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yackandandah



Joined: 11 Jun 2008
Posts: 10
Location: london

PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:19 pm    Post subject: Re: West Hampstead House Scam!! Don't do it Reply with quote

mine was from carlen.graen@gmail.com though[/b]
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Yantan



Joined: 11 Jun 2008
Posts: 3

PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well that is pretty crap, just one thing, if you are a teacher why can you not spell?

'Dont' x 'Don't'
'Sqaud' x 'Squad'

'no' do you not mean 'Know'


Hmmm I wonder
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Lady Kakata



Joined: 11 Jun 2008
Posts: 2

PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had an email about a wonderful lookig Dundee flat with a request for a £900 transfer tp 'prove' I have funds (I'm a STUDENT, what makes them think I have £900?)

That was suspicious, but I've looked through my mail and in another email about a 2 bed flat (I specified ONE bedroom flat, this person cannot read apparently) The picture for the living room from the Western union email and the two bedroom flat email is actually the same one

Suspious? Oh yes
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yackandandah



Joined: 11 Jun 2008
Posts: 10
Location: london

PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yantan wrote:
Well that is pretty crap, just one thing, if you are a teacher why can you not spell?

'Dont' x 'Don't'
'Sqaud' x 'Squad'

'no' do you not mean 'Know'


Hmmm I wonder


thanks for the spelling lesson yantan. now back to the issue at hand

Quote:
Hi thank you so much for your response about the room available now,ok fine i will rent the it 170 pound per week and there is three bedroom room in my flat okay so the whole flat is 680 pound monthly plus the security deposit refundable back after five days you have stay in my flat. i will like to meet you by Saturday for viewing, so kindly let me know if you can afford to pay the bill including the security deposit and first month rent and i want you to know that the deposit is refundable back to you after your staying in my flat okay. and for me i travel to see my parent in Bristol and i will would be back till Saturday so if you are really serious about the viewing my property you can come for viewing on Saturday okay and i will implore you to pay the money for the security deposit and one month rent so that i can come to London by Saturday and meet you and your friend,what you have to do by making the transfer to confirm that you are capable for the bill you go to western union outlet shop to pay the security deposit and one month rent in your own name as the sender of the transfer while your friend name that is coming for viewing as the receiver of the transfer so that i can confirm that you are truly capable for the Bill okay.you can call me on my mobile number....07024070632.......


from petergarai.garai@googlemail.com
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zafer



Joined: 12 Jun 2008
Posts: 1

PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:10 pm    Post subject: Re: BEWARE - Housing Scam to look out for Reply with quote

Hi I ve just received an email from a so called landlord (I assume) who wants me to transfer some money as in the way you mention.
I am already aware that it is a scam so I will not do what they say but, If you have any advise to get this guy I am happy to help.
Regards,
Zaf
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kaysav



Joined: 14 Jun 2008
Posts: 1

PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I received this email today from topyflatinlondon@live.com


Hello,

All bills are included with house rent so you don't nneed to pay any bills again,It will be possible for you to come for viewing,but presently am working with Rogerstan Finance Ltd in Cardiff for a 6 months contract which will expire in Ausgust.I intend to rent out my flat to a responsible and God fearing person who will be willing to take care of my flat .I will be willing to come in from Cardiff on account of a genuine reason,as soon as you have a proof to set you aside from all the time wasters who book an appointment and do not meet up and some come up but with a story of not having money at hand and begging me to wait till the end of the month for salary.I will like to know if you are coming with your friend to live in my flat?How many months do you intend to stay in my flat?Would you be able to take care of my flat?Then if you will be coming for viewing,i will like you to differentiate yourself from the time wasters and weak financial status.I have had several cases of people we had a deal for viewing and fail to turn up and making me look like a fool at the tube station and also some getting to viewing and messing up by telling me they have no money yet to pay for the rent.I have consulted my lawyer and we have resolved that any interested candidate should be able to prove in the following way in order to determine who is financially buoyant and that he or she can stick to appointment when scheduled.You will have to send money to your friend or your partner who is close to you thru western union money shop close to you,the total sum of one month rent and security and damages which at least stands for your financial affordabilty of the rent in other to know your financial strenght of renting a flat,after this the details on the receipt will be sent to me as my lawyer makes verification of your affordabilty of the rent,then you can tell your friend to pick it up after viewing my flat,have also decided to refund back to you the transfer charges when you come for viewing.Bring along the receipt of the payment so i can return to you back the transfer charges when coming for viewing...Please note that i have not instructed you to send money to me but instead a trustworthy friend who can later pick up for you after the arrangement for viewing has been secured.

Thanks for your understanding and hope to read from you soon as we proceed.Please dont forget that i will be refunding back to you the transfer charges with the proof of the payment receipt.Once it is confirmed valid by my lawyer,i will meet up with you soon for a proper viewing and we can conclude every other necessary documentations before i take my leave back to Cardiff.You can reach me on my phone number for more information or explanation. 07035904602,07031916409
This are the information required from the receipt for verification should in case you cant get a scanner.

Name of Sender:Your Friend Name
Name of Receive:You own Name
Sender Address:You Address
Mtcn 10 Digits Number:Will be given to you at western union money shop office
Amount Sent:750 Pounds

Thanks

i didnt even bother to call the mobile no.
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BlazinBeckie



Joined: 14 Jun 2008
Posts: 1

PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't believe how many scammers there are out there, they must think we're all stupid! Sorry for those who have fallen for them... I put an advert on the Glasgow website for a one bed flat and recieved the following email, after a description which did sound too good to be true:

"Thanks for the email. You can see the flat next Saturday but I needyou to understand somethings, Due to recent inconviniencies caused bywannabe tenants who approached me for a viewing. I have decided toknow how serious you are before taking you for a view. I need you tounderstand that all those i took for the viewing have always promisedto pay but all to no avail. Out of no time i still find time toschedule a viewing and after all I get cooked up with stories youcan't imagine. For me to know you are capable of paying for the rent and for you tobe on safer side i will implore you to send a month rent £470 andsecurity deposit of £650 making £1120 in total to any of your familyor relatives in UK (NOT ME) VIA WESTERN UNION and after sending ityou would show me the scanned receipt you were given or you send methe information you were given so i can confirm its availiabiltyonline here. We schedule a viewing immediately the fund is comfirmed available.With this i will be rest assured that the fund is available at yourdisposal to pay after viewing. Then you'll bring the money to me incash as i'm 100% sure you'll like the house because it looks exactlythe way it is in the picture. I promise to refund to you any transfercharges incurred when we come for the viewing. You can call me whenyou get this mail for more explanation. I look forward to read fromyou."

