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Bluey
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| username22 wrote: | | Bluey wrote: |
So though this forum (and I suppose the general population) are negative about benefit claimants,
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Never ignore public feeling, leave that to the politicians! |
There is a common sentiment around the notion of the 'deserving poor' where people are in favour of the safety net of benefits but argue that some people don't deserve them or must demonstrate that they will reciprocate in some way.
But while many benefits are means tested, they don't have the same moral criteria so a lot of the arguments here are empty - people get benefits when they are eligible, full stop.
Here is a study of peoples attitudes in America towards welfare claimants.
Steve Farkas and Jean Robinson (The Values We Live By) note that, by more than four to one, Americans say the most upsetting thing about welfare is that “it encourages people to adopt the wrong lifestyle and values,” not that “it costs to much tax money.”
68% said (59% of welfare recipients) that welfare is “passed on from generation to generation, creating a permanent underclass.”
70% (71% of welfare recipients) said welfare makes it “financially better for people to stay on welfare than to get a job.”
57% (62% of welfare recipients) think welfare encourages “people to be lazy” and 60% (64% of welfare recipients) say the welfare system “encourages people to have kids out of wedlock.” |
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faintrainbow
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| You're the reason I quit my last job. Loads of bitter twisted women taking it out on everyone and anyone, all because their relationship went wrong. Further more, I don't appreciate you calling anyone a "slut" regardless of what they have done to you. It is inappropriate for this forum. |
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username22
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| faintrainbow wrote: | | You're the reason I quit my last job. Loads of bitter twisted women taking it out on everyone and anyone, all because their relationship went wrong. Further more, I don't appreciate you calling anyone a "slut" regardless of what they have done to you. It is inappropriate for this forum. |
Who's this aimed at??? |
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buzzme
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| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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| There's enough hate people...time for some love, u keep your head up darling, tough times don't last but tough people do... u'll be alright, u'll see |
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rooke
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:45 pm Post subject: sizzler.. |
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thanks for comment, i was a single parent for 4years and i got a lot of help, thats why i said that because i've been there, and it wasn't directed at anyone other than the government, the simple fact of it is, the girl who strted this thread didn't actually ask for advise she just went on about how hard done by she is, im a counseller and i worked in prisons for many years some of the sob storys you hre are silly, i do alot of charity work and have seen some devestating sights that would make all the people on here feeling sorry for themselves hang there heads.
My point as a couple we don't get anything, it makes it very hard for 2 people in a relationship get by but there is nothing much we can o, my partner could do more over time, but i wouldn't behappy not having family time andi personally don't think its fair for him not to see his children either, finding a balance is difficult, for both couples/singles, for everyone else, plumber... you are absolutly right about why should the money come fro tax payers, but lets face it they would only give it to something else rather than reduce our tax, and i'm hoping my kids use there money wisely, only time will tell.
Everyone else,,, cn i just say idon't think its fair for evryone to give men such a har time. if a relationship breaks down 9 times out of 10 the mn will leave the family home, so this means they have walked out on there partner,,,,, ok the alternative he A, Stays in he house but livs apart, or B, he kicks you out.... evey tim i have an argument with my flla ill say get out, and he says why should i get out i pay half the bills,,, and he's right... for all thre are some scums out there who walk away from children, and you know what, its them who will miss out not the woman why should we say ohhh he left me alone, he abandoned me... correction he abandoned the kid,,, not you.. there are alot of good men out there, who can't see there kids coz there ex is bitter, and planty who do bother with there kids, and hundreds fighting to see them, and may i point out woman are jus as bad for cheating ect,,,, its legally the mothers responsibility to care for children unless thereare married to the dad and a few other things. this i beleive is a stupid rule, both parents should be legal guardians,,,with out the worms theres no egg if you getwhat i mean.. everyone has there own opinion on wether woman should stay at home or go to work, but its everyone agreed it would be a sad world. woman never used to have a say this whole equal rights thing,, now we have and all i here is he did this its his fault ect,, we are all rsponsible for our own actions, and what happens happens life goes on and will continue going on regardless of what happens in life,, ill sa it again. be greatful and happy for what you have got. |
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SAM1981
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| Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 2:57 pm Post subject: bennefits |
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Hi there sorry to hear about the problems your having trying to find work. My partner has been looking for work for the last yr and he is still stuck in his dead end job. I thought I may be able to offer some advice Ila allow you to pay off courses and can offer you £200 off a course also have you thought of going into care? its rewarding work and good money as well. I started in care god a long time ago when I was a single parent and have been a single parent for 9 yrs so I know exactly what you are going threw however I am now a care co ordinator and earn a good wage all training is provided and the hours can be flexible especially where children are concerned. I have just had another baby on 18th Jan and my work are being very supportive towards me. If you would like to know more about the care industry pls get in touch I am also a trainer and will be happy to help you. sam  |
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toastiest
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Advice?
