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Orwellian_Logic
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| Fern wrote: | | Orwellian_Logic wrote: | While I disagree in EM's putting of the question, much of what is considered about Scotland is false. I say this as a scotsman who has studied histories and EM is quite correct in what he has written. Why should I be offended? Because I'm Scottish? Nope, not in the slightest, I'm an honest man and if their is skullduggery in Scotland's past over the claiming of inventions then I'd rather see the wrong rooted out and precedence given to the true person behind the creation of said technologies.
Scotland is not the place many think it is. Scotland is riddled with lies and deceits and although there may have been many Scots that have done good things, they have been vastly outnumbered by the English.
There is also another lie about the Scots that they are keen to hold onto and that is the 'fear' factor of the warriors in the 2nd World War. The germans 'DID NOT' fear the scots but instead they feared the Africans more. This was recently discussed in an article a couple of months back by a historian.
My fellow countrymen have certainly proved themselves in many situations on the field of combat, but regards to this post it shows how lies have been riddled throughout Scottish culture and rightly so they are now debunked.
Good post EM. |
Your arrogance is quite astounding...
You actually believe that well documented historical and academic facts can be overturned by two pseudo blinkered politicians on a chat forum.
You render me speechless and that does not happen often. |
Fern, our history is nto what it is made out to be. I was angry when I found out many truths about Scotland and denied them for a while, but the simple fact is is that our history has been 'over' glorified and we are not the 'great people' history has made us out to be.
I did not post this to cause offence as you have taken it, but why do you say 'arrogance'? Why should I be arrogant about my history? I am an honest man and our history, much of it, is a lie. It's taken me 14 years of my life to find out that Scotland is not what I grew up to believe it was. It was as much akin to control, deceit and skullduggery as any other country is.
You would be best to read up on the facts instead of the fantasy and bullshit we as Scots are led to believe. It's a case of opening up your eyes and seeing the truth, but then if you want to feel anger and angst towards me because I expose it then feel free. I really, quite frankly don't give a shit.
Remember I am a scotsman Fern but before a Scotsman I'm a man of integrity, honesty and honour. |
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Fern
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 5:09 pm Post subject: Re: debunking the grandiose claims to fame of insecure scots |
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OL. The examples EM used in the first post are
A certain raincoat was patented by Charles MacIntosh of Glasgow, Scotland.
Dunlop tyres were invented by John Boyd Dunlop of Dreghorn, Scotland.
adhesive stamps by John Chambers of Dundee, Scotland.
Telephone was Invented by Alexander Graham Bell of Edinburgh, Scotland.
Television was invented by John Logie Baird of Helensburough, Scotland
Penicillin, was discovered by Alexander Flemming of Darvel, Scotland
Why is there a problem with that? |
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Orwellian_Logic
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 5:15 pm Post subject: Re: debunking the grandiose claims to fame of insecure scots |
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| Fern wrote: | OL. The examples EM used in the first post are
A certain raincoat was patented by Charles MacIntosh of Glasgow, Scotland.
Dunlop tyres were invented by John Boyd Dunlop of Dreghorn, Scotland.
adhesive stamps by John Chambers of Dundee, Scotland.
Telephone was Invented by Alexander Graham Bell of Edinburgh, Scotland.
Television was invented by John Logie Baird of Helensburough, Scotland
Penicillin, was discovered by Alexander Flemming of Darvel, Scotland
Why is there a problem with that? |
Fern, our 'glorious' history is not so glorious.
For starters, the Black Watch are not a glorious Infantry Unit but instead the worst thing that ever happened to Scotland as they were set up by the English to patrol the Highlands and arrest Jacobites intent on gaining independence over the English and yet we are told of The Black Watches glorious past where it's founding reasons were not quite so.
Now don't get me wrong I will not for one minute denounce the bravery of my scots ancestors, but one thing EM mentioned that Scottish discoveries were only possible through serious Englsih investment.
