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Orwellian_Logic
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 Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:49 am Post subject: Africa - a drain of the West? |
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With events worsening everyday in Zimbabwe, it leads to the conclusion that all westerners and business should just pick up and go and leave them to their own devices.
It's plain obvious that Mugabe hasn't a care for democracy and we all know he's stolen the election, bullying the country into submission.
We also look at SA too. When Zuma gets in after Mbeke, all hell may break loose and very possibly the mass killing of whites.
We can look all over Africa of war, tribalism, genocide and religious strife - Uganda, The Congo, Rwanda, Sierra Leone, Kenya, Somalia, Nigeria.....the list goes on and on.
Africa is in the mess it's in not because of White's but because of Blacks. Zimbabwe's truth to that statement they kicked out their 'white zimbabwean' farmers and now the countries starving. What's left of Christianity is being bullied and attacked by Islam.
You think it's bad in Africa? It's going to get a lot worse and they're bringing that violence over here into the UK.
Let Africa sort out Africa and let the west cut the apron strings supporting it. Time and time again we're told that the Black man doesn't need the White man - prove it then for us all to see and stand on your own two feet for once! |
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the beak
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| and umbeki says there is no crisis in zimbabwe, i wonder what dirt mugabe has on him |
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Decaying
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:55 am Post subject: Re: Africa - a drain of the West? |
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| Orwellian_Logic wrote: | With events worsening everyday in Zimbabwe, it leads to the conclusion that all westerners and business should just pick up and go and leave them to their own devices.
It's plain obvious that Mugabe hasn't a care for democracy and we all know he's stolen the election, bullying the country into submission.
We also look at SA too. When Zuma gets in after Mbeke, all hell may break loose and very possibly the mass killing of whites.
We can look all over Africa of war, tribalism, genocide and religious strife - Uganda, The Congo, Rwanda, Sierra Leone, Kenya, Somalia, Nigeria.....the list goes on and on.
Africa is in the mess it's in not because of White's but because of Blacks. Zimbabwe's truth to that statement they kicked out their 'white zimbabwean' farmers and now the countries starving. What's left of Christianity is being bullied and attacked by Islam.
You think it's bad in Africa? It's going to get a lot worse and they're bringing that violence over here into the UK.
Let Africa sort out Africa and let the west cut the apron strings supporting it. Time and time again we're told that the Black man doesn't need the White man - prove it then for us all to see and stand on your own two feet for once! |
China will try to look after Africa where the west has failed.
It痴 their turn. Good luck to them. I知 sure they値l do a better job than us in the west. |
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ticcan
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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They seem to be pretty much on their own two feet at the moment, limping along.
We are responsible for some of the problems, but it is up to them now to decide, they cant keep blaming other ppl for their issues, its time to grow up |
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the beak
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:04 pm Post subject: Re: Africa - a drain of the West? |
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| Decaying wrote: | | Orwellian_Logic wrote: | With events worsening everyday in Zimbabwe, it leads to the conclusion that all westerners and business should just pick up and go and leave them to their own devices.
It's plain obvious that Mugabe hasn't a care for democracy and we all know he's stolen the election, bullying the country into submission.
We also look at SA too. When Zuma gets in after Mbeke, all hell may break loose and very possibly the mass killing of whites.
We can look all over Africa of war, tribalism, genocide and religious strife - Uganda, The Congo, Rwanda, Sierra Leone, Kenya, Somalia, Nigeria.....the list goes on and on.
Africa is in the mess it's in not because of White's but because of Blacks. Zimbabwe's truth to that statement they kicked out their 'white zimbabwean' farmers and now the countries starving. What's left of Christianity is being bullied and attacked by Islam.
You think it's bad in Africa? It's going to get a lot worse and they're bringing that violence over here into the UK.
Let Africa sort out Africa and let the west cut the apron strings supporting it. Time and time again we're told that the Black man doesn't need the White man - prove it then for us all to see and stand on your own two feet for once! |
China will try to look after Africa where the west has failed.