To be honest, never trust someone with bad grammer! I even rung a number he provided before this email and could barely understand what he was saying. He said his name was Gregory Forbes but judging by his accent, he was foreign. I'm 19 and even I have the common sense to know not to give money before you view, and Gumtree had already warned me about Western Union so at least there doing something. I told the guy I wasn't interested enough and he said thanks and goodbye!
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kitkatchunkyy



Joined: 14 Jun 2008
Posts: 1

PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 10:13 pm    Post subject: more scams Reply with quote

my scamming friend calls himself ''joe''. his e-mail is he's crap at english although he slips in the odd word like 'elucidate' to throw you off track. he wants some money before we view the house (a 4 bedroom house for £400 per week in camden too, i add, hm what an absolute bargain.)

me and my friend have decided to arrange a meeting and then we will give him £5,000...

of monopoly money. then we are gonna happy slap him and film it and youtube the whole thing. poor joe

these people are idiots;

an example:
-----Original Message-----
> From: joe candy <jcnd08@googlemail.com>
> To: katicc@aol.com <katicc@aol.com>
> Sent: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 15:55
> Subject: Re: Your Gumtree.com ad #24995625: WANTED!!4 BED PROPERTY FOR 4
> STUDENTS MID AUGUST!
>
>
> That is exactly what i am saying,i will have to be sure first before
> taking you for the viewing that was why i ask if you have any valuable
> amount to show before Monday or Tuesday,because before i arrive i will call
> on my lawyer to meet me in the property,And i will be coming from Clapham,so
> i hope you understand how i mean.


..no, i dont ''understand how you mean'' you twat
sorry joe...Smile
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molly2005



Joined: 16 Jun 2008
Posts: 4

PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This happended to me last week.

Always listen to your inner voice! If it seems too good to be true...IT IS.
Be careful out there everyone!




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Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 07:23:54 -0700
From: karllarsson46@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: transfer



Dear Molly
I`m sorry for my late reply! I confirm once again that I`ll deduct the 75Euro fees when we will meet in London to show you the flat! I need to see that you have sent the money on your name with location of London and you will have the cash available on your name when I will arrive on Friday that`s why I asked to not cash the money until I will arrive on Friday!
You will cash it when we will meet and pay me cash because they are opened in weekends.
As soon as I receive the receipt and see that you have the money available on your name I will be sure that you have seriose intention in renting the flat and I will buy the flight ticket! For now I just reserved it and I am waiting your confirmation scan receipt!
Kind regards

Molly wrote:

Dear Karl,

Currently we are both abroad and intend on sending a Western Union transfer to ourselves this afternoon to prove we have the money.

Can you please confirm to go ahead with this and that the flat is still available, as we do not want to be wasting our time and money.

Could you please reply to this email to confirm.

Many thanks,


Karl,


What I wrote then ....and never heard from him again!


We have gladly offered to show you proof that a transaction has occurred to prove that we have the money but on no accounts will we give you a copy of the receipt and leave money with Western Union in London. We are not comfortable doing this and have been advised against this by Western Union.

The only transaction of money will occur when we are in the Apartment along with the lease and keys.

If you still wish to continue they are the only grounds upon which we will do so.


Regards,




Molly
[/b]
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maudlevy



Joined: 17 Jun 2008
Posts: 3

PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you so much to DaniGirl1000 !!!

I was chatting on msn with "Anna Louise" and I googled her e-mail address out of curiosity... and I fell on this page !! Shocked

I showed her your page, asking her what she thought about it and she just logged out. Well, unfortunately, now she will probably change her e-mail address.

You are right to say that a foreigner would easily fall into her trap. I thought her offer was really good I but wasn't worried at all... I should have been !!

Now I must continue searching for my flat...
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Girl123



Joined: 17 Jun 2008
Posts: 1

PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 6:38 pm    Post subject: we recieve the same letter but with different data .BE AWARE Reply with quote

She called herself Jennifer Bedford
this is the copy of the letter:


It will be possible for you to come for viewing,but presently am working with Gregs constuction company in Manchester for a 4months contract which will expire in Ausgust.I intend to rent out my flat to a responsible and God fearing person who will be willing to take care of my flat .I will be willing to come in from Manchester on account of a genuine reason,as soon as you have a proof to set you aside from all the time wasters who book an appointment and do not meet up and some come up but with a story of not having money at hand and begging me to wait till the end of the month for salary.I will like to know if you are coming with your friend to live in my flat?How many months do you intend to stay in my flat?Would you be able to take care of my flat?Then if you will be coming for viewing,i will like you to differentiate yourself from the time wasters and weak financial status.I have had several cases of people we had a deal for viewing and fail to turn up and making me look like a fool at the tube station and also some getting to viewing and messing up by telling me they have no money yet to pay for the rent.I have consulted my lawyer and we have resolved that any interested candidate should be able to prove in the following way in order to determine who is financially buoyant and that he or she can stick to appointment when scheduled.You will have to send money to your friend or your partner who is close to you thru money gram post office or western union agent,the total sum of one month rent and security and damages which at least stands for your financial affordabilty of the rent in other to know your financial strenght of renting a flat,after this the receipt would be scanned to me as my lawyer makes verification of your affordabilty of the rent,then you can tell your friend to pick it up after viewing my flat,have also decided to refund back to you the transfer charges when you come for viewing.Bring along the receipt of the payment so i can return to you back the transfer charges when coming for viewing...Please note that i have not instructed you to send money to me but instead a trustworthy friend who can later pick up for you after the arrangement for viewing has been secured.
Thanks for your understanding and hope to read from you soon as we proceed.Please dont forget that i will be refunding back to you the transfer charges with the proof of the payment receipt.Once it is confirmed valid by my lawyer,i will meet up with you soon for a proper viewing and we can conclude every other necessary documentations before i take my leave back to Manchester.You can reach me on my phone number for more information or explanation. 07031916409,07035904602.
This are the information required from the receipt for verification should in case you cant get a scanner.
SENDER NAME;
RECEIVER NAME;
ADDRESS OF RECEIVER;
MTCN CONTROL NUMBER GIVEN TO YOU BY WESTERN UNION;
AMOUNT SENT;A MONTH RENT AND SECURITY AND DAMAGES,


REGARDS
JENNIFER
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maudlevy



Joined: 17 Jun 2008
Posts: 3

PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have received this offer, could you please tell me if you think that it's safe ?It's quite cheap for its location and they ask me to pay through Western Union. And also, I can't visit the flat because I live in France.

