act stealth-like i.e. fire off your CV to ANY and EVERY email application address. In other words flood all recruitment sites and companies with your CV for any job - even if your a barrister and the advert is for a school dinner lady. Lie about lots of things - PARTICULARLY how long you've worked in previous jobs and lie about your job roles - BUT make sure you can cover your a*se when questioned (pre-planning).
Make up your own rules, trust nobody and put faith in nobody apart from yourself. The types of people you encounter in recruitment would make the average alley cat blush.
The whole industry is a big blag where 80% of what comes out of a consultants gob is lies.......you should naturally do the same thing back. |
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castlelgr

Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 60182 Location: southampton
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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Are all three of your logins going to talk to each other all the time? |
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michaelwinner

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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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| castlelgr wrote: | | Are all three of your logins going to talk to each other all the time? |
We're not the same person, just two disillusioned blokes.  |
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mikejdavis
Joined: 22 Apr 2009 Posts: 33
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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 1:31 pm Post subject: Sales Agency Advertising |
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Agency tricks
When agencies post vacancies on job-boards they will pay a set fee for the advertised duration. It is often the case that vacancy is filled but the advertisement is still live. Why? to maximise advertising expenditure and continue to gather c.v's for their washing machine of a database. You may well be contacted at a later date when job matched for a totally in-appropriate role.
They recruit only from their internal database only known in I.T circles as the (Washing machine cycle) The agency is based in Manchester but the vacancy is in London so you maybe local to this vacancy but totally oblivious to this local opportunity.
There are discussions regarding the legality of holding CV's on internal databases where the vacancy is never going live!
Avoid Sales agencies they are all complicit in poor practices these people end up in recruitment for obvious reasons and simply cannot cope due to the number of CV's being submitted and blame the recession and not there poor working practices.
Avoid totally pathetic |
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duncanfreer1
Joined: 24 Feb 2009 Posts: 2
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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 2:01 pm Post subject: Oil Jobs |
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Hi Guy20
i have used http://www.oilandgasjobsearch.co.uk who have a large global database of jobs for the oil industry
Regards
Duncan |
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lanne
Joined: 28 May 2009 Posts: 8
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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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| I have found the best way to find a job is to contact the companies you are interested in directly and ask them about their jobs/ fill out an online application form on their website because many companies don't advertise their jobs and don't want to pay recruitment agencies to find staff for them and it also means there might be less competition if they are not advertising much. Recruitment agencies try to fill all of the criteria that the employer asks for so often you have less chance for an interview but if you contact the company directly they can give you an interview if you don't fit all their criteria but come close (which has been the case with me). |
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michaelwinner

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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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I've cut and pasted this from a live job advert on Total Jobs by a pathetic recruitment agency. If you're interested ring Tracey. This is it -
We offer a fantastic basic salary of between 14,000 and 17,000, dependant on experience and skill levels.
Hours of work – these shifts are required and we work
EarlyLate
Monday 9 – 1710.30 – 8.30
Tuesdays9 – 6111.30 – 8.30
Wednesday9 – 611.30 – 8.30
Thursday9 – 6111 - 8
Fridays9 – 59 - 55
Weekends 4 in 3 Saturdays 9 - 1
Pathetic is in the only word |
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mikejdavis
Joined: 22 Apr 2009 Posts: 33
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:40 pm Post subject: Job Advertisement |
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The above advertisement could be for a trainee recruitment consultant although these telesales specialists are now working from home on a regular basis offering their unique expertise.
They additionally top up their salaries by utilising the following finance streams.
1. Spread betting.
2. EBay.
3. Self employed gardener.
Online Application Overview
Totaljobs.com
Only if you’re desperate \ Roles often expired but still advertised.
Jobserve.com
Common for non-existent job advertisements be careful.
Planetrecruit.com
Chav agencies normally recruit from this site.
Monster.co.uk
2 cyber attacks on confidential candidate data in 18months not to be trusted.
Reed.co.uk
Show’s you how many applicants have applied for the advertised role already. This will either put you off or encourage you depending on your persona.
Summary
Job websites are known for duplicating roles you may have applied twice for the same role which incidentally happens to be a non existent advertised by the same agency in slightly different format on multiple on-line job-boards.
Personally i feel sorry for Graduates with non-specific degrees i.e. they leave university with -20k debts and often end up temping and suffering the fools in the telesales industry of recruitment often called Tracey or Sharon with their degrees in History or business management.
The whole process is absolutely pathetic - AVOID ALL SALES SPECIALISTS IF POSSIBLE. |
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pestal
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| Lupy wrote: | Actually Michael, I am not wound up in the slighest and in fact I am very calm just now. It seems to me it is you who is the wound up one.
Do you think by posting ridiculous and stupid comments on here, you are going to shut down all recruitment agencies? If you want people to sit up and listen to you then post facts not immature comments about people's weight, eating habits or ethnic origin.
'Get a life' is the most constructive advice I can offer to you |
Lupy, why is that we can't comment on people's eating habits? We are a civilised society and most of us have a problem with people scooping food with bare hands and eating with their bare hands, slurping like pigs, burping and farting afterwards. We've evolved enough to be able to eat in a clean and hygienic way and control our bodily functions. There was a reason why we adopted certain table manners. If someone hasn't learned how to or comes from a primitive society where this is normal and isn't happy with our comments, they can go back and do it there. So can you.
Recruitment agencies are staffed by unqualified people, those are pure sales people and their titles were made up to make those horrible jobs more attrative to idiots, a lot of their activities are con and should be banned. Examples: false advertising, bullshitting about work availabitlity, lying to you and getting you to come to their office to fill in tons of paperwork and hassle and waste your referee's time just to put you on their books so they never run out of candidates and have as many people as possible in case some client comes up with some weird request.
The whole recruitment and HR industry is made up scam, I don't know how this massive con was allowed to go on and was able to reach such scales.
If someone fails to understand that, I am sorry to sound harsh, but they are immature, have had a very narrow life experience and way of thinking and are not the brightest people in the world, at all. |
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pestal
Joined: 24 Jun 2009 Posts: 11
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Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:32 pm Post subject: Re: Recruitment Agents: Slick Ricks N Bog-Trotters |
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| delmontebanana wrote: | | michaelwinner wrote: |
Laughing out loud - You didn't understand my point and in fact completely missed it! It wasn't meant to be taken as a literal meaning, it's what's called an expression. It's the 'In a perfect world...' thing....You could do with brushing up on your academics bananaman and read a book every now and then...
God help me - the level of intellect, or perhaps more accurately - lack of it on this page is unreal. Like dealing with retards..  |
Does making personal attacks anonymously on the interweb make you feel special? I do hope so, at least something in life makes you happy
I do fail to see your point, particularly in this so called "intellectual expression" you're trying to communicate?
Your exact post was
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Remember that the perfect job advert attracts only one application and that applicant is taken on.
Quite clearly you don’t know what you’re doing. |
What is your point exactly then, or are you just trying to be difficult and make yourself sound/feel super clever on this here Gumtree forum?
"It's the in the perfect world thing" expression, lol. What are you going on about?
I read many books thanks and graduated with a 1st degree in Psychology and am partly through my MSc Occupational Psychology. What's your profession then smarty pants? Professional internet forum troll?
But seriously though, whatever. michaelwinner, if you feel that you are superior than all the so called "recruitment agencies" you speak to then good on you and best of luck securing a job because to be honest, if you walked into a company with an attitude like your portraying in your online persona, I'd be surprised you could get a job at KFC. |
Your degree is con just as the whole recruitment agency industry bullshit. Get a life. |
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