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urinefacewash
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i'm writing something at the moment of post-traumatic subjectivity and indifference and this cropped up in my research:
| Quote: | | The lesson is thus the old Lacanian one: there is no big Other. The first to get it was Job - after Job is hit by calamities, his theological friends come, offering interpretations which render these calamities meaningful, and the greatness of Job is not so much to protest his innocence as to insist on the meaninglessness of his calamities (when God appears afterwards, he gives right to Job against the theological defenders of faith). The function of the three theological friends is to obfuscate the impact of the trauma with a symbolic semblance. |
are the 9/11 Fetishists not doing precisely the same thing as Job's theological friends... you seek to find the big Other- to point the finger of blame at some transcendent yet always efficiently immanent- in order to render the trauma of the 9/11 atrocity into something less than what it was... let's be clear...
9/11 was not a historical event, it did not produce a new world... 9/11 was not 9/11, which is just a media brand, the fact that these fetishists go along with it shows just how little they care for Truth, even as they nominate it as their's
what happened on the 19th of September 2001 was a pathetic, obsene, (and in the strict Freudian sense) perverted act of meaningless brutality... as much as it was an act of despair it was also, even more so, an act of absolute cowardice and naked murder
the attack of the twin towers was a real and powerful trauma to the American population... these fetishists are effectively slapping traumatised people about the face and telling them to snap out of it...which is simply not on |
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JFK
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| urinefacewash wrote: | i'm writing something at the moment of post-traumatic subjectivity and indifference and this cropped up in my research:
| Quote: | | The lesson is thus the old Lacanian one: there is no big Other. The first to get it was Job - after Job is hit by calamities, his theological friends come, offering interpretations which render these calamities meaningful, and the greatness of Job is not so much to protest his innocence as to insist on the meaninglessness of his calamities (when God appears afterwards, he gives right to Job against the theological defenders of faith). The function of the three theological friends is to obfuscate the impact of the trauma with a symbolic semblance. |
are the 9/11 Fetishists not doing precisely the same thing as Job's theological friends... you seek to find the big Other- to point the finger of blame at some transcendent yet always efficiently immanent- in order to render the trauma of the 9/11 atrocity into something less than what it was... let's be clear...
9/11 was not a historical event, it did not produce a new world... 9/11 was not 9/11, which is just a media brand, the fact that these fetishists go along with it shows just how little they care for Truth, even as they nominate it as their's
what happened on the 19th of September 2001 was a pathetic, obsene, (and in the strict Freudian sense) perverted act of meaningless brutality... as much as it was an act of despair it was also, even more so, an act of absolute cowardice and naked murder
the attack of the twin towers was a real and powerful trauma to the American population... these fetishists are effectively slapping traumatised people about the face and telling them to snap out of it...which is simply not on |
Actually it was the families of the victims which were the most traumatized which first started slapping faces resulting in the farce called the "911 commision report", the leaders of which stated after the fact that they"were set up to fail". |
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urinefacewash
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| JFK wrote: | | urinefacewash wrote: | i'm writing something at the moment of post-traumatic subjectivity and indifference and this cropped up in my research:
| Quote: | | The lesson is thus the old Lacanian one: there is no big Other. The first to get it was Job - after Job is hit by calamities, his theological friends come, offering interpretations which render these calamities meaningful, and the greatness of Job is not so much to protest his innocence as to insist on the meaninglessness of his calamities (when God appears afterwards, he gives right to Job against the theological defenders of faith). The function of the three theological friends is to obfuscate the impact of the trauma with a symbolic semblance. |
are the 9/11 Fetishists not doing precisely the same thing as Job's theological friends... you seek to find the big Other- to point the finger of blame at some transcendent yet always efficiently immanent- in order to render the trauma of the 9/11 atrocity into something less than what it was... let's be clear...