1st e-mail:
Hello Maud
Thanks for your mail i really appreciate it so much. Here is the flat available for you to take a look at it so if you interested you may get back to me and also your full name with contact address.. It is a well furnished suitable, My flat is close to the Marylebone college.My flat located at the center of London and the Nearest Tube Station is MARYLEBONE TUBE STATION which is just about 10 mins walking distance to my flat and it also very near to the Marylebone Campus of the University of Westminster and it just 20 minute walking distance.
General information
Address: Marylebone Road
Neighborhood: Marylebone, NW1 5SL
City: Central London
Rent: £300 per Month(s),£70 per Week
Deposit :: £400 deposit and it refundable back to you after a week
Available: ANYTIME YOU WANT TO MOVE IN 2008
Minimum Stay: 1 Month(s)

Flatmate description
Gender: Female Orientation: Straight
Smoker: Non Smoker Occupation: Professional
Age: 22 yrs old Pet: No

Preferred flatmate description
Gender: Doesn't Matter Orientation: Doesn't Matter
Smoker: Doesn't Matter Occupation: Doesn't Matter
Age Range: from 16 to 99 yrs. old Couple: Doesn't Matter

Room and flat description
Dwelling type: Flat Floor #:
No# of bedrooms: 3 # of BR available: 3
No# of bathrooms: 3 Parking: Yes
Pet: Not Disclosed Flat Sq ft.: 0 Sq. Ft.

Room amenities: Furnished, Private bath, Hardwood floor, TV, Air conditioning, Closet, Private entrance
Home amenities: Washer/Dryer, Internet, Dishwasher, Yard, Pool
Comments:
Let me know if is suitable with you if so you should be able to get back to me with Full name including your Contact address to make the agreement form for you to sign.
Sincerely
Bruce


2nd e-mail:
Hello Maud,,
Thanks for the details you gave me,i quite appreciate your interest in my flat. I have

attached the agreement form with my International Passport for your reference where you will need

to sign the agreement form and re-attach it back to me with ID for reference. Just scroll down

the bottom of the message and you will see my endorsement under the agreement, so sign there or

just put your name and re-attach back to me. As regard the payment go to the post office nearest

you or bank near you, they will provide you with a slip to fill. Fill the Western union form and

get back to me with a scanned copy page of the form after completing it.
write me back with the Western Union details including the 10 DIGITS NUMBER (MTCN) as soon as I

have it, I will issue your receipt as the main Prove of Pyment Document to provide when coming to

the flat.
You can Email me with any question because the flat is already on hold for you. As soon as the

agreement is signed and sent back with the payment details, I will want you to give me your

flight or train details cause I will be coming to pick you up myself.

NAME OF SENDER:
NAME OF RECEIVER:
SENDER'S ADDRESS:
MTCN 10 DIGITS NUMBER:
AMOUNT SENT:
QUESTION AND ANSWER:

I will be waiting your response with details of the payment including the agreement form, you

will need to pay security deposit Tommorow let me know if you are going to send me the deposit

Tommorow so that I can issue a receipt for you which you will bring along with you,the security

deposit will refunded back to you after one week of staying in my flat.Get back to me if i should

be expecting the payment so that i will not talk to anybody again.
Bruce....

and also, don't you think that the room shouldn't look that nice ?
http://img32102.pictiger.com/images/15688206/


What do you think? I have already been contacted by a scammer ("Anna Louise Sebastian"). Do you think this is one of them?
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z4ra



Joined: 18 Jun 2008
Posts: 1

PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:03 am    Post subject: SCAM - Frith St w1 leooliver28@yahoo.com Reply with quote

I've been chatting to a guy called oliver in Greece about a flat right in Piccadilly for £125 a week. He wanted a similar thing where whoever sends him the moneygram first he will fly over from Greece to meet them to show the flat. I nearly went a head with this. Luckily i did think it was too good to be true and forgot about it. This is what he said:

From: Leo Oliver
To: Pamungkas, Melinda
Sent: Fri Jun 13 19:58:17 2008
Subject: Flat

Hi,
As you already know, I live in Greece and I have nobody in UK that could show you the appartment.I need to come personal to meet you and present it.
Few days ago I was in Uk to meet with a client but when I arrived in UK he never respond to my e`mail or calls.
I work in a hospital and is very hard for me to come in UK. I can't take the risk to leave my new job for days and when I arrive in UK to see that I come for nothing. I want to be sure that when I will meet you, we do the rent papers then i can come back in Greece.
So i can be sure of that look how we can do:
You make the payment from your name and address to your best friend or your wife name and address in UK using MoneyGram for 2 months rent that means GBP 500 and GBP 500 the security deposit send me the scanned receipt.The money is still within you. As soon as I see the scanned receipt that you have made the payment, I will come in UK and you will see the flat and maybe rent it. After that, we will go together at the MoneyGram office and you will take the money back and pay me.So all you have to do is to find a MoneyGram office and wire GBP 1000 from your name to your best friend name or your wife and send the scanned receipt.I am asking you this to be sure that I do not come in UK for nothing. Hope you can understand my situations.
P.S : As I told you,I have a lot of customers interested to rent the apartment. I will reserve the apartment to the first one that provides me the scanned paper from MoneyGram. As soon as I have the confirmation from MoneyGram that the money are available on his name I stop the transactions with all the other customers
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maudlevy



Joined: 17 Jun 2008
Posts: 3

PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Somebody (mia_homes@live.com) just offered me this system: transferring money to a friend's account. And she also told me how somebody she trusted came once into her flat and stole her stuff... (just like Anna Louise Sebastian also said to me today).This is the third scammer I have seen since less than 24 hours!!

I don't understand though, how does (s)he intend to scam me this way? How does it work?
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wendy&roy



Joined: 18 Jun 2008
Posts: 1

PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 3:10 pm    Post subject: If it sounds to good to be true.. it probably is Reply with quote

Enquired about a property advertised by rayben800@googlemail.com in London Bridge (Weston Street) and was asked to transfer £1,000 via Western Union Money transfer or moneygram in order to view the property..