It痴 their turn. Good luck to them. I知 sure they値l do a better job than us in the west. |
like they did in zambia, looks like fun |
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Decaying
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| Of course they'll arm all the country's in the process, just as we've done in the past. |
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Orwellian_Logic
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:11 pm Post subject: Re: Africa - a drain of the West? |
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| Decaying wrote: | | Orwellian_Logic wrote: | With events worsening everyday in Zimbabwe, it leads to the conclusion that all westerners and business should just pick up and go and leave them to their own devices.
It's plain obvious that Mugabe hasn't a care for democracy and we all know he's stolen the election, bullying the country into submission.
We also look at SA too. When Zuma gets in after Mbeke, all hell may break loose and very possibly the mass killing of whites.
We can look all over Africa of war, tribalism, genocide and religious strife - Uganda, The Congo, Rwanda, Sierra Leone, Kenya, Somalia, Nigeria.....the list goes on and on.
Africa is in the mess it's in not because of White's but because of Blacks. Zimbabwe's truth to that statement they kicked out their 'white zimbabwean' farmers and now the countries starving. What's left of Christianity is being bullied and attacked by Islam.
You think it's bad in Africa? It's going to get a lot worse and they're bringing that violence over here into the UK.
Let Africa sort out Africa and let the west cut the apron strings supporting it. Time and time again we're told that the Black man doesn't need the White man - prove it then for us all to see and stand on your own two feet for once! |
China will try to look after Africa where the west has failed.
It痴 their turn. Good luck to them. I知 sure they値l do a better job than us in the west. |
Erm...the West Failed? Where? The only failure in Africa when it comes to the West is the Black Man kicking out the White man believing they can run their countries better than the White man - continuously proved wrong for all the World to see.
When Zimbabwe was under British Control it was 'the bread basket of the West'. The same goes for French and Dutch Colonies. All had thriving economies. They had guns in those times but law and order. They have guns now as well, but no law and order and poor education.
None of it is the Wests fault. They've pumped trillions into Africa in aid and African leaders continue to destroy their countries and let their people die of starvation and disease. |
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Apple
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:24 pm Post subject: Re: Africa - a drain of the West? |
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| Orwellian_Logic wrote: | With events worsening everyday in Zimbabwe, it leads to the conclusion that all westerners and business should just pick up and go and leave them to their own devices.
It's plain obvious that Mugabe hasn't a care for democracy and we all know he's stolen the election, bullying the country into submission.
We also look at SA too. When Zuma gets in after Mbeke, all hell may break loose and very possibly the mass killing of whites.
We can look all over Africa of war, tribalism, genocide and religious strife - Uganda, The Congo, Rwanda, Sierra Leone, Kenya, Somalia, Nigeria.....the list goes on and on.
Africa is in the mess it's in not because of White's but because of Blacks. Zimbabwe's truth to that statement they kicked out their 'white zimbabwean' farmers and now the countries starving. What's left of Christianity is being bullied and attacked by Islam.
You think it's bad in Africa? It's going to get a lot worse and they're bringing that violence over here into the UK.
Let Africa sort out Africa and let the west cut the apron strings supporting it. Time and time again we're told that the Black man doesn't need the White man - prove it then for us all to see and stand on your own two feet for once! |
Shouldn't this "emotional" outburst be directed to the government? What do you suggest faceless internet personas do about it? |
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nodigs
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:28 pm Post subject: Re: Africa - a drain of the West? |
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| Apple wrote: | | Orwellian_Logic wrote: | With events worsening everyday in Zimbabwe, it leads to the conclusion that all westerners and business should just pick up and go and leave them to their own devices.
It's plain obvious that Mugabe hasn't a care for democracy and we all know he's stolen the election, bullying the country into submission.
We also look at SA too. When Zuma gets in after Mbeke, all hell may break loose and very possibly the mass killing of whites.