And why are you askling 'why is there a problem with that'? EM's just proved that the claims made by scots were false ones to the patent and copywrite as they were very possibly stolen, much akin to the great rock songs stolen by white musicians from their black counterparts in the early 20th Century.
Be proud of who you are, but at least try and realise that history is not as correct as we're led to believe. |
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fiddlestix
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| Fern wrote: | | fiddlestix wrote: | | Fern wrote: | | Orwellian_Logic wrote: | While I disagree in EM's putting of the question, much of what is considered about Scotland is false. I say this as a scotsman who has studied histories and EM is quite correct in what he has written. Why should I be offended? Because I'm Scottish? Nope, not in the slightest, I'm an honest man and if their is skullduggery in Scotland's past over the claiming of inventions then I'd rather see the wrong rooted out and precedence given to the true person behind the creation of said technologies.
Scotland is not the place many think it is. Scotland is riddled with lies and deceits and although there may have been many Scots that have done good things, they have been vastly outnumbered by the English.
There is also another lie about the Scots that they are keen to hold onto and that is the 'fear' factor of the warriors in the 2nd World War. The germans 'DID NOT' fear the scots but instead they feared the Africans more. This was recently discussed in an article a couple of months back by a historian.
My fellow countrymen have certainly proved themselves in many situations on the field of combat, but regards to this post it shows how lies have been riddled throughout Scottish culture and rightly so they are now debunked.
Good post EM. |
Your arrogance is quite astounding...
You actually believe that well documented historical and academic facts can be overturned by two pseudo blinkered politicians on a chat forum.
You render me speechless and that does not happen often. |
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runskippyrun
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England sorted the scottish out, therefore they are the victors:
History is written by the victors.”
Winston Churchill quotes (British Orator, Author and Prime Minister during World War II. 1874-1965)
so, that is why it is the way it is |
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Arthur Twosheds
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hahahahahahahahaha
reading through old threads is the fucking height of saddoe territory - you sad cu-nt
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Go on then EM, I'll bite! Explain how that one works? I'm sure it is almost universal on internet forums, to try and get a feel for the place before making your first post, although I'll admit it is not my style. I can tend to jump in feet first a bit. But section8, if he is a genuine 'noob', is just following net etiquette. |
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Fern
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 5:24 pm Post subject: Re: debunking the grandiose claims to fame of insecure scots |
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| Orwellian_Logic wrote: | | Fern wrote: | OL. The examples EM used in the first post are
A certain raincoat was patented by Charles MacIntosh of Glasgow, Scotland.
Dunlop tyres were invented by John Boyd Dunlop of Dreghorn, Scotland.
adhesive stamps by John Chambers of Dundee, Scotland.
Telephone was Invented by Alexander Graham Bell of Edinburgh, Scotland.
Television was invented by John Logie Baird of Helensburough, Scotland
Penicillin, was discovered by Alexander Flemming of Darvel, Scotland
Why is there a problem with that? |
Fern, our 'glorious' history is not so glorious.
For starters, the Black Watch are not a glorious Infantry Unit but instead the worst thing that ever happened to Scotland as they were set up by the English to patrol the Highlands and arrest Jacobites intent on gaining independence over the English and yet we are told of The Black Watches glorious past where it's founding reasons were not quite so.
Now don't get me wrong I will not for one minute denounce the bravery of my scots ancestors, but one thing EM mentioned that Scottish discoveries were only possible through serious Englsih investment.
And why are you askling 'why is there a problem with that'? EM's just proved that the claims made by scots were false ones to the patent and copywrite as they were very possibly stolen, much akin to the great rock songs stolen by white musicians from their black counterparts in the early 20th Century.
Be proud of who you are, but at least try and realise that history is not as correct as we're led to believe. |
I was not referring to military history, but the facts above. EM's 'fact's found through his net sources, will not convince me that the above is a falsehood. Edinburgh, was a centre of medical excellence at Surgeons Hall in 18c and Alexander Flemings findings are well documented for example. |
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Orwellian_Logic
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| runskippyrun wrote: | England sorted the scottish out, therefore they are the victors:
History is written by the victors.”