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2 bedroom flat avaliable to let in Weston Street (£1,000 pcm)

Extract from email from: rayben800@googlemail.com

"In other not to face past ordeals, my lawyer has insisted that any Interested tenant that will make us leave Scotland to London for property viewing should show a sign of genuine interest by proofing that he/she will be punctual at the appointment fixed time and that he/she is capable of paying the rent charges. The fastest and easiest way for him to confirm this is sending the rent deposit (£1000) by either western union money transfer or moneygram. This is just to serve as partly available rent fund and for your security, you will make the money sent to name of any of your friend, your family member or even your spouse. The money is still within your reach and nobody has access to it except you. We only need to see the western union money transfer or moneygram copy of receipt giving to you. This is what we will require to confirm available fund for your rent and to serve as surety that you are serious tenant. You can send as attachment the receipt or send the MTCN number and other details by email. I will pay back to you the charges you expended in sending the money in western union

After viewing the property, and you really like it, we can go together to the western union location agent around the property to pick up the money back and we can reach an agreement on how you will move into the property. If you are ready for the full rent payment, my lawyer will provide a Tenancy Agreement form and receipt . Thereafter he will hand over the keys."
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abi85



Joined: 18 Jun 2008
Posts: 5

PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 6:43 pm    Post subject: Scammer joe candy at it again !! Reply with quote

we nearly fell for this one !!
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:30:31 -0700

From: jcnd08@googlemail.com
To: abi85@hotmail.co.uk
Subject: Re: Your Gumtree Gloucester ad #25005634: 2 double bed flat/house wanted

Yes it won,t be a problem,but i hope you have gone through my required proof,Because i really do not intend to predicate on any documentary proof,i hope you understand,if you don,t you can try and call me so i can elucidate it to you,Thanks.


On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 1:23 PM, abi silcock <abi85@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

ok thankyou rebeccas mother has argreed to help us out in any matters we need .Would it be ok if i could get her to call you tomorrow evening to discuss matters and to arrange proof that we will need ?



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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:21:16 -0700

From: jcnd08@googlemail.com
To: abi85@hotmail.co.uk
Subject: Re: Your Gumtree Gloucester ad #25005634: 2 double bed flat/house wanted

Hello that is what i am saying,i have to be sure of you first,I am always free any time after 6pm during the week days,and any time after the weekend,so get back to me and let me know when is best for you,But i will need the proof first,then we can have the veiwing right immediately after i have confirm the status of the transaction,You can call me if you don,t seems to understand,7024061771,Thanks.


On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 1:12 PM, abi silcock <abi85@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

Yes i understand what you are saying .We will definatly take it subject to viewing.Not sure what you mean by money gram outlet ?.Could we possibly arrange to meet with you to arrange viewing and to go though any contracts agreements etc ?.



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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:07:29 -0700

From: jcnd08@googlemail.com
To: abi85@hotmail.co.uk
Subject: Re: Your Gumtree Gloucester ad #25005634: 2 double bed flat/house wanted

Well firstly i want you to know i sure understand how you mean,But you see these is due to previous predicament that i have gone through in the past trying to rent the property to some student,i have got to realize so many people are not really in need of an apartment all they do is secure a place in advance,My last experience in trying to rent the property to a particular lady had got me to predicate on these,she made me believe she was willing and ready to get the apartment she even went to the extend of showing me her statement of account,which made me took her for the viewing but after taking her for the viewing,sher saw the apartment and got to love it and never wanted to loose it,so she kept pleading i retain it for her because she is not financially composed at the moment,which i did but end up disastrously.
So basically for me to be sure of you been willing and ready to get the apartment i will employ you walk into any Money Gram outlet and send the total bill to Rebbecca,or Rebbecca should send it to you,All i need is for you to get back to me with the receipt issued to you after making the transaction so i can confirm it,As soon as i can confirm these i will get back to you immediately and then your Rebbecca can go and pick it up on your behalf,i hope you understand,Thanks.

Regards

Joe

Regards

Joe


On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 12:57 PM, abi silcock <abi85@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

OH right yeah sorry ,what sort of proof would you like ?,we have been depositing money to prepare us to move with that will cover rent for a while plus enable us to look for employment when we are there but this should not take longer than a couple of weeks at the most .could also have someone act as guarentore if you prefered ?



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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:54:21 -0700

From: jcnd08@googlemail.com
To: abi85@hotmail.co.uk
Subject: Re: Your Gumtree Gloucester ad #25005634: 2 double bed flat/house wanted

I have to e sure of you been willing and ready to get the property and perhaps been capable of the bill,so i will need a proof


On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 12:39 PM, abi silcock <abi85@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

sorry i didjnt understand that ?



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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:38:16 -0700

From: jcnd08@googlemail.com
To: abi85@hotmail.co.uk
Subject: Re: Your Gumtree Gloucester ad #25005634: 2 double bed flat/house wanted

Yes but i told her i will have to be sure of you people been eilling and ready to get the apartment.


On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 12:14 PM, abi silcock <abi85@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

rebecca genders



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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 11:42:11 -0700

From: jcnd08@googlemail.com
To: abi85@hotmail.co.uk
Subject: Re: Your Gumtree Gloucester ad #25005634: 2 double bed flat/house wanted

Sorry but what is the name of your Friend


On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 11:35 AM, abi silcock <abi85@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:


Hello i believe my friend has got in touch with you regarding arranging a viewing possbly the weekend of the 27th ?is this suitable ?


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Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 07:10:09 -0700

From: jcnd08@googlemail.com
To: abi85@hotmail.co.uk
Subject: Re: Your Gumtree Gloucester ad #25005634: 2 double bed flat/house wanted

It is furnished,but if you want it unfurnished it won,t e a problem,7024061771.


On 6/14/08, abi silcock <abi85@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
ok thankyou ,is the property furnished or unfurnished ?



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Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 06:45:21 -0700

From: jcnd08@googlemail.com
To: abi85@hotmail.co.uk
Subject: Re: Your Gumtree Gloucester ad #25005634: 2 double bed flat/house wanted

I am free althrough the weekend,but free any time after 6pm during the week.


On 6/14/08, abi silcock <abi85@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
ok thankyou,the property looks lovely and will definatly be looked after .i will speak to my friend and arrange a day when she is free to come view it.when is suitable for you?



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Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 06:20:51 -0700

From: jcnd08@googlemail.com
To: abi85@hotmail.co.uk
Subject: Re: Your Gumtree Gloucester ad #25005634: 2 double bed flat/house wanted

Concerning the rent bill,i will like you to know the rent bill is not really my problem what matters to me is that you take good care of the property like yours,But the rent bill is 500 per month and 600 for the deposit which is your tenancy agreement and will be refund back to you if no damage is done to the property,but the rent bill is inclusive of all utilities,inclusive of all bills.


On 6/14/08, abi silcock <abi85@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
it looks lovely,how much is rent and deposit ?