We can look all over Africa of war, tribalism, genocide and religious strife - Uganda, The Congo, Rwanda, Sierra Leone, Kenya, Somalia, Nigeria.....the list goes on and on.
Africa is in the mess it's in not because of White's but because of Blacks. Zimbabwe's truth to that statement they kicked out their 'white zimbabwean' farmers and now the countries starving. What's left of Christianity is being bullied and attacked by Islam.
You think it's bad in Africa? It's going to get a lot worse and they're bringing that violence over here into the UK.
Let Africa sort out Africa and let the west cut the apron strings supporting it. Time and time again we're told that the Black man doesn't need the White man - prove it then for us all to see and stand on your own two feet for once! |
Shouldn't this "emotional" outburst be directed to the government? What do you suggest faceless internet personas do about it? |
O.L gets very emotional when talking about Africa, I honestly wish I had that sort of devotion to a foreign continent. |
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Journalist
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| Quote: | News Just In
A new craze is sweeping the internet!
You don't have to go look very hard on the internet these days to find armchair warriors foaming at the mouth, spittle hitting their computer monitors as they shout and type very hard on the keyboards.
However their is an unexpected payoff according to one reader, "At least they are hanging around on the internet and not down my local. It's ages since I was cornered by one of those rambling idiots. Now I can have my pint in peace." |
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Orwellian_Logic
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 3:10 pm Post subject: Re: Africa - a drain of the West? |
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| Apple wrote: | | Orwellian_Logic wrote: | With events worsening everyday in Zimbabwe, it leads to the conclusion that all westerners and business should just pick up and go and leave them to their own devices.
It's plain obvious that Mugabe hasn't a care for democracy and we all know he's stolen the election, bullying the country into submission.
We also look at SA too. When Zuma gets in after Mbeke, all hell may break loose and very possibly the mass killing of whites.
We can look all over Africa of war, tribalism, genocide and religious strife - Uganda, The Congo, Rwanda, Sierra Leone, Kenya, Somalia, Nigeria.....the list goes on and on.
Africa is in the mess it's in not because of White's but because of Blacks. Zimbabwe's truth to that statement they kicked out their 'white zimbabwean' farmers and now the countries starving. What's left of Christianity is being bullied and attacked by Islam.
You think it's bad in Africa? It's going to get a lot worse and they're bringing that violence over here into the UK.
Let Africa sort out Africa and let the west cut the apron strings supporting it. Time and time again we're told that the Black man doesn't need the White man - prove it then for us all to see and stand on your own two feet for once! |
Shouldn't this "emotional" outburst be directed to the government? What do you suggest faceless internet personas do about it? |
This is a forum, people speak how they feel. Or Apple, do you suggest I son't speak openly and how I feel, would you rather everyone spoke about things with no emotion? What a great forum this would be. |
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Apple
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 3:21 pm Post subject: Re: Africa - a drain of the West? |
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| Orwellian_Logic wrote: | | Apple wrote: | | Orwellian_Logic wrote: | With events worsening everyday in Zimbabwe, it leads to the conclusion that all westerners and business should just pick up and go and leave them to their own devices.
It's plain obvious that Mugabe hasn't a care for democracy and we all know he's stolen the election, bullying the country into submission.
We also look at SA too. When Zuma gets in after Mbeke, all hell may break loose and very possibly the mass killing of whites.
We can look all over Africa of war, tribalism, genocide and religious strife - Uganda, The Congo, Rwanda, Sierra Leone, Kenya, Somalia, Nigeria.....the list goes on and on.
Africa is in the mess it's in not because of White's but because of Blacks. Zimbabwe's truth to that statement they kicked out their 'white zimbabwean' farmers and now the countries starving. What's left of Christianity is being bullied and attacked by Islam.
You think it's bad in Africa? It's going to get a lot worse and they're bringing that violence over here into the UK.