Winston Churchill quotes (British Orator, Author and Prime Minister during World War II. 1874-1965)
so, that is why it is the way it is |
Now, I'll actually educate you for once as it seems you are void of that.
When Wallace marched down and sacked York he could have marched on to London and taken it as there was no strong enough resistance to the Scots by the English. The only reason that England beat the Scots was because they bought off the Lords. The Scots not only fought against the English but also their own because the Scots followed their leader regardless.
So you see, when it came to a one on one fight between the English and the scots, throughout history, the scots always won. In fact heavily outnumbered at the battle of Stirling, they beat the English although outnumbered 5-1.
Had Wallace united all the clans of Scotland in the late 13th and early 14th Centuries in Scotland. England would have fallen. Simply put, the English were no match for the agressive, warrior, Scots, one on one and only won because Scottish Clans were not united. England then was weak as it is now. And the elite control the few, that has not changed. |
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Orwellian_Logic
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 6:00 pm Post subject: Re: debunking the grandiose claims to fame of insecure scots |
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I was not referring to military history, but the facts above. EM's 'fact's found through his net sources, will not convince me that the above is a falsehood. Edinburgh, was a centre of medical excellence at Surgeons Hall in 18c and Alexander Flemings findings are well documented for example. |
I am not disputing Scottish brilliance in the fields of science, medicine and engineering. However the funding of all scottish projects was majority backed by English tax payer's money and wealthy institutions. Scotland's education system has always been top notch, but I'm just saying that not all you are told to believe is true about our history. It's worth noting that. I have everything to lose as a Scotsman, but I'm an honest man and would never feel good knowing my ancestors lied about their inventions. |
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| Section8 wrote: | | .? wrote: | | Section8 wrote: | | .? wrote: | | .? wrote: | | Section8 wrote: | | Do you actually spend time worrying about who invented what, em? You strike me as as a bit of a saddo, but this takes the biscuit. You need a hobby. Maybe you should take your wee pet ammie for a walk, I noticed she came running along behind you into the thread, tongue hanging out and wee eyes gazing up at you adoringly. Ready to back you up even though she rarely seems to know what's actually going on. Now that's devotion. |
awwwwww - why thanks for your concern - im really very touched
are you another insecure scottie |
and my my my
you are just a newbie an all - been here a whole week and a bit and already know me so well - thats touching given that i have been in hospital since you joined - or are you yet another gutless one hiding behind a new login
bless
its sorta cute really |
No, not insecure; you won't find ME posting threads insulting every-one who isn't the same as me, unlike you em, defender of all things english.
And no, I (thankfully) don't know you em, but having spent some time reading old threads I certainly have gained some insight into who is who in this forum. |
hahahahahahahahaha
reading through old threads is the fucking height of saddoe territory - you sad cu-nt
at least have the balls to own up to being a multi |
I'm sure you'd love to believe that ever poster who thinks you're a tool is actually the same couple of people using multi logins.