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Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 05:20:05 -0700
From: jcnd08@googlemail.com
To: abi85@hotmail.co.uk
Subject: Re: Your Gumtree Gloucester ad #25005634: 2 double bed flat/house wanted


Hello ,

Thanks for the respond and the intrest,the apartment is still available for rent,And in there are pictures of how the apartment looks like,But here are further elucidation about the apartment,the apartment is a self contain building with beautiful rounded surroundings,the building is rounded with beautiful flowers and with a beautiful garden,it is where i use to live in before moving into my new house,so it,s not just a flat share,i believe it,s an apartment anybody will love to live in,cos it is built and decorated in a modern style,it,s an apartment with a classic spacious living room,with two master bedrooms which has an in built bathroom and toilet,including it,s standard kitchen, a kitchen every lady will love to make use of,my wife never wanted us to vacate the apartment because of setting of the kitchen it,s a kitchen every lady will love to cook in,And the apartment has every necessary homely facilities you might be in need of,such as shower,internet service including a central heating and so on,as well as you won,t have to worry about the location of the apartment because it is located in a preferable junction in Cheltenham,with very good transport link,and it is very affordable,not for anything but simply because there is no one available to live in the apartment and my mom won,t just let me be over it,she is a kind of passionate and considerate person,she feels the flat is suppose to be rented out since there is no one available to live in it,and that is the reason why i just need someone who can live in the apartment and keep maintaining it for me like his or her own,and there is no limited time to when you can live in the apartment as long as you take good care of it like yours,it,s all i plead for because the apartment is a very clean and well furnished apartment,Thanks
Regards
Joe





On 6/14/08, abi silcock <abi85@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
yes im interested could you please send me further details,plus rent and deposit required .thankyou

> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 23:23:40 +0100
> From: jcnd08@gmail.com
> To: abi85@hotmail.co.uk
> Subject: Your Gumtree Gloucester ad #25005634: 2 double bed flat/house wanted
>
> This email has been sent to you through the Gumtree system because you have selected to
> hide your email address in your ad:
>
> http://gloucester.gumtree.com/gloucester/34/25005634.html
>
> Is this email spam? Let us know here: http://www.gumtree.com/cgi-bin/help.pl?f=1&s=19
> Is this email dodgy? Let us know here: http://www.gumtree.com/cgi-bin/help.pl?f=1&s=2
>
> Contact: jcnd08@gmail.com
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
>
> Hello,
>
>
> Good day,i hope these email get you well,i am only contacting you in regards of your advert that i came across on the gumtree,I just have to take the time to email you because what you stated on your advert is corresponded to what i have for rent,i do understand the state of you advert and that is why i just have to contact you,The apartment is an apartment i believe when you get to see it,You won,t want to loose it,due to it,s style of decoration,it is kept very clean and well furnish in a modern style,and it has various homely facilities such like Power sky shower,fridge,gas,washing machine,internet including a central heating,and they are all in perfect condition,As well as you won,t have to worry about the location of the apartment because it is located in a preferable junction in Cheltenham,I really can,t elucidate further in here but when ever you get back to me i will send you every necessary information you need to know,Thanks
>
> Regards
>
>
> Joe
>
>
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mrb199



Joined: 19 Jun 2008
Posts: 1

PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:58 pm    Post subject: Hoe does this scam work???? Reply with quote

Can anyone tell me how the scam where they ask for ur mtcn number? cant figure out how they take the money? They would need the recipient's name and ID and have to be in the right location on the send money form also? Inside job anyone think?

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Morgane



Joined: 19 Jun 2008
Posts: 1

PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 7:03 pm    Post subject: Scam ? Reply with quote

Hye every body.

I'm new here and I discover sur the forum by taping the name of sarah fersborg in google.
Actually, i was supposed to live in her place during july and august. i already send her money.

Did someone of you have some problems with her ?
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abi85



Joined: 18 Jun 2008
Posts: 5

PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 1:07 pm    Post subject: scammers Reply with quote

Just wondering is there any way someone could post a list of people to look out for ?i have been contacted by a ridiculas amount of dodgy people and it would be so much easier if there was a list up
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abi85



Joined: 18 Jun 2008
Posts: 5

PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 1:14 pm    Post subject: Yet another one Reply with quote

Hello,
Thanks for getting back to me,that is fine with me, i will be available from today to sunday,you no what,am not in London presently i went on assignment in Cardiff but i can come down to schedule the viewing,so before i can come down to London you have to prove yourself that you are capable and serious about the flat because have been disappointed by so many candidate that wanted to view my flat,so my lawyer and the landlords and landladies association of Cheltenham have reach in conclusion with that any candidate should prove he or her self by making a transaction to him or herself thruogh western union or money gram outlet paying the payment of a month rent which is 600pounds and the deposit of 600pounds through western union or money gram sending the money to your husband,wife,friends relatives that is trustworthy name as the sender and your own name as the receiver,note that i don't tell you to send me money,this transfer is to show how serious and capable you are about the flat and show that you can easily maintain my flat you know what sorry for the inconvience i will be come all the way from Cardiff to schedule the viewing so i have to see a prove before i can come down to schedule the veiwing,so when you are through with the transfer just get back to me with the details or scan the receipt to me to make the confirmation by my lawyer and the association to know if you have truly transfer any money to yourself and also come along with the receipt when you are coming for the viewing,so that i will be able to refund the transfer charge fee(60pounds)back to you in other to avoid inconveniences,if you can make the transfer today tommorrow morning i will come down to London to schedule the viewing immediately,this is just for me to now that you are really capable and serious about the flat and after this will can easily schedule the viewing that immediately so after viewing you can easily go back to the nearest western union to pick up your money back since you have your receipt with you.and if the flat is suitable you can pay to me in cash so get back to me with your information that i will use to prepare the agreement form and the receipt.
note once again ,that the transfer charges fee(60pounds)will be refund by me so reason and make it faster and get back to me asap.
NOTE ONCE AGAIN THAT I DON'T TELL YOU TO SEND MONEY TO ME,MAKE THE TRANSACTION TO YOURSELF AND I WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE TRANSFER CHARGES WHEN YOU ARRIVE FOR THE VIEWING THAT IS THE FIRST THINGS I WILL DO,THANKS.
Regards

abi silcock <abi85@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

could we arrange a viewing?


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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 00:14:33 -0700
From: allenharrrison@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: keep me posted
To: abi85@hotmail.co.uk

Hello i have attach some pics of the flat and it's a 2double bed and the deposit is another one month rent ok.

abi silcock <abi85@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
yes do u have any pictures ?is it 2 double bed ?whats the deposit ?