Ok basically why the working people are so pissed off is simple...you know these people who have worked lets say 35 - 40 years of there LIFE have no pension when time comes around to cash in...why? because all these cheating scum have been given the majority of the money by the government.
Would you not be pissed off to?
Another reason is there are so many people who cheat the system, i am 19 and not on benefits! I am looking my arse off for a job but cannot find one anywhere, my parents who im living with have worked there arse off for 35 years each atleast and are in danger of loosing the house because my old man (chippy) has not been getting enough work in to cover the bills etc. What will happen?
All the interest etc my parents have been paying on this house for the past 20 years goes to the government which then goes to scum, the druggies, the theives, the rapists etc. Every item they have purchased which they have had to pay etc on ie interest, this then goes straight into the backpockets of the f**king cheateing lazy scum.
I had a mate who does exactly this, he is on benefits, claiming everything he can, he has a 54 reg car, a two bedroom flat and has all his f**king bills paid for!!!
Now to the original post, if you mean that you will not be able to afford to have a life if you have to work ie you mean you will not be able to go out partying the weekend...then tough f**king sh*t, you should think before you have a kid if you can support him/her, even if your partner decides to do a runner.
Why should people like my parents and the majority of this country support people like you who! Please tell me!
I wonder how many of you people here took the day off work because of the recent snow?
And another thing, why the hell are these immigrants here? I remember that they came over to do the jobs british people didnt want to do :S
And here i am like many other people on my arse not earning a penny because "i dont want to do a job like that"
Country is a f**king JOKE!! |
Look, if someone waved 5000 pounds in your face, would you take it? All that's required is you sign on this dotted line.
I know most people would.
Then put into the mix that if you fit into category x you are entitled to £x... this put a sense of entitlement into people's minds. They think yeah we'll we are entitled to this money rather than feel grateful that someone has donated their money to help them. Then they do not feel a sense of needing to repay that person back or work harder to make something of themselves, because what the hell, I was entitled to that!
Look at the tv program about the millionaires donating their money to groups in need. Imagine if instead of having the money handed to them personally, they are all of a sudden put into a group that was entitled to claim that amount of money from the government, I do not think that they would be *as* appreciative and work as hard to succeed - because they are going to think that they are just like everyone else in the group and entitled to that money. They do not feel cared for in the same way.
As I have said before, the problem is with the system. The problem is that the benefits exist at all.
The problem is not this woman or anyone else on benefits.
Yeah I think some people are lazy and not worth my time, but not because they take benefits, but because they are lazy and have not even tried to find a job. That's a different thing all together.
Even if the benefits system did not exist I would still think that they were lazy.
SO many people in the UK whine about how oh so and so is taking advantage and taking all my money.
The fact is those people on benefits do not take your money.
The government take your parent's money, then hands it out as it pleases.
The only person who held you at gunpoint to take your money is the government.
Lastly, please jump off of that high horse. The only reason you are not on benefits is because you are living off of your parents. If you did not have anywhere to live and no money to buy food, I am damn sure you will be on benefits! |
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rooke
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| Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:06 pm Post subject: BRUMMY LAD GROW UP |
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| Who are you to comment, calling her scum. first of all any one on benefits with kids is not lazy do you know how hard it is to look after a kid! its not a 9-5job its a full time job and bloody hard... she said she was looking for work, she didn't say she was sitting on her arse doing nothing because the government pay.. you have no idea,you live off your parents you haven't lived in the world of financial stress and you wouldn't know how to struggle.. maybe your dad wouldn't be so hard up if he wasn't paying for your lazy arse that as you said is doing nothing... your a child and you can't blame people on benefits for your dads interest lol you have no idea how it works do you,,, you also say your mate does this so tell m if you hate is so much why is he your mate... you are 19, unemployed, live at home getting your backside wiped for you and you think you have a right to comment, and call people the way you do. i know the world at the minuet is hard and jobs are little and few, but you are telling me you are single with no commitments and you cant find a job... whatever you aren't looking that hard there are hundreds of jobs out there if you are willing to work the hours, and you have nothing stopping you doing the hours, so thats a load of crap. |
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username22
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| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:31 pm Post subject: Re: BRUMMY LAD GROW UP |
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| rooke wrote: |
you have no idea,you live off your parents you haven't lived in the world of financial stress and you wouldn't know how to struggle.. maybe your dad wouldn't be so hard up if he wasn't paying for your lazy arse that as you said is doing nothing...
you are 19, unemployed, live at home getting your backside wiped for you and you think you have a right to comment, and call people the way you do.
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I don't agree with everything you said Rooke, but this bit you're spot on! I said pretty much the same a while ago.
