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shirt-n-tie-boy

Joined: 13 Jun 2008 Posts: 85 Location: Lothian, Scotland
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:25 am Post subject: John Lesley - Smoke n Fire or easy target? |
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John Lesley is denying another rape allegation. Just how many times is that he has been accused of various sexual assaults?
As far as I am aware he has never actually been found guilty of any sexual assault related offences. I am also a big believer in innocent until proven guilty.
So do you think there is no smoke without fire? Or is John Lesley just an easy target who unfairly gets a hard time of it. |
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fiddlestix

Joined: 20 Oct 2007 Posts: 5065 Location: closer than you think
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:35 am Post subject: |
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I believe in innocent till proven guilty too but it's a fact that rape is one of the hardest things to prove. Why does this keep turning up?  |
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rodneyT

Joined: 20 Apr 2006 Posts: 473 Location: looking for a hot slim babe!!!
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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| the poor mans probably done nothing and some silly tart is out to get a name for herself. okmabi titmass wasnt 'done over' but look at her she was a nothing until les boy appeared in her pants. |
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Panda Bear

Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 1097 Location: Edinburgh-ish
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Rape is quite hard to disprove too. |
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Thally

Joined: 19 Mar 2007 Posts: 9632 Location: Edinburgh
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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Hang the fckr ..............
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fiddlestix

Joined: 20 Oct 2007 Posts: 5065 Location: closer than you think
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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| THE END. |
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Hi again

Joined: 10 Sep 2007 Posts: 5317 Location: Edinburgh Scotland
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:43 am Post subject: |
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| Actually, the FIRST time he was accused, my son, who works as a doorman said he (John Leslie, not my son!) was always pawing at women's intimate places in bars and several of them had complained about him so I think there is some likliehood................... |
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badjesse

Joined: 15 Mar 2008 Posts: 125
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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| I've seen him out in edinburgh a few times and he always struck me as a bit of a sex pest... |
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Panda Bear

Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 1097 Location: Edinburgh-ish
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm always suspicious when women take so long to complain. It doesn't help their case at all. |
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shirt-n-tie-boy

Joined: 13 Jun 2008 Posts: 85 Location: Lothian, Scotland
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Panda Bear wrote: | | I'm always suspicious when women take so long to complain. It doesn't help their case at all. |
I said exactly the same thing to my partner when we were talking about it the other night. Of course there are cases where the women struggle to cope and emotionally block it and don't complain, but I find it odd this particular woman didn't take past opportunities to speak up at the same time as other women who made claims. |
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hypnoscot

Joined: 27 Jan 2007 Posts: 242 Location: Contact me at gmail: pleasureprincipal
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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Legally it may be hard to make it stick. Like many rape cases, it's very hard to prove when it's one person's word against another, particularly after a long delay.
But I think the court of public opinion (other than similar macho numbskulls) will have made up its mind that, on balance, he's almost certainly guilty as hell. The fact he's clearly such an unpleasant bullying arrogant character certainly doesn't help his case, and such a temperament usually derives from basic feelings of emotional insecurity which are also strongly associated with sexual violence. He'd certainly be a long LONG way down my dinner party list. |
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Joined: 25 Mar 2006 Posts: 15537
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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| why should he have to be named but the accuser remains anonymous |
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wobblekins

Joined: 18 Apr 2008 Posts: 5054 Location: North by Northwest
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Ulrika should have prosecuted |
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Joined: 25 Mar 2006 Posts: 15537
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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| seems a bit rich to throw an accusation like this after what is it - 13 yrs |
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Panda Bear

Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 1097 Location: Edinburgh-ish
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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| hypnoscot wrote: |
But I think the court of public opinion (other than similar macho numbskulls) will have made up its mind that, on balance, he's almost certainly guilty as hell. |
In some retarded people's minds he may be. But those of us who look for proper evidence find it hard to see anything against him after such a long time I'm afraid. |
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shirt-n-tie-boy

Joined: 13 Jun 2008 Posts: 85 Location: Lothian, Scotland
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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| .? wrote: | | why should he have to be named but the accuser remains anonymous |
As I understand it (correct me if I am wrong), but he did not and was not supposed to be named, but police information was leaked to the media.
You raise a great point about the naming of the accused, thats probably another matter of opinion thread for another day! |
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prufrock

