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rizwo
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watcherduck
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Propaganda Journalism at it's finest.
If the other side of the story wasn't about muslim extremists strapping bombs on retarded children, and having them run into a crowd to detonate, it might be shocking, if it were true. So fucking what? |
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rizwo
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rizwo
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| watcherduck wrote: | Propaganda Journalism at it's finest.
If the other side of the story wasn't about muslim extremists strapping bombs on retarded children, and having them run into a crowd to detonate, it might be shocking, if it were true. So fucking what? |
my dear it is reality. urs own ppl confess, not the media.
you have no choice but to accept.
if you are wrong then it is propaganda and if we are wrong then it is truth.
u bastered. |
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rizwo
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| watcherduck wrote: | Propaganda Journalism at it's finest.
If the other side of the story wasn't about muslim extremists strapping bombs on retarded children, and having them run into a crowd to detonate, it might be shocking, if it were true. So fucking what? |
y u ppl have no land? y u ppl are running around and doing mess since 4000 years ? you ppl really r cursed |
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hmmmm_maybe
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| State sponsored terrorism, pure and simple. The sooner Jesus returns to rid the World of those evil rulers, the better. |
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rizwo
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| hmmmm_maybe wrote: | | State sponsored terrorism, pure and simple. The sooner Jesus returns to rid the World of those evil rulers, the better. |
agreed.
i don't understand this at all that a person come to your house and kick you out and destory all the things in the house and claim that it is his house. and when u do defence then you are called terrorist?
that is madness |
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flame
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| hmmmm_maybe wrote: | | State sponsored terrorism, pure and simple. The sooner Jesus returns to rid the World of those evil rulers, the better. |
Doesn't the Antichrist take centre-stage before Jesus returns?
If so(assuming,of course,that you believe all that stuff),maybe all this violence we're coping with now is gonna seem like a walk in the park,once he arrives on the scene! |
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hmmmm_maybe
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| flame wrote: | Doesn't the Antichrist take centre-stage before Jesus returns?
If so(assuming,of course,that you believe all that stuff),maybe all this violence we're coping with now is gonna seem like a walk in the park,once he arrives on the scene! |
Yes, the Anti-Christ does take centre stage and what you see now is nothing in comparison to what is to come. We should be doing everything humanely possible to avert the coming of the AC. Instead, we have people pumping in Billions of £'s every year hoping to accelerate the course of time, in the false hope, that they will be going to Heaven. |
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flame
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| hmmmm_maybe wrote: | | flame wrote: | Doesn't the Antichrist take centre-stage before Jesus returns?
If so(assuming,of course,that you believe all that stuff),maybe all this violence we're coping with now is gonna seem like a walk in the park,once he arrives on the scene! |
Yes, the Anti-Christ does take centre stage and what you see now is nothing in comparison to what is to come. We should be doing everything humanely possible to avert the coming of the AC. Instead, we have people pumping in Billions of £'s every year hoping to accelerate the course of time, in the false hope, that they will be going to Heaven. |
True.But that's all offset,don't forget,by equal billions being channelled into stemming the tide.Look at such as treaties etc.Many of these are for corporate gain,but then many are also aimed at egalitarian ideals.
I don't know about the Antichrist being real,or a metaphor;if he does come to exist,then I expect he'll encounter as much resistance as he will support. |
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hmmmm_maybe
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| flame wrote: | True.But that's all offset,don't forget,by equal billions being channelled into stemming the tide.Look at such as treaties etc.Many of these are for corporate gain,but then many are also aimed at egalitarian ideals.
I don't know about the Antichrist being real,or a metaphor;if he does come to exist,then I expect he'll encounter as much resistance as he will support. |
I agree with what you say. The AC when he comes (in whatever shape that may be) will initially be seen as a peace maker. Peace is first made between Jew and Muslim and lasts for 7 years and only then does the AC show his true colours by breaking the peace treaty. AC is said to be able to spread oppression and war throughout the World, it will then that the forces of good will be awoken and with the aid of Jesus pbuh, (peace be upon him) will be able to defeat him and spread the true word of God, (everyone will then become a believer). |
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flame
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| hmmmm_maybe wrote: | | flame wrote: | True.But that's all offset,don't forget,by equal billions being channelled into stemming the tide.Look at such as treaties etc.Many of these are for corporate gain,but then many are also aimed at egalitarian ideals.