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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 07:53:58 -0700
From: allenharrrison@yahoo.com
Subject: keep me posted
To: abi85@hotmail.co.uk

Hello i have the flat at St George's Road, Cheltenham ...Nearest Train Station: Cheltenham Spa; Nearest Major Road: M5 jnct ; Nearest Airportand the rate of the is £600 per month,so if interested do get back to me asap

abi silcock <abi85@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
hello,im presently living in nottingham.me and my friend are looking for a 2 double bed place in cheltenham we are looking at paying £500-£600 per month

> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:05:14 +0100
> From: allenharrrison@yahoo.com
> To: abi85@hotmail.co.uk
> Subject: Your Gumtree.com ad #25142777: wanted 2 double bedroom house/flat
>
> This email has been sent to you through the Gumtree system because you have selected to
> hide your email address in your ad:
>
> http://www.gumtree.com/london/77/25142777.html
>
> Is this email spam? Let us know here: http://www.gumtree.com/cgi-bin/help.pl?f=1&s=19
> Is this email dodgy? Let us know here: http://www.gumtree.com/cgi-bin/help.pl?f=1&s=2
>
> Contact: allenharrrison@yahoo.com
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
>
> allenharrrison@yahoo.com
> Hello am Allen Harrrison(private landlord) i have a 2bedroom whole flat in Argyle Place,King St,Hammer Smith,London,W6 0RQ. and the nearest between ravenscourt park and Hammer Smith tube stations and Acton Main Line Tube Station which is 2 miles to the flat and the rate of the flat per calender month is 900pounds and the deposit is another one month rent of the flat and all bill are inclusive#garden#parking space#balcony e.t.c,so if interested do get back to me or if you don,t like that area you can easily get back to me with the area you prefer ok because i have some flat that are also vacant with the same rate ok,so if interested do get back to me and with the question below asap.
> -Where do you work presently?
> -Get back to me with your contact phone number?
> -Where are you presently?
> -Can you afford the rate?
> -How much can you afford?
>
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abi85



Joined: 18 Jun 2008
Posts: 5

PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 1:25 pm    Post subject: and another one Reply with quote

I only receive money after viewing and that is only when you have thekeys and sign the agreement and i am ready to come down for i want youto see what you are paying for.I just need proof that the agreed rentand deposit is available and i will meet up with you tommorrow.I wasdiscussing with my colleague about the idea on how i will be so surethat i will not be coming down to London on a futile exercise and sheadvised that we can work out something via Western Union Transfer.She made me to understand that she has used it a couple of times forrenting out her flat if she is not around .She said that western unioncan actually hold the money as an evidence and surely that her tenantwill pay her at least for the first month and deposit.these is mysuggestion for the safety and interest of the both of us because idon't want regret coming down and i can't tell you to pay for aproperty you've not viewed.You send the security deposit and a monthrent to your friends,family,partner or anybody's details (NOT ME) inunited kingdom(uk) through any western union agent or money gramaround you and scan the receipts for me on here to checkit.Immediately i will happy come down and arrange for the view ifpossible at your conveniency because with these,i am convinced thatyou are capable of meeting my demands for i know you will like theproperty....After the view the receiver or you will go and collect themoney from the western union or money gram agent,sign the rentalagreement form if possible or later and get the keys to the propertybefore paying me in cash in the presence of my lawyer or pay meanytime since i am 100%assured that you are capabl and i will aswellsend the rental agreement form to you plus the reciept of the rent youmakie proof for .I believe you understand why it is done this way which is for thesafety and security of the both of us..concerning the transfercharges,it will be refund back to you on the spot of view or deductedfrom the first month rent you are paying me in cash because i know andi can bet you will like the property.Thanks and i hope to read from you soon. PLS DO NOT MAKE PAYMENT TO ME FOR I ONLY NEED THIS AS PROOF On 6/20/08, abi silcock <abi85@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:>> yes i am serious ,what other proof would you need ,i have alredy stated that> when we have come down and viewed the property we will give you the deposit> and rent then plus go over the necessary paperwork > Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008> 05:36:58 -0700> From: jw0473@gmail.com> To: abi85@hotmail.co.uk> Subject:> Re: Your Gumtree Gloucester ad #25005634: 2 double bed flat/house wanted> >> hello ,> thanks for constant feedback on your needs,like i said am looking> a> serious and capable tenanrt who can take a proper care of my>> property.the property is available for view and but i have relocated> to> liverpool to take care of my wife who is a cancer patient and that> is why> am looking for some serious tenant who is ready to assure me of> taking a> proper care of my property but i can come down from liverpool> to Gloucester> provided you are serious of renting my property for i> dont want to be> fooled again the way i was when i came to Gloucester> the last three all on> viewing issue.i really want to how really> serious and cabaple you are> before i would be renting my property to> you for i dont want my property to> be rent out to people or anyone who> is going to damage my lovely property.>> i await your mail.> thanks> > On 6/20/08, abi silcock <abi85@hotmail.co.uk>> wrote:> >> > yes it is a serious deal a long as the flat meets our> requirements .once we> > have viewed it we will give you the deposit and> rent and sign the agreements> >> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 04:49:33 -0700>> From: jw0473@gmail.com> To:> > abi85@hotmail.co.uk> Subject: Re: Your> Gumtree Gloucester ad #25005634: 2> > double bed flat/house wanted> > is ok> but i need to be sure these is a> > seriosu deal for i dont to be> fooled by> any time waster> > On 6/20/08, abi> > silcock <abi85@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:>>>> > Would the 30th be ok ?> Date:> > Fri, 20 Jun 2008 00:59:40 -0700>> From:> > jw0473@gmail.com> To:> > abi85@hotmail.co.uk> Subject: Re: Your> Gumtree> > Gloucester ad #25005634: 2> > double bed flat/house wanted> > am> flexible in> > viewing when precisely do> > you intend to make view> > On> 6/19/08, abi silcock> > <abi85@hotmail.co.uk>> > wrote:> >> > the property> looks very nice ,would we be> > able to arrange a> > viewing ?> >> >> >> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 17:02:35> > -0700From:> > jw0473@gmail.comTo:> >> abi85@hotmail.co.ukSubject: Re: Your> > Gumtree> > Gloucester ad #25005634:> 2> > double bed flat/house wantedHello Its> >> > really a pleasure hearing> once again> > from you concerning your need.i> > have> > the property> available in which am in> > need of a serious tenant> > who will> > take> proper care of my property .The> > property has a two> > double> >> bedroomed,garden,laundry room,well sitting room> > and ,tiolet.The> >> property> > is located on High> > St,Cheltenham,Gloucestershire,GL50> 3HT,and> > is well> > equipt with modern home> > utilities like:-electric> shower,gas> > central> > heating,Tumble> > Dryer,Airconditioning> unit,Lounge,Vacuum> > Cleaner,Toaster,> > Wheelchair> > Access,Bathroom> Towels,Oven and> > Grill,couch,microwave,> >> > dryer,iron,washingmachine>>>> > ,gascooker,refridgetor,dishwahser,powershower,door> >> alarm,heater,cable> >> > ready,tv set and dvd player,easy access to> >> internet,equiped kitchen and>> >> so on.the monthly rental fee is £600> (including> > bill,taxes,tv> >> > liecence,gas)and the security deposite is> £400 which is> > refundable> >> > provided there is no damage occurance in> my property.See below> > the> >> > pictures of the property so that you can> know how the property looks> >> >> > like.I await your mail to know if you> are satisfied with the details given>>> >>> to you on the property.Thanks> and i await your mail> > On Thu, Jun 19,> >> > 2008 at 9:48 AM, abi silcock> <abi85@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:> >> > whta is the>> >> address of the property> ?what is the deposit required and rent> > ?>> > Date:> > Thu, 19 Jun 2008> 15:38:12 +0000> From: jw0473@gmail.com> To:> >> >> > abi85@hotmail.co.uk>> Subject: Your Gumtree Gloucester ad #25005634: 2> >> > double> > bed> flat/house wanted> > This email has been sent to you through>> >> the> Gumtree> > system because you have selected to> hide your email> > address>>> in your ad:> >> >> >> http://gloucester.gumtree.com/gloucester/34/25005634.html>> >> Is this> >> email> > spam? Let us know here:> >> >> http://www.gumtree.com/cgi-bin/help.pl?f=1&s=19> Is> > this email dodgy?> >> Let> > us know here:> > http://www.gumtree.com/cgi-bin/help.pl?f=1&s=2> >> >> Contact:> > jw0473@gmail.com> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________>>>>>>> >> hi,> i reed your advert that you are in need of two double bedroomed> flat>> >>> > in cheltenham .have got a fully furnished property located in> that> > area.try>> >> asap to get back to me concerning your need and more>>> introduction about> > you> > as well. > regards> johny> > > > >> >> > Get>>> 5GB of online storage> > for free! Get it Now!> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________>
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matursuksma