9/11 was not a historical event, it did not produce a new world... 9/11 was not 9/11, which is just a media brand, the fact that these fetishists go along with it shows just how little they care for Truth, even as they nominate it as their's
what happened on the 19th of September 2001 was a pathetic, obsene, (and in the strict Freudian sense) perverted act of meaningless brutality... as much as it was an act of despair it was also, even more so, an act of absolute cowardice and naked murder
the attack of the twin towers was a real and powerful trauma to the American population... these fetishists are effectively slapping traumatised people about the face and telling them to snap out of it...which is simply not on |
Actually it was the families of the victims which were the most traumatized which first started slapping faces resulting in the farce called the "911 commision report", the leaders of which stated after the fact that they"were set up to fail". |
nice shift of responsibility
they may have found failures, omissions and errancy in the report but did they jump to your ridiculous "the government dun it" conclusions?
i am yet to see anyone answer my one question to you fetishists... do you have solid evidence the US Government or a cabal therein plotted and had the 9/11 attacks carried out?
if not all you have is those same failures, omissions and errantsies |
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JFK
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| urinefacewash wrote: | | JFK wrote: | | urinefacewash wrote: | i'm writing something at the moment of post-traumatic subjectivity and indifference and this cropped up in my research:
| Quote: | | The lesson is thus the old Lacanian one: there is no big Other. The first to get it was Job - after Job is hit by calamities, his theological friends come, offering interpretations which render these calamities meaningful, and the greatness of Job is not so much to protest his innocence as to insist on the meaninglessness of his calamities (when God appears afterwards, he gives right to Job against the theological defenders of faith). The function of the three theological friends is to obfuscate the impact of the trauma with a symbolic semblance. |
are the 9/11 Fetishists not doing precisely the same thing as Job's theological friends... you seek to find the big Other- to point the finger of blame at some transcendent yet always efficiently immanent- in order to render the trauma of the 9/11 atrocity into something less than what it was... let's be clear...
9/11 was not a historical event, it did not produce a new world... 9/11 was not 9/11, which is just a media brand, the fact that these fetishists go along with it shows just how little they care for Truth, even as they nominate it as their's
what happened on the 19th of September 2001 was a pathetic, obsene, (and in the strict Freudian sense) perverted act of meaningless brutality... as much as it was an act of despair it was also, even more so, an act of absolute cowardice and naked murder
the attack of the twin towers was a real and powerful trauma to the American population... these fetishists are effectively slapping traumatised people about the face and telling them to snap out of it...which is simply not on |
Actually it was the families of the victims which were the most traumatized which first started slapping faces resulting in the farce called the "911 commision report", the leaders of which stated after the fact that they"were set up to fail". |
nice shift of responsibility
they may have found failures, omissions and errancy in the report but did they jump to your ridiculous "the government dun it" conclusions?
i am yet to see anyone answer my one question to you fetishists... do you have solid evidence the US Government or a cabal therein plotted and had the 9/11 attacks carried out?
if not all you have is those same failures, omissions and errantsies |
What we have proof of is that the "official story" is just that... A story.
We want the truth. |
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the beak
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| hmmmm_maybe wrote: | | From the trailer, you can see how everyone in power is trying to close ranks around the government's theory on 9/11. Some very brave people out there willing to put their freedoms and safety on the line, in order to get the truth out. Maybe one day they'll just release the CCTV footage from around the Pentagon and other locations. |
they have releasd footage of what happened, and it was suicidal muzzards.
and mr hmmmm you should educate your self on structual engineering instead of watching edited youtube videos. |
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JFK
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| the beak wrote: | | hmmmm_maybe wrote: | | From the trailer, you can see how everyone in power is trying to close ranks around the government's theory on 9/11. Some very brave people out there willing to put their freedoms and safety on the line, in order to get the truth out. Maybe one day they'll just release the CCTV footage from around the Pentagon and other locations. |
they have releasd footage of what happened, and it was suicidal muzzards.