I don't know about the Antichrist being real,or a metaphor;if he does come to exist,then I expect he'll encounter as much resistance as he will support. |
I agree with what you say. The AC when he comes (in whatever shape that may be) will initially be seen as a peace maker. Peace is first made between Jew and Muslim and lasts for 7 years and only then does the AC show his true colours by breaking the peace treaty. AC is said to be able to spread oppression and war throughout the World, it will then that the forces of good will be awoken and with the aid of Jesus pbuh, (peace be upon him) will be able to defeat him and spread the true word of God, (everyone will then become a believer). |
I've read somewhere that he ends up heading the EC before spreading conflict.Do you believe that will happen?
In the bible he's described as straddling many nations,in what we can now interpret as a multi-state conglomeration that those in the biblical era would not have understood.
It's also said that he will cause miracles to occur,but whether these were metaphorical translations,I couldn't guess. |
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Asiya
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| rizwo wrote: | | hmmmm_maybe wrote: | | State sponsored terrorism, pure and simple. The sooner Jesus returns to rid the World of those evil rulers, the better. |
agreed.
i don't understand this at all that a person come to your house and kick you out and destory all the things in the house and claim that it is his house. and when u do defence then you are called terrorist?
that is madness |
it is a madness that has been crafted so that the majority of the world simply don't care Rizwo... that is what is really tragic, any other aprt of the world, a christian dominant people and no doubt there would be international outrage. Not all Israeli's are the same as not all Jews are the same, but people who have no pity and compassion in their hearts or sense of right and wrong and justice...they seem to be the same. |
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Asiya
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| flame wrote: | | hmmmm_maybe wrote: | | flame wrote: | True.But that's all offset,don't forget,by equal billions being channelled into stemming the tide.Look at such as treaties etc.Many of these are for corporate gain,but then many are also aimed at egalitarian ideals.
I don't know about the Antichrist being real,or a metaphor;if he does come to exist,then I expect he'll encounter as much resistance as he will support. |
I agree with what you say. The AC when he comes (in whatever shape that may be) will initially be seen as a peace maker. Peace is first made between Jew and Muslim and lasts for 7 years and only then does the AC show his true colours by breaking the peace treaty. AC is said to be able to spread oppression and war throughout the World, it will then that the forces of good will be awoken and with the aid of Jesus pbuh, (peace be upon him) will be able to defeat him and spread the true word of God, (everyone will then become a believer). |
I've read somewhere that he ends up heading the EC before spreading conflict.Do you believe that will happen?
In the bible he's described as straddling many nations,in what we can now interpret as a multi-state conglomeration that those in the biblical era would not have understood.
It's also said that he will cause miracles to occur,but whether these were metaphorical translations,I couldn't guess. |
That is what Muslims believe basically, and at the time when he does come food will be in such short supply that when they see his apparent comforts of food, power, miracles etc they will fall under his 'spell'...they will gladly follow him. But he will be full of trickery and the two regions he will be unable to enter will be Mecca and Medina (according to the original 'map' not the larger map that Medina has become today.
Yes, the ad-Dajjal or anti-Christ is a portent inshAllah I hope we aren't around for!!! If life seems full of hate and injustice and war and bloodshed now, it makes you shudder to think what is still to come... |
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hmmmm_maybe
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| flame wrote: | I've read somewhere that he ends up heading the EC before spreading conflict.Do you believe that will happen?
In the bible he's described as straddling many nations,in what we can now interpret as a multi-state conglomeration that those in the biblical era would not have understood.
It's also said that he will cause miracles to occur,but whether these were metaphorical translations,I couldn't guess. |
I too have read from Christian sources that He will head the EU. Also true about miracles being performed, raising the dead etca, but whether this all relates to the abilities of an individual or something else, only God alone knows. I do find it interesting to see the US 'appears' to be spearheading the push for peace in the ME. The next 12/18 months will be interesting to follow, especially the location of Temple Mount, which is crucial as far as Christians are concerned, to bring about End Time Prophecy. |
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flame
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| Asiya wrote: | | flame wrote: | | hmmmm_maybe wrote: | | flame wrote: | True.But that's all offset,don't forget,by equal billions being channelled into stemming the tide.Look at such as treaties etc.Many of these are for corporate gain,but then many are also aimed at egalitarian ideals.