Joined: 22 Jun 2008
Posts: 1

PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:47 am    Post subject: Recent scams Reply with quote

These two names have tried the moneygram scam on me this week:

"Margareth Bolignton" <margareth.apartment@yahoo.co.uk>

"Katty Butler" <kattybutler@live.com>

both relate to properties in Bloomsbury.
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KEIRA



Joined: 23 Jun 2008
Posts: 2

PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi everyone…just wanted to share my experience as well. I am coming to London in September for my post grad and I had posted an add here. There was a particular response which really fascinated me coz he was offering me a one bed flat for GBP200 pcm…..it sounded too good to be true. Anyways, I had no idea coz I have never been to the UK.

Later he insisted on a “PROOF” – transfer of funds through Western Union to a friend in the UK or to myself. Later I suggested paying him cash through a friend in London but he was adamant that I send the money through WU. After a month of responding to emails I have given up…

His add is: shermenroman58@googlemail.com

I have even got responses from different people at different addresses but with the picture of the same flat.

I sure am glad I didn’t fall for the scam….I would have if my friends in the UK hadn’t cautioned me.

One thing to look out for is the way the mails are written – in horrible English: here is a sample:


Hello Karma,

I will confirm it and here is my contact number,7024058951,But concerning the proof,you see ,i don,t want you to feel i am been too blunt or kind of self centered,i am not,i am a very open minded person,and i so much understand life situations,but you see in trying to rent the flat out has got me emotionally drained to the extend that i almost intend making an housing agent be in charge of the apartment,but the problem is just that i want to be sure of the person who is going to rent the apartment,cos all i need is someone who can just keep maintaining the apartment for me,But the reason why i have so much predicate on these is simply i have gone through a lot of disgusting predicament in trying to rent the flat out,i have gone through a situation whereby i was contacted in regards of the flat,and after devoting my time,after so much conversation,we arrived at a conclusion and fixed a schedule to view the apartment,and out of no time i still make sure i met up with the time schedule,and i waited although the day but all i got was a phone calls by the person giving excuses of been sorry,that he could,tn make it,that he had to meet up with a date or whatever,you can imagine.But my last experience in trying to rent the apartment to a particular lady made me predicate so much on these,she contacted me and made me believe she was willing and ready to get the apartment and perhaps been capable of the rent bill,she even went to the extend of showing me her statement of account which made me felt so free taking her for the viewing,but after taking her for the viewing she got to see the flat and loved it and never wanted to loose it,but neither did i know she was not financially compose at the moment or may be perhaps she was not financially ready,because all she was doing was pleading i retain the apartment for her,and despite the fact that i was disappointed i did retain the apartment for her out of pity,because i thought it was just going to take a little while,but after two weeks there was no turn up from her,but she got me infuriated when she kept visiting the apartment frequently and went to the extent of trying to pull off a poster for rent placed in the apartment which could cause a damage to the apartment,i got crossed and decided she had to leave,so i made up my mind,and told her someone else had already paid for the apartment,but she was so rude and never wanted to listen until i got my lawyer involved,everything was so stressful in trying to let her forget about the flat,so you can understand what i mean,i won,t like to go through these anymore,so for me to be sure of you been willing and ready to get the flat and perhaps been capable of the rent bill,i will employ you send the total bill via western union or money gram,please do not get me wrong i am not saying you should send the money to me,send it to any of your friend or close relative Uk,or you can even send it to yourself,may be by changing your first name or any how that best pleases you,or best in your case you can send it to your partner,all i need is for you to show me the scan receipt,or you send me the necessary information on the receipt so i can confirm the status of the transaction,informations below are:

1,SENDERS NAME
2 ,RECEIVERS NAME
3,WESTERN UNION CONTROL NUMBER

Once i can see these and confirm the status of the transaction,i will contact you back immediately to pick up the money,and then i will be rest assure you are indeed willing and ready to get the apartment and perhaps been capable of the rent bill,and i want you to know you really don,t have to worry about anything because i can afford the western union charges and even if you get to see the apartment and it does not meet up to your expectation,i will still refund back the western union charges,but as far as i am concern i am extremely sure you have no problem concerning the flat,because i know you will like it when you get to see it,it,s an apartment i believe anybody will love to live in.Thanks.