I'm not sure what's so sad about looking through some old threads to find out who the forum buffoon is; I found out in half an hour what it might otherwise have taken me days to find out; you're the local ill informed imbecile who spouts forth on every subject imaginable, whilst having no more than a primary school level grasp of what you're talking about. |
hahahahahaha
you sad sad sad c-unt
looking through old threads - what a fucking plank
of course you are a newbie - even looked up that i am called em
sad sad spineless tool
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Ceejayo
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| Arthur Twosheds wrote: | | .? wrote: |
hahahahahahahahaha
reading through old threads is the fucking height of saddoe territory - you sad cu-nt
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Go on then EM, I'll bite! Explain how that one works? I'm sure it is almost universal on internet forums, to try and get a feel for the place before making your first post, although I'll admit it is not my style. I can tend to jump in feet first a bit. But section8, if he is a genuine 'noob', is just following net etiquette. |
I'm still waiting EM. |
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 6:23 pm Post subject: Re: debunking the grandiose claims to fame of insecure scots |
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| Orwellian_Logic wrote: | | Fern wrote: |
I was not referring to military history, but the facts above. EM's 'fact's found through his net sources, will not convince me that the above is a falsehood. Edinburgh, was a centre of medical excellence at Surgeons Hall in 18c and Alexander Flemings findings are well documented for example. |
I am not disputing Scottish brilliance in the fields of science, medicine and engineering. However the funding of all scottish projects was majority backed by English tax payer's money and wealthy institutions. Scotland's education system has always been top notch, but I'm just saying that not all you are told to believe is true about our history. It's worth noting that. I have everything to lose as a Scotsman, but I'm an honest man and would never feel good knowing my ancestors lied about their inventions. |
and i have not sought to deny scot contributions and greatness - i have merely pointed out that the stupid claims made by MT were in the main totally incorrect
dont shoot the messenger if you cant cope with the message |
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| Ceejayo wrote: | | Arthur Twosheds wrote: | | .? wrote: |
hahahahahahahahaha
reading through old threads is the fucking height of saddoe territory - you sad cu-nt
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Go on then EM, I'll bite! Explain how that one works? I'm sure it is almost universal on internet forums, to try and get a feel for the place before making your first post, although I'll admit it is not my style. I can tend to jump in feet first a bit. But section8, if he is a genuine 'noob', is just following net etiquette. |
I'm still waiting EM. |
still waiting for what
oh i see - no im not so sad as to ever trawl back through old threads when joining any forum
jump in feet first i say |
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Orwellian_Logic
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 6:40 pm Post subject: Re: debunking the grandiose claims to fame of insecure scots |
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| .? wrote: | | Orwellian_Logic wrote: | | Fern wrote: |
I was not referring to military history, but the facts above. EM's 'fact's found through his net sources, will not convince me that the above is a falsehood. Edinburgh, was a centre of medical excellence at Surgeons Hall in 18c and Alexander Flemings findings are well documented for example. |
I am not disputing Scottish brilliance in the fields of science, medicine and engineering. However the funding of all scottish projects was majority backed by English tax payer's money and wealthy institutions. Scotland's education system has always been top notch, but I'm just saying that not all you are told to believe is true about our history. It's worth noting that. I have everything to lose as a Scotsman, but I'm an honest man and would never feel good knowing my ancestors lied about their inventions. |
and i have not sought to deny scot contributions and greatness - i have merely pointed out that the stupid claims made by MT were in the main totally incorrect
dont shoot the messenger if you cant cope with the message |
EM, you need to go back a page and see my 'INITIAL' reply to your thread. |
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just read it OL
i would be more than happy to acknowledge some real scottish achievements though - just not pretend ones |
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Orwellian_Logic
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| .? wrote: | just read it OL
i would be more than happy to acknowledge some real scottish achievements though - just not pretend ones |
EM, read page 2 and my first reply so you see where I stand. You are getting your wires crossed here and I am agreeing with you. |
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runskippyrun
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| Orwellian_Logic wrote: | | runskippyrun wrote: | England sorted the scottish out, therefore they are the victors:
History is written by the victors.”
Winston Churchill quotes (British Orator, Author and Prime Minister during World War II. 1874-1965)
so, that is why it is the way it is |
Now, I'll actually educate you for once as it seems you are void of that.
When Wallace marched down and sacked York he could have marched on to London and taken it as there was no strong enough resistance to the Scots by the English. The only reason that England beat the Scots was because they bought off the Lords. The Scots not only fought against the English but also their own because the Scots followed their leader regardless.
So you see, when it came to a one on one fight between the English and the scots, throughout history, the scots always won. In fact heavily outnumbered at the battle of Stirling, they beat the English although outnumbered 5-1.