I don't know about the Antichrist being real,or a metaphor;if he does come to exist,then I expect he'll encounter as much resistance as he will support. |
I agree with what you say. The AC when he comes (in whatever shape that may be) will initially be seen as a peace maker. Peace is first made between Jew and Muslim and lasts for 7 years and only then does the AC show his true colours by breaking the peace treaty. AC is said to be able to spread oppression and war throughout the World, it will then that the forces of good will be awoken and with the aid of Jesus pbuh, (peace be upon him) will be able to defeat him and spread the true word of God, (everyone will then become a believer). |
I've read somewhere that he ends up heading the EC before spreading conflict.Do you believe that will happen?
In the bible he's described as straddling many nations,in what we can now interpret as a multi-state conglomeration that those in the biblical era would not have understood.
It's also said that he will cause miracles to occur,but whether these were metaphorical translations,I couldn't guess. |
That is what Muslims believe basically, and at the time when he does come food will be in such short supply that when they see his apparent comforts of food, power, miracles etc they will fall under his 'spell'...they will gladly follow him. But he will be full of trickery and the two regions he will be unable to enter will be Mecca and Medina (according to the original 'map' not the larger map that Medina has become today.
Yes, the ad-Dajjal or anti-Christ is a portent inshAllah I hope we aren't around for!!! If life seems full of hate and injustice and war and bloodshed now, it makes you shudder to think what is still to come... |
So Islam contains reference to an AC figure too?
I'd be interested to see where the parallels are drawn as to his characteristics.And to see where his origins are said to lie,if anywhere. |
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flame
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| hmmmm_maybe wrote: | | flame wrote: | I've read somewhere that he ends up heading the EC before spreading conflict.Do you believe that will happen?
In the bible he's described as straddling many nations,in what we can now interpret as a multi-state conglomeration that those in the biblical era would not have understood.
It's also said that he will cause miracles to occur,but whether these were metaphorical translations,I couldn't guess. |
I too have read from Christian sources that He will head the EU. Also true about miracles being performed, raising the dead etca, but whether this all relates to the abilities of an individual or something else, only God alone knows. I do find it interesting to see the US 'appears' to be spearheading the push for peace in the ME. The next 12/18 months will be interesting to follow, especially the location of Temple Mount, which is crucial as far as Christians are concerned, to bring about End Time Prophecy. |
I think it's of interest to note that the Americans actually seem to derive personal glee from such proclamations of doom.
Whereas other references to the AC merely tend to offer auguries as to the advent of such a character,they alone seem to readily,and even jubilantly welcome such an occurence. |
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Asiya
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| flame wrote: | | Asiya wrote: | | flame wrote: | | hmmmm_maybe wrote: | | flame wrote: | True.But that's all offset,don't forget,by equal billions being channelled into stemming the tide.Look at such as treaties etc.Many of these are for corporate gain,but then many are also aimed at egalitarian ideals.
I don't know about the Antichrist being real,or a metaphor;if he does come to exist,then I expect he'll encounter as much resistance as he will support. |
I agree with what you say. The AC when he comes (in whatever shape that may be) will initially be seen as a peace maker. Peace is first made between Jew and Muslim and lasts for 7 years and only then does the AC show his true colours by breaking the peace treaty. AC is said to be able to spread oppression and war throughout the World, it will then that the forces of good will be awoken and with the aid of Jesus pbuh, (peace be upon him) will be able to defeat him and spread the true word of God, (everyone will then become a believer). |
I've read somewhere that he ends up heading the EC before spreading conflict.Do you believe that will happen?
In the bible he's described as straddling many nations,in what we can now interpret as a multi-state conglomeration that those in the biblical era would not have understood.
It's also said that he will cause miracles to occur,but whether these were metaphorical translations,I couldn't guess. |
That is what Muslims believe basically, and at the time when he does come food will be in such short supply that when they see his apparent comforts of food, power, miracles etc they will fall under his 'spell'...they will gladly follow him. But he will be full of trickery and the two regions he will be unable to enter will be Mecca and Medina (according to the original 'map' not the larger map that Medina has become today.
Yes, the ad-Dajjal or anti-Christ is a portent inshAllah I hope we aren't around for!!! If life seems full of hate and injustice and war and bloodshed now, it makes you shudder to think what is still to come... |
So Islam contains reference to an AC figure too?