Regards

Roman
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maddyfactor1



Joined: 23 Jun 2008
Posts: 1

PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:59 am    Post subject: Western Union & Moneygram Scammers Reply with quote

I posted an ad on Gumtree and specifically put 'no Western Union or the like scams to contact me' Even still, I got three responses to my ad and the only responses I got were scammers - all asking for the money transfers.

The addresses are:

Naomi Bingham - naomibingham@yahoo.com
She uses an English name but clearly has very poor command of the English language. She forgot to change her template too and suggested that my wife can get the transfer to her account... even though I'm a woman.

Nick Stinson - nstinso122@googlemail.com
He claimed he is working in Glasgow and about to move to Italy so needs to know that the money can be paid prior to booking his flight.

Faith Smith - ssscompany00123@yahoo.com
Oh please, come up with a better name than that! Claimed that she lived in the area but still wanted to get the transfer before even allowing me to view the apartment.... why.... because there is no apartment!

Anyway, just posting their details for you incase they contact you on these particular email accounts. I have also reported them to Gumtree. It's a shame as it's impossible to keep up with it due to the fact they just keep setting up new email accounts. It makes me wonder if there is a better place to advertise for apartments wanted that vet responses therefore you don't get these scammers wasting your time. If anyone knows of one, let me know - even if it's a paid service, better than dealing with time wasters.

My advice to anyone considering doing the money transfer, DON'T! If the Gumtree forum and their clear warnings aren't enough to turn you off, do a google search on Moneygram scams and Western Union scams - it will shock you!
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abi85



Joined: 18 Jun 2008
Posts: 5

PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:40 pm    Post subject: do these stupid bastards not no when to stop! Reply with quote

Yeah i know and why i am asking you to do that is cos i have gone thru this before and i just waste my time. I am not asking you to send me money just send it to your name and info thru western union or moneygram and all i just need is you to scan the receipt then we can choose a date to view the property cos its vacant now and you need to have a key to go in..... Here is the address if thats what you want but let me know before you go there cos its locked and you cant get in.. 275 DOWTY RD, GLOUCESTER, CHELTENHAM , UK GL51O... Get back soon..

--- On Mon, 6/23/08, abi silcock <abi85@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

From: abi silcock <abi85@hotmail.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Your Gumtree.com ad #25142777: wanted 2 double bedroom house/flat
To: rmorse29@yahoo.com
Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 12:27 PM


why would you need proof before i have even seen the property ?and you still have not given me a address



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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 05:26:28 -0700
From: rmorse29@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: Your Gumtree.com ad #25142777: wanted 2 double bedroom house/flat
To: abi85@hotmail.co.uk

I am glad you liked it but i want to be sure so i wont just waste my time cos some interested people have done this and at the end they dont have money to pay so they only way you can prove to me you are capable of paying for the rent as soon as you see it is by doing this: Send the rent to your own name and address and scan to me the reciept then i can be sure as soon as i show you the property, if you like it then you can give me the money and if not you can have your money back. So i am sure you are capable of paying for the rent.... Waiting to hear back...

--- On Sun, 6/22/08, abi silcock <abi85@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

From: abi silcock <abi85@hotmail.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Your Gumtree.com ad #25142777: wanted 2 double bedroom house/flat
To: rmorse29@yahoo.com
Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 10:57 PM





the property looks loverly ,but we were looking really at paying £500-£600 per month ,we could probably pay £800 per month with bills included
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Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 15:52:54 -0700
From: rmorse29@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: Your Gumtree.com ad #25142777: wanted 2 double bedroom house/flat
To: abi85@hotmail.co.uk

its okay let me know your schedule and also are you okay with the rent and the property?

--- On Sun, 6/22/08, abi silcock <abi85@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

From: abi silcock <abi85@hotmail.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Your Gumtree.com ad #25142777: wanted 2 double bedroom house/flat
To: rmorse29@yahoo.com
Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 4:54 PM


could we arrange a viewing ?



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Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 09:53:25 -0700
From: rmorse29@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: Your Gumtree.com ad #25142777: wanted 2 double bedroom house/flat
To: abi85@hotmail.co.uk

sorry the mail was not for you its for someother interested person for a flat in wimbledon. but the pics is for the property in cheltenham.. Get back soon

--- On Sun, 6/22/08, abi silcock <abi85@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

From: abi silcock <abi85@hotmail.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Your Gumtree.com ad #25142777: wanted 2 double bedroom house/flat
To: "Randy Morse" <rmorse29@yahoo.com>
Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 3:56 PM


sorry the advert did state i was looking for a place in cheltenham ,not wimbledon



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Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 08:50:57 -0700
From: rmorse29@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: Your Gumtree.com ad #25142777: wanted 2 double bedroom house/flat
To: abi85@hotmail.co.uk

i dont understand what you mean by premium number all you want is my property so let me know when you would be ready for the veiwing cos the apartment is vacant now so i can make arrangement for assess into the apartment. Its on Graham rd, wimbledon.

--- On Sun, 6/22/08, abi silcock <abi85@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

From: abi silcock <abi85@hotmail.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Your Gumtree.com ad #25142777: wanted 2 double bedroom house/flat
To: rmorse29@yahoo.com
Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 12:07 PM


yes i would like to arrange a viewing ,could you please tell me the address of the property ?also why is your contact number a premium rate number ?i would like to remind you i do not get involed on any sort of money gram or weston union



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Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 02:16:15 -0700
From: rmorse29@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: Your Gumtree.com ad #25142777: wanted 2 double bedroom house/flat
To: abi85@hotmail.co.uk

Here are the pictures of the flat. It all furnished with a carpet flooring, its decent and includes all bills. Internet access and cables, parking lots and garden. The rent is 250pw and deposite is 100. Let me know when ever you wanna go have a look. You can also call me on +447024039515.
Number of bedrooms: 3
Kitchen equipped: yes
Garden: yes
Balcony / terrace: yes
Air conditioning: yes
Cable: no
Internet: yes
Landline phone: no
Parking space: yes
Heating: central
Furnished: yes
Floor: carpet flooring

Monthly rent (not per person, for the whole flat): 250pw
Bills included: yes
Tax included: yes
Deposit: 100

Call me here is my phone number: +447024039515

--- On Fri, 6/20/08, abi silcock <abi85@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

From: abi silcock <abi85@hotmail.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Your Gumtree.com ad #25142777: wanted 2 double bedroom house/flat
To: rmorse29@yahoo.com
Date: Friday, June 20, 2008, 9