Joined: 07 May 2008 Posts: 111
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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I dont see the fact that the girl waited 13 years is a problem except in the evidential aspect. But that favours the accused not the victim. i.e. if memories are blurred .
Leslie is priapic to excess, but hes no rapist.
The truth is the police now feel obliged to investigate with due diligence any allegation of rape etc, and the judiciary feel that cases should go to trial even when common sense would indicate otherwise.
If you wonder why so many rapists are cleared attend a high court trial or two, most of the time its just another case of two drunks staggering home in the rain from some club or party,
if this case goes to court I suspect the encounter will have commenced in a club or a party. Both parties will have been paralytic, just a gu |
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hypnoscot

Joined: 27 Jan 2007 Posts: 242 Location: Contact me at gmail: pleasureprincipal
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Panda Bear wrote: | | hypnoscot wrote: |
But I think the court of public opinion (other than similar macho numbskulls) will have made up its mind that, on balance, he's almost certainly guilty as hell. |
In some retarded people's minds he may be. But those of us who look for proper evidence find it hard to see anything against him after such a long time I'm afraid. |
You've seen the evidence? Blimey, I'm way out of my depth if debating with someone who has direct access to the witness statements, forensic samples, etc. Or is the truth that you're just going on filtered reports and hearsay like the rest of us?
Anyway, I disagree profoundly with your position. I think it's absolutely right that our legal system should require proof beyond reasonable doubt before convicting and punishing anyone. But there's no question that a lot of guilty people slip through the net due to that very high bar... and this applies to rape cases more than most. So just as I'll make my own judgements about whether a politician is a lying bastard or corrupt, regardless of whether this can be absolutely proved to legal standards, so I'll make my own mind up based on common sense and experience whether individuals accused of criminal acts are likely to be guilty or not. And I think it's utterly just -- even if only a form of rough justice -- that the public at large should do likewise. Many conscience-free bastards get away with terrible things by knowing and playing the law's weaknesses. I think it's important that even as they're allowed to remain free, they at least meet a degree of social ostracism from people who have looked at the balance of probability and judge them on that basis. |
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Hi again

Joined: 10 Sep 2007 Posts: 5317 Location: Edinburgh Scotland
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:21 am Post subject: |
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| wobblekins wrote: | | Ulrika should have prosecuted |
AGREED! |
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rodneyT

Joined: 20 Apr 2006 Posts: 473 Location: looking for a hot slim babe!!!
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 9:15 am Post subject: |
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| all bollocks! 13years my arse..... what do these women expect coming forward 13years after the incident..... send them packing. its like me going back to my high school today and saying 13years ago the canteen charged me 50p for a plate of chips instead of 45p...ah p*** off would be the response. leslie is innocent...lets put her in front of a court for wasting time and causing distress to poor old L. |
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Joined: 25 Mar 2006 Posts: 15537
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 9:16 am Post subject: |
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| the simple fact is that if people are going to be named then the accuser should also be named |
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fiddlestix

Joined: 20 Oct 2007 Posts: 5065 Location: closer than you think
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:21 am Post subject: |
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| rodneyT wrote: | | all bollocks! 13years my arse..... what do these women expect coming forward 13years after the incident..... send them packing. its like me going back to my high school today and saying 13years ago the canteen charged me 50p for a plate of chips instead of 45p...ah p*** off would be the response. leslie is innocent...lets put her in front of a court for wasting time and causing distress to poor old L. |
Yes, of course. I can imagine the emotional scarring that would arise from being overcharged for a plate of chips. Rape victims of the world must surely empathise. |
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prufrock

Joined: 07 May 2008 Posts: 111
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Leslie lost his job because a mate of his went to the paper with pictures of him taking cocaine, the allegations of rape etc came after that. |
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rodneyT

Joined: 20 Apr 2006 Posts: 473 Location: looking for a hot slim babe!!!
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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| yeap to this very day i curse every canteen lady i see, and scream out 'how much are your bleeding chips'!? |
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Mr Page

Joined: 05 Dec 2007 Posts: 626 Location: up my own erse usually
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Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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| prufrock wrote: | I dont see the fact that the girl waited 13 years is a problem except in the evidential aspect. But that favours the accused not the victim. i.e. if memories are blurred .
Leslie is priapic to excess, but hes no rapist.
The truth is the police now feel obliged to investigate with due diligence any allegation of rape etc, and the judiciary feel that cases should go to trial even when common sense would indicate otherwise.
If you wonder why so many rapists are cleared attend a high court trial or two, most of the time its just another case of two drunks staggering home in the rain from some club or party,
if this case goes to court I suspect the encounter will have commenced in a club or a party. Both parties will have been paralytic, just a gu |
What do you base that statement on? |
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