I'd be interested to see where the parallels are drawn as to his characteristics.And to see where his origins are said to lie,if anywhere. |
I will see if I can find the basic link about the signs. |
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Asiya
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| flame wrote: | | hmmmm_maybe wrote: | | flame wrote: | I've read somewhere that he ends up heading the EC before spreading conflict.Do you believe that will happen?
In the bible he's described as straddling many nations,in what we can now interpret as a multi-state conglomeration that those in the biblical era would not have understood.
It's also said that he will cause miracles to occur,but whether these were metaphorical translations,I couldn't guess. |
I too have read from Christian sources that He will head the EU. Also true about miracles being performed, raising the dead etca, but whether this all relates to the abilities of an individual or something else, only God alone knows. I do find it interesting to see the US 'appears' to be spearheading the push for peace in the ME. The next 12/18 months will be interesting to follow, especially the location of Temple Mount, which is crucial as far as Christians are concerned, to bring about End Time Prophecy. |
I think it's of interest to note that the Americans actually seem to derive personal glee from such proclamations of doom.
Whereas other references to the AC merely tend to offer auguries as to the advent of such a character,they alone seem to readily,and even jubilantly welcome such an occurence. |
Yup!!! that is so true, it is scarey...there are way too many fringe groups of all or no persuasion wreaking havoc in this world today, that is for sure...and they all seem to get 'high' on death and destruction... |
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flame
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| Asiya wrote: | | flame wrote: | | hmmmm_maybe wrote: | | flame wrote: | I've read somewhere that he ends up heading the EC before spreading conflict.Do you believe that will happen?
In the bible he's described as straddling many nations,in what we can now interpret as a multi-state conglomeration that those in the biblical era would not have understood.
It's also said that he will cause miracles to occur,but whether these were metaphorical translations,I couldn't guess. |
I too have read from Christian sources that He will head the EU. Also true about miracles being performed, raising the dead etca, but whether this all relates to the abilities of an individual or something else, only God alone knows. I do find it interesting to see the US 'appears' to be spearheading the push for peace in the ME. The next 12/18 months will be interesting to follow, especially the location of Temple Mount, which is crucial as far as Christians are concerned, to bring about End Time Prophecy. |
I think it's of interest to note that the Americans actually seem to derive personal glee from such proclamations of doom.
Whereas other references to the AC merely tend to offer auguries as to the advent of such a character,they alone seem to readily,and even jubilantly welcome such an occurence. |
Yup!!! that is so true, it is scarey...there are way too many fringe groups of all or no persuasion wreaking havoc in this world today, that is for sure...and they all seem to get 'high' on death and destruction... |
I think it's because as we enter new and more exciting times,replete with more possibilities than ever before,naturally the same old responses to change will arise,but in more pronounced ways,and with greater impetus,given that this seems to be the overall flavour of events recently. |
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Asiya
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http://www.lightuponlight.com/islam/modules.php?name=News&file=print&sid=279
If you search this link it has refernces to the coming of the beast, the ad-dajjal (anti-#christ) minor signs and major signs... so whatever takes your fancy really.. its from the Muslim perspective but is quite similar to the Christian perpective
Perhaps you could give me the link (if you have one) for the perspective you have read about it? |
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hmmmm_maybe
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| flame wrote: | I think it's of interest to note that the Americans actually seem to derive personal glee from such proclamations of doom.
Whereas other references to the AC merely tend to offer auguries as to the advent of such a character,they alone seem to readily,and even jubilantly welcome such an occurence. |
You have the Zionist Christians who hope to greet , Jesus Christ, their saviour once this all kicks off. And then you have (dips into conspiracy theory realm) the Masonic- worship the devil element which says, rebuilding the Temple will give man the power to live for ever and control the World.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnpFfBMgfKU |
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| AND the jews, they have the most comprehensive collection of these "prophecies". |
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Asiya
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| flame, you are right for sure, but there is also a strange mix of co-dependancy from what i see...these extremes depend on each other to flourish and appeal to the masses to 'adopt' their way ideaology. I think more people are wanting to be powerful. And I think far too many consider themselves to be somehow 'special' and deserving of being instrumental in change and having an impact on society in general, its bad news for the average person on the street who simply wants to be let be! |
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Asiya
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| KillerK wrote: | | AND the jews, they have the most comprehensive collection of these "prophecies". |
Do you have anything you can link? It would be very interesting to compare them, don't you think? |
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