Had Wallace united all the clans of Scotland in the late 13th and early 14th Centuries in Scotland. England would have fallen. Simply put, the English were no match for the agressive, warrior, Scots, one on one and only won because Scottish Clans were not united. England then was weak as it is now. And the elite control the few, that has not changed. |
and therein lies the problem. He knew if he worked more than 16 hours a week it would mess his benefits up!
Its a big IF, and it never happened. BTW were you there? Cos' I think that Wallace couldn't get any further because he knew he would lose if he marched further.
It is all in the past, there is nowt you can do to change history. |
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Ceejayo
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| runskippyrun wrote: | | Orwellian_Logic wrote: | | runskippyrun wrote: | England sorted the scottish out, therefore they are the victors:
History is written by the victors.”
Winston Churchill quotes (British Orator, Author and Prime Minister during World War II. 1874-1965)
so, that is why it is the way it is |
Now, I'll actually educate you for once as it seems you are void of that.
When Wallace marched down and sacked York he could have marched on to London and taken it as there was no strong enough resistance to the Scots by the English. The only reason that England beat the Scots was because they bought off the Lords. The Scots not only fought against the English but also their own because the Scots followed their leader regardless.
So you see, when it came to a one on one fight between the English and the scots, throughout history, the scots always won. In fact heavily outnumbered at the battle of Stirling, they beat the English although outnumbered 5-1.
Had Wallace united all the clans of Scotland in the late 13th and early 14th Centuries in Scotland. England would have fallen. Simply put, the English were no match for the agressive, warrior, Scots, one on one and only won because Scottish Clans were not united. England then was weak as it is now. And the elite control the few, that has not changed. |
and therein lies the problem. He knew if he worked more than 16 hours a week it would mess his benefits up!
Its a big IF, and it never happened. BTW were you there? Cos' I think that Wallace couldn't get any further because he knew he would lose if he marched further.
It is all in the past, there is nowt you can do to change history. |
I know. I was wondering at the relevance of that little wander down memory lane??? |
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Orwellian_Logic
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| runskippyrun wrote: | | Orwellian_Logic wrote: | | runskippyrun wrote: | England sorted the scottish out, therefore they are the victors:
History is written by the victors.”
Winston Churchill quotes (British Orator, Author and Prime Minister during World War II. 1874-1965)
so, that is why it is the way it is |
Now, I'll actually educate you for once as it seems you are void of that.
When Wallace marched down and sacked York he could have marched on to London and taken it as there was no strong enough resistance to the Scots by the English. The only reason that England beat the Scots was because they bought off the Lords. The Scots not only fought against the English but also their own because the Scots followed their leader regardless.
So you see, when it came to a one on one fight between the English and the scots, throughout history, the scots always won. In fact heavily outnumbered at the battle of Stirling, they beat the English although outnumbered 5-1.
Had Wallace united all the clans of Scotland in the late 13th and early 14th Centuries in Scotland. England would have fallen. Simply put, the English were no match for the agressive, warrior, Scots, one on one and only won because Scottish Clans were not united. England then was weak as it is now. And the elite control the few, that has not changed. |
and therein lies the problem. He knew if he worked more than 16 hours a week it would mess his benefits up!
Its a big IF, and it never happened. BTW were you there? Cos' I think that Wallace couldn't get any further because he knew he would lose if he marched further.
It is all in the past, there is nowt you can do to change history. |
You really haven't a clue do you?
The English were no match for the scots, if the clans had been united and the only reason why the English won at Culloden Moor was because of betrayal amongst the Scots to fight on the side of the English.
I suggest you read history, boy. In fact, I suggest you read full stop. |
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im that insecure, i cant even read this thread.
*puts fingers back in ears* |
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runskippyrun
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| Orwellian_Logic wrote: | | runskippyrun wrote: | | Orwellian_Logic wrote: | | runskippyrun wrote: | England sorted the scottish out, therefore they are the victors:
History is written by the victors.”
Winston Churchill quotes (British Orator, Author and Prime Minister during World War II. 1874-1965)
so, that is why it is the way it is |
Now, I'll actually educate you for once as it seems you are void of that.