and mr hmmmm you should educate your self on structual engineering instead of watching edited youtube videos. |
The only footage released shows nothing conclusive.... Let alone a 767.  |
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the beak
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| JFK wrote: | | the beak wrote: | | hmmmm_maybe wrote: | | From the trailer, you can see how everyone in power is trying to close ranks around the government's theory on 9/11. Some very brave people out there willing to put their freedoms and safety on the line, in order to get the truth out. Maybe one day they'll just release the CCTV footage from around the Pentagon and other locations. |
they have releasd footage of what happened, and it was suicidal muzzards.
and mr hmmmm you should educate your self on structual engineering instead of watching edited youtube videos. |
The only footage released shows nothing conclusive.... Let alone a 767. |
go to specsavers |
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JFK
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| the beak wrote: | | JFK wrote: | | the beak wrote: | | hmmmm_maybe wrote: | | From the trailer, you can see how everyone in power is trying to close ranks around the government's theory on 9/11. Some very brave people out there willing to put their freedoms and safety on the line, in order to get the truth out. Maybe one day they'll just release the CCTV footage from around the Pentagon and other locations. |
they have releasd footage of what happened, and it was suicidal muzzards.
and mr hmmmm you should educate your self on structual engineering instead of watching edited youtube videos. |
The only footage released shows nothing conclusive.... Let alone a 767. |
go to specsavers |
They brainwash you also ?
Show me one clip of a 767 hitting the Pentagon. |
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the beak
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| JFK wrote: | | the beak wrote: | | JFK wrote: | | the beak wrote: | | hmmmm_maybe wrote: | | From the trailer, you can see how everyone in power is trying to close ranks around the government's theory on 9/11. Some very brave people out there willing to put their freedoms and safety on the line, in order to get the truth out. Maybe one day they'll just release the CCTV footage from around the Pentagon and other locations. |
they have releasd footage of what happened, and it was suicidal muzzards.
and mr hmmmm you should educate your self on structual engineering instead of watching edited youtube videos. |
The only footage released shows nothing conclusive.... Let alone a 767. |
go to specsavers |
They brainwash you also ?
Show me one clip of a 767 hitting the Pentagon. |
look at the official footage, no good me posting a link as you and the dolly imbecile will say its fake.
also educate yourself on how a building can collapse as those did, things like when steel becomes unstable at certain tempratures.
people like hmmm are just properganda spreaders hoping to de-stabelise the west. in fact traitors who should be kicked out of this country. |
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JFK
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| the beak wrote: | | JFK wrote: | | the beak wrote: | | JFK wrote: | | the beak wrote: | | hmmmm_maybe wrote: | | From the trailer, you can see how everyone in power is trying to close ranks around the government's theory on 9/11. Some very brave people out there willing to put their freedoms and safety on the line, in order to get the truth out. Maybe one day they'll just release the CCTV footage from around the Pentagon and other locations. |
they have releasd footage of what happened, and it was suicidal muzzards.
and mr hmmmm you should educate your self on structual engineering instead of watching edited youtube videos. |
The only footage released shows nothing conclusive.... Let alone a 767. |
go to specsavers |
They brainwash you also ?
Show me one clip of a 767 hitting the Pentagon. |
look at the official footage, no good me posting a link as you and the dolly imbecile will say its fake.
also educate yourself on how a building can collapse as those did, things like when steel becomes unstable at certain tempratures.
people like hmmm are just properganda spreaders hoping to de-stabelise the west. in fact traitors who should be kicked out of this country. |
Already have, would you like the link ?
Why do you keep trying to bring the towers into this ? I am talking about the Pentagon. |
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| no one has yet answered whether the 'dont give a fuck' movement is bigger than the anti war or non truth movements |
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JFK
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JFK
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Can't do it, can you ?