He'll just come back with more crap, trust me! |
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rooke
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| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:34 pm Post subject: Re: BRUMMY LAD GROW UP |
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| username22 wrote: | | rooke wrote: |
you have no idea,you live off your parents you haven't lived in the world of financial stress and you wouldn't know how to struggle.. maybe your dad wouldn't be so hard up if he wasn't paying for your lazy arse that as you said is doing nothing...
you are 19, unemployed, live at home getting your backside wiped for you and you think you have a right to comment, and call people the way you do.
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I don't agree with everything you said Rooke, but this bit you're spot on! I said pretty much the same a while ago.
He'll just come back with more crap, trust me! |
probably, he just really bugged me.
What don't you agree with |
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username22
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It's not so much that I disagree with your thoughts/views, it's more the a case that I feel the original poster should take a portion of the blame for her situation. I know that sounds hard, maybe even cruel but it's not meant to be. Children do not simply fall out the sky, it takes two and for that reason both sides should take responsibility, or at the very least they should accept the consequences for their actions and decisions.
I hope the girl that started this topic finds work, happyness and contentment, I really do. But, I also hope she learns from this part of her life and doesn't end up in the same situation ever again.
I hope that makes sense. |
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rooke
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| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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| username22 wrote: | It's not so much that I disagree with your thoughts/views, it's more the a case that I feel the original poster should take a portion of the blame for her situation. I know that sounds hard, maybe even cruel but it's not meant to be. Children do not simply fall out the sky, it takes two and for that reason both sides should take responsibility, or at the very least they should accept the consequences for their actions and decisions.
I hope the girl that started this topic finds work, happyness and contentment, I really do. But, I also hope she learns from this part of her life and doesn't end up in the same situation ever again.
I hope that makes sense. |
Ah right, you haven't read my original posts then, i actually think her post is uncalled fr, she is looking for sympathy, and complaining aout nothing. my point to the young boy is he called her lazy, i was pointing out its a full time job to be a mother, and been a mam of 3 myself i know theres no such thing as a chance to be lazy. but you right i hope she finds happiness in herself because job or not she sounds to bitter on her ex, maybe you should read my original posts. i don't care if people are on benefits or work, if there stay at home parents ect, each to there on, i don't actuall beleive theres a right or wrong answer to that. men certainly get the rough end of the stick though |
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username22
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Fair point Rooke........
I have read all the posts in this topic, but not for a while now as it has been going on for a while. I've simply forgotten what you've said.
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patricia gibson
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| Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 1:47 pm Post subject: Benefits |
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If you are receiving benefits then good luck to you. I have a niece who has been here for 5 months from South Africa. She has a British passport by virtue of her father being born in this country so qualifies for citizenship but when trying to sign on at the Job Centre for work was told:
1) She is not eligible for any benefits for 5 (FIVE) years as has not contributed to any ins. fund which is fair enough... BUT
2) Not even allowed a job seekers allowance for the next 18 months if she should be so unlucky as to still be unemployed.
She currently lives with her boyfriend who supports her while she looks for work but the point I want to make is that everyone looking for work is surely eligible for the allowance as long as they bring along supporting evidence? COL is bad enough without taking into account transport costs aswell. |
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rooke
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| Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 1:59 pm Post subject: Re: Benefits |
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| patricia gibson wrote: | If you are receiving benefits then good luck to you. I have a niece who has been here for 5 months from South Africa. She has a British passport by virtue of her father being born in this country so qualifies for citizenship but when trying to sign on at the Job Centre for work was told:
1) She is not eligible for any benefits for 5 (FIVE) years as has not contributed to any ins. fund which is fair enough... BUT
2) Not even allowed a job seekers allowance for the next 18 months if she should be so unlucky as to still be unemployed.
She currently lives with her boyfriend who supports her while she looks for work but the point I want to make is that everyone looking for work is surely eligible for the allowance as long as they bring along supporting evidence? COL is bad enough without taking into account transport costs
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Yes its a silly world we live in, yet asylum seekers get housing?
If she rings job centre, she is entitled to a crisis lone of some sort. |
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hugheskevi
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| Quote: | | If she rings job centre, she is entitled to a crisis lone of some sort. |
There are a few key criteria for Crisis Loans.
| Quote: | | She currently lives with her boyfriend who supports her while she looks for work |
This is not one of the key criteria. The clue is in the title.
Mind you, they are handed out like confetti admittedly (you would be amazed at how many people wash their wallet, have a parent die, have to visit a sick parent - who bizarrely they have previously attended the funeral of). |
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rooke
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| Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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| hugheskevi wrote: | | Quote: | | If she rings job centre, she is entitled to a crisis lone of some sort. |
There are a few key criteria for Crisis Loans.
| Quote: | | She currently lives with her boyfriend who supports her while she looks for work |
This is not one of the key criteria. The clue is in the title.