Let Africa sort out Africa and let the west cut the apron strings supporting it. Time and time again we're told that the Black man doesn't need the White man - prove it then for us all to see and stand on your own two feet for once! |
Shouldn't this "emotional" outburst be directed to the government? What do you suggest faceless internet personas do about it? |
This is a forum, people speak how they feel. Or Apple, do you suggest I son't speak openly and how I feel, would you rather everyone spoke about things with no emotion? What a great forum this would be. |
Dont get me wrong, freedom of speech is great....carry on speaking your mind. But please be tactful about your outburst....because once it is out there it can be read and mistaken in a different light to that which you mean.... |
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6xxXKesXxx9
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 3:23 pm Post subject: Re: Africa - a drain of the West? |
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| Orwellian_Logic wrote: | With events worsening everyday in Zimbabwe, it leads to the conclusion that all westerners and business should just pick up and go and leave them to their own devices.
It's plain obvious that Mugabe hasn't a care for democracy and we all know he's stolen the election, bullying the country into submission.
We also look at SA too. When Zuma gets in after Mbeke, all hell may break loose and very possibly the mass killing of whites.
We can look all over Africa of war, tribalism, genocide and religious strife - Uganda, The Congo, Rwanda, Sierra Leone, Kenya, Somalia, Nigeria.....the list goes on and on.
Africa is in the mess it's in not because of White's but because of Blacks. Zimbabwe's truth to that statement they kicked out their 'white zimbabwean' farmers and now the countries starving. What's left of Christianity is being bullied and attacked by Islam.
You think it's bad in Africa? It's going to get a lot worse and they're bringing that violence over here into the UK.
Let Africa sort out Africa and let the west cut the apron strings supporting it. Time and time again we're told that the Black man doesn't need the White man - prove it then for us all to see and stand on your own two feet for once! |
They will be asking to be bailed out sooner or later..
Its like all them ads on TV asking for money for children charities.. They can't even give there own people clean drinking water. |
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nodigs
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 3:49 pm Post subject: Re: Africa - a drain of the West? |
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| Apple wrote: | | Orwellian_Logic wrote: | | Apple wrote: | | Orwellian_Logic wrote: | With events worsening everyday in Zimbabwe, it leads to the conclusion that all westerners and business should just pick up and go and leave them to their own devices.
It's plain obvious that Mugabe hasn't a care for democracy and we all know he's stolen the election, bullying the country into submission.
We also look at SA too. When Zuma gets in after Mbeke, all hell may break loose and very possibly the mass killing of whites.
We can look all over Africa of war, tribalism, genocide and religious strife - Uganda, The Congo, Rwanda, Sierra Leone, Kenya, Somalia, Nigeria.....the list goes on and on.
Africa is in the mess it's in not because of White's but because of Blacks. Zimbabwe's truth to that statement they kicked out their 'white zimbabwean' farmers and now the countries starving. What's left of Christianity is being bullied and attacked by Islam.
You think it's bad in Africa? It's going to get a lot worse and they're bringing that violence over here into the UK.
Let Africa sort out Africa and let the west cut the apron strings supporting it. Time and time again we're told that the Black man doesn't need the White man - prove it then for us all to see and stand on your own two feet for once! |
Shouldn't this "emotional" outburst be directed to the government? What do you suggest faceless internet personas do about it? |
This is a forum, people speak how they feel. Or Apple, do you suggest I son't speak openly and how I feel, would you rather everyone spoke about things with no emotion? What a great forum this would be. |
Dont get me wrong, freedom of speech is great....carry on speaking your mind. But please be tactful about your outburst....because once it is out there it can be read and mistaken in a different light to that which you mean.... |
I dont think he cares very much about that. |
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nodigs
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 3:50 pm Post subject: Re: Africa - a drain of the West? |
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| 6xxXKesXxx9 wrote: | | Orwellian_Logic wrote: | With events worsening everyday in Zimbabwe, it leads to the conclusion that all westerners and business should just pick up and go and leave them to their own devices.
It's plain obvious that Mugabe hasn't a care for democracy and we all know he's stolen the election, bullying the country into submission.