Don't feel bad, I couldn't find it either.  |
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the beak
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| JFK wrote: | | the beak wrote: | | JFK wrote: | | the beak wrote: | | JFK wrote: | | the beak wrote: | | hmmmm_maybe wrote: | | From the trailer, you can see how everyone in power is trying to close ranks around the government's theory on 9/11. Some very brave people out there willing to put their freedoms and safety on the line, in order to get the truth out. Maybe one day they'll just release the CCTV footage from around the Pentagon and other locations. |
they have releasd footage of what happened, and it was suicidal muzzards.
and mr hmmmm you should educate your self on structual engineering instead of watching edited youtube videos. |
The only footage released shows nothing conclusive.... Let alone a 767. |
go to specsavers |
They brainwash you also ?
Show me one clip of a 767 hitting the Pentagon. |
look at the official footage, no good me posting a link as you and the dolly imbecile will say its fake.
also educate yourself on how a building can collapse as those did, things like when steel becomes unstable at certain tempratures.
people like hmmm are just properganda spreaders hoping to de-stabelise the west. in fact traitors who should be kicked out of this country. |
Already have, would you like the link ?
Why do you keep trying to bring the towers into this ? I am talking about the Pentagon. |
part of it,muzzards did it full stop. |
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the pentagon was hit by a plane
it would have been impossible to stage a conspiracy when thousands of people drive past every hour every day |
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JFK
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| .? wrote: | the pentagon was hit by a plane
it would have been impossible to stage a conspiracy when thousands of people drive past every hour every day |
If it was, why do they not release the tapes ?
There are 85 which came up "responsive" to a FOIA request asking for video footage of the pentagon impact.
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6xXKesXx9
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You are getting worse then the penguin ffs!  |
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JFK
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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| 6xXKesXx9 wrote: | | You are getting worse then the penguin ffs! |
Why is that ? Because I am using official documents to make my point ? |
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JFK
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| JFK wrote: | | 6xXKesXx9 wrote: | | You are getting worse then the penguin ffs! |
Why is that ? Because I am using official documents to make my point ? |
* Edit to add - I want to believe.... I really do.  |
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6xXKesXx9
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*Yawns and exits thread*  |
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MULTI Paul O' gasm
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It would seem that only one of three possible scenarios could explain what you are claiming:
1: The Pentagon & WTC attacks were both the work of the US Govt.
2: The US Govt saw what was going on & chucked a plane at the Pentagon for good measure.
3: It was a coincidence that Mussie scum attacked the same day as the US Govt faked an attack.
During the cold war there were several very close calls in which monitoring systems reported that the Russians had attacked the US and vice versa.
Thank fuck we didn't have JFK in charge on any of those occasions, he would have said "Oh no, this data says we've just been hit by an atom bomb, launch a retaliatory strike" instead of saying "Hmm, this data says we've been blown up by the commies but we're still here. Perhaps data is only as good as those that read it, ". |
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JFK
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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| MULTI Paul O' gasm wrote: | It would seem that only one of three possible scenarios could explain what you are claiming:
1: The Pentagon & WTC attacks were both the work of the US Govt.
2: The US Govt saw what was going on & chucked a plane at the Pentagon for good measure.
3: It was a coincidence that Mussie scum attacked the same day as the US Govt faked an attack.
During the cold war there were several very close calls in which monitoring systems reported that the Russians had attacked the US and vice versa.
Thank fuck we didn't have JFK in charge on any of those occasions, he would have said "Oh no, this data says we've just been hit by an atom bomb, launch a retaliatory strike" instead of saying "Hmm, this data says we've been blown up by the commies but we're still here. Perhaps data is only as good as those that read it, ". |
Actually JFK was within minutes of starting WW3 with the Russian.... via Nukes. |
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MULTI Paul O' gasm
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| Cuban missile crisis? |
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JFK
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| JFK wrote: | | .? wrote: | the pentagon was hit by a plane
it would have been impossible to stage a conspiracy when thousands of people drive past every hour every day |
If it was, why do they not release the tapes ?
Er,because it's the Pentagon?
There are 85 which came up "responsive" to a FOIA request asking for video footage of the pentagon impact.
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