When Wallace marched down and sacked York he could have marched on to London and taken it as there was no strong enough resistance to the Scots by the English. The only reason that England beat the Scots was because they bought off the Lords. The Scots not only fought against the English but also their own because the Scots followed their leader regardless.
So you see, when it came to a one on one fight between the English and the scots, throughout history, the scots always won. In fact heavily outnumbered at the battle of Stirling, they beat the English although outnumbered 5-1.
Had Wallace united all the clans of Scotland in the late 13th and early 14th Centuries in Scotland. England would have fallen. Simply put, the English were no match for the agressive, warrior, Scots, one on one and only won because Scottish Clans were not united. England then was weak as it is now. And the elite control the few, that has not changed. |
and therein lies the problem. He knew if he worked more than 16 hours a week it would mess his benefits up!
Its a big IF, and it never happened. BTW were you there? Cos' I think that Wallace couldn't get any further because he knew he would lose if he marched further.
It is all in the past, there is nowt you can do to change history. |
You really haven't a clue do you?
The English were no match for the scots, if the clans had been united and the only reason why the English won at Culloden Moor was because of betrayal amongst the Scots to fight on the side of the English.
I suggest you read history, boy. In fact, I suggest you read full stop. |
hm, OL, you seem to have a large chip on each shoulder. there are a lot of ifs that didn't happen. so therefore Wallace didn't make it Londo. So the Scots got decimated by the Poms (you are arguing with a non pom) and England went on to become a world Leader. No Scottish Leaders have amounted to much have they? Robert the Bruce, Broon, the alky Lib Dem leader. So my BOY, stop living the past, look to the future, and maybe be less antagonistic to your peers. You might know an awful lot, but you don't know it all. |
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| Orwellian_Logic wrote: | | .? wrote: | just read it OL
i would be more than happy to acknowledge some real scottish achievements though - just not pretend ones |
EM, read page 2 and my first reply so you see where I stand. You are getting your wires crossed here and I am agreeing with you. |
nope - i see exactly where you are coming from - we are in agreement
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runskippyrun
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| Orwellian_Logic wrote: | | runskippyrun wrote: | | Orwellian_Logic wrote: | | runskippyrun wrote: | England sorted the scottish out, therefore they are the victors:
History is written by the victors.”
Winston Churchill quotes (British Orator, Author and Prime Minister during World War II. 1874-1965)
so, that is why it is the way it is |
Now, I'll actually educate you for once as it seems you are void of that.
When Wallace marched down and sacked York he could have marched on to London and taken it as there was no strong enough resistance to the Scots by the English. The only reason that England beat the Scots was because they bought off the Lords. The Scots not only fought against the English but also their own because the Scots followed their leader regardless.
So you see, when it came to a one on one fight between the English and the scots, throughout history, the scots always won. In fact heavily outnumbered at the battle of Stirling, they beat the English although outnumbered 5-1.
Had Wallace united all the clans of Scotland in the late 13th and early 14th Centuries in Scotland. England would have fallen. Simply put, the English were no match for the agressive, warrior, Scots, one on one and only won because Scottish Clans were not united. England then was weak as it is now. And the elite control the few, that has not changed. |
and therein lies the problem. He knew if he worked more than 16 hours a week it would mess his benefits up!
Its a big IF, and it never happened. BTW were you there? Cos' I think that Wallace couldn't get any further because he knew he would lose if he marched further.
It is all in the past, there is nowt you can do to change history. |
You really haven't a clue do you?
The English were no match for the scots, if the clans had been united and the only reason why the English won at Culloden Moor was because of betrayal amongst the Scots to fight on the side of the English.
I suggest you read history, boy. In fact, I suggest you read full stop. |
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| Vibrance wrote: | im that insecure, i cant even read this thread.
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| Vibrance wrote: | im that insecure, i cant even read this thread.
*puts fingers back in ears* |
Don't use your pinkie, I know where thats been!!!!!!!!! |
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