We also look at SA too. When Zuma gets in after Mbeke, all hell may break loose and very possibly the mass killing of whites.
We can look all over Africa of war, tribalism, genocide and religious strife - Uganda, The Congo, Rwanda, Sierra Leone, Kenya, Somalia, Nigeria.....the list goes on and on.
Africa is in the mess it's in not because of White's but because of Blacks. Zimbabwe's truth to that statement they kicked out their 'white zimbabwean' farmers and now the countries starving. What's left of Christianity is being bullied and attacked by Islam.
You think it's bad in Africa? It's going to get a lot worse and they're bringing that violence over here into the UK.
Let Africa sort out Africa and let the west cut the apron strings supporting it. Time and time again we're told that the Black man doesn't need the White man - prove it then for us all to see and stand on your own two feet for once! |
They will be asking to be bailed out sooner or later..
Its like all them ads on TV asking for money for children charities.. They can't even give there own people clean drinking water. |
Their. At least they can spell. |
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african incompetence and corruption has just translated to western fatigue for their problems
no point in trying to help people who are unwilling to start helping themselves |
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Orwellian_Logic
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:05 pm Post subject: Re: Africa - a drain of the West? |
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| Apple wrote: |
Dont get me wrong, freedom of speech is great....carry on speaking your mind. But please be tactful about your outburst....because once it is out there it can be read and mistaken in a different light to that which you mean.... |
I speak my mind and how I feel Apple, I'm a brutally honest person and despise falsehoods. If people take my speech in a different light then that's their look out. Those with intelligence should be able to cypher and get what I mean, while the others will shout Racist, Fascist or Nazi. It doesn't bother me, I ingore their posts anyway, as soon as I see their avatars.  |
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Farnarkler2
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I really don't know why the West deals with africa at all. Anything that is produced there can be got elsewhere at approximately the same price.
The average african has fuck all so the answer is to hit the despot leaders where it hurts ie in their wallets. They should be denied the luxuries they buy on their trips to the boutiques and luxury car showrooms. Mercedes is always at the top of the dictator's list of things to buy when they've slaughtered enough of their people to become ruler. I'm sure Merc's profits wouldn't dip noticeably if they stopped supplying S Class cars to africa. |
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ticcan
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Then they will just buy it second hand or get someone to buy it for them.
We should either get fully involved or get the fuck out, cos this kind of helping but not fully comitted is just making things worse. |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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aint our problem at all
cut off all aid - aid only creates a begging culture and removes all incentives for people to sort out their problems themselves |
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ticcan
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| .? wrote: | aint our problem at all
cut off all aid - aid only creates a begging culture and removes all incentives for people to sort out their problems themselves |
When you are dying of starvation/disease kinda hard to start worrying about democracy and building a functioning economy for the future |
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| ticcan wrote: | | .? wrote: | aint our problem at all
cut off all aid - aid only creates a begging culture and removes all incentives for people to sort out their problems themselves |
When you are dying of starvation/disease kinda hard to start worrying about democracy and building a functioning economy for the future |
who is starving????
these countries could easily feed their peoples if they sorted themselves out |
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Farnarkler2
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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| then ticcan, imports and exports from sub-saharan africa should be stopped by navies. |
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ticcan
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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| .? wrote: | | ticcan wrote: | | .? wrote: | aint our problem at all
cut off all aid - aid only creates a begging culture and removes all incentives for people to sort out their problems themselves |
When you are dying of starvation/disease kinda hard to start worrying about democracy and building a functioning economy for the future |
who is starving????
these countries could easily feed their peoples if they sorted themselves out |
Yes they could, but that doesnt help the ppl starving to death now |
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Farnarkler2
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They starve to death because the places they live ie Ethiopia cannot sustain the population, simple as that.
If we saved every child in africa the population would explode and no country would be able to sustain its' population.
Disease and famine are required to keep the population in check. Is that so difficult to understand and accept??? |
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