Mind you, they are handed out like confetti admittedly (you would be amazed at how many people wash their wallet, have a parent die, have to visit a sick parent - who bizarrely they have previously attended the funeral of). |
Thats true, but if she is a british citizon, living in a house with partner, she will be entitled to a crisi lone as she isn't receiving any money what so ever. or a community care grant, and a budjiting lone which her partner could apply for. somewhere along the line more can be done. as i said asylum seekers get all sorts so she will be able to get something. or maybe your right and she can't, but got to be worth a try |
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rooke
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| username22 wrote: | Fair point Rooke........
I have read all the posts in this topic, but not for a while now as it has been going on for a while. I've simply forgotten what you've said.
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nothing to forgive, eah to there own  |
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yipyip
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| Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 12:27 am Post subject: Re: BRUMMY LAD GROW UP |
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| rooke wrote: | | Who are you to comment, calling her scum. first of all any one on benefits with kids is not lazy do you know how hard it is to look after a kid! its not a 9-5job its a full time job and bloody hard... she said she was looking for work, she didn't say she was sitting on her arse doing nothing because the government pay.. you have no idea,you live off your parents you haven't lived in the world of financial stress and you wouldn't know how to struggle.. maybe your dad wouldn't be so hard up if he wasn't paying for your lazy arse that as you said is doing nothing... your a child and you can't blame people on benefits for your dads interest lol you have no idea how it works do you,,, you also say your mate does this so tell m if you hate is so much why is he your mate... you are 19, unemployed, live at home getting your backside wiped for you and you think you have a right to comment, and call people the way you do. i know the world at the minuet is hard and jobs are little and few, but you are telling me you are single with no commitments and you cant find a job... whatever you aren't looking that hard there are hundreds of jobs out there if you are willing to work the hours, and you have nothing stopping you doing the hours, so thats a load of crap. |
Ahem, he's not the one bringing children into the world which he can't then support. At least by living at home he's living within his own means! |
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lostatsea
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| Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 10:16 am Post subject: Re: bennefits |
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| SAM1981 wrote: | | Hi there sorry to hear about the problems your having trying to find work. My partner has been looking for work for the last yr and he is still stuck in his dead end job. I thought I may be able to offer some advice Ila allow you to pay off courses and can offer you £200 off a course also have you thought of going into care? its rewarding work and good money as well. I started in care god a long time ago when I was a single parent and have been a single parent for 9 yrs so I know exactly what you are going threw however I am now a care co ordinator and earn a good wage all training is provided and the hours can be flexible especially where children are concerned. I have just had another baby on 18th Jan and my work are being very supportive towards me. If you would like to know more about the care industry pls get in touch I am also a trainer and will be happy to help you. sam |
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lostatsea
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| Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 10:19 am Post subject: Re: bennefits |
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| lostatsea wrote: | | SAM1981 wrote: | | Hi there sorry to hear about the problems your having trying to find work. My partner has been looking for work for the last yr and he is still stuck in his dead end job. I thought I may be able to offer some advice Ila allow you to pay off courses and can offer you £200 off a course also have you thought of going into care? its rewarding work and good money as well. I started in care god a long time ago when I was a single parent and have been a single parent for 9 yrs so I know exactly what you are going threw however I am now a care co ordinator and earn a good wage all training is provided and the hours can be flexible especially where children are concerned. I have just had another baby on 18th Jan and my work are being very supportive towards me. If you would like to know more about the care industry pls get in touch I am also a trainer and will be happy to help you. sam |
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I would like you to help me to know more about the care industry.I might be interested in that. |
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ruffle
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| Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 3:07 pm Post subject: i dont understand |
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| What the fuss is about on both sides of this debate, the benefits system is there as a safety net, however there is now a dreadful sense of entitlement that goes along with it in certain sections of society which it appears gets peoples backs up. Fair enough. Im not sure why you are struggling to find a job with hours to suit, i was on benefits for a while after I had my son and had no trouble getting back to work etc. But keep trying you should get something and theres plenty of help available to you as a single parent to facilitate your getting a job. |
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rooke
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| Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:41 am Post subject: Re: BRUMMY LAD GROW UP |
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| yipyip wrote: | | rooke wrote: | | Who are you to comment, calling her scum. first of all any one on benefits with kids is not lazy do you know how hard it is to look after a kid! its not a 9-5job its a full time job and bloody hard... she said she was looking for work, she didn't say she was sitting on her arse doing nothing because the government pay.. you have no idea,you live off your parents you haven't lived in the world of financial stress and you wouldn't know how to struggle.. maybe your dad wouldn't be so hard up if he wasn't paying for your lazy arse that as you said is doing nothing... your a child and you can't blame people on benefits for your dads interest lol you have no idea how it works do you,,, you also say your mate does this so tell m if you hate is so much why is he your mate... you are 19, unemployed, live at home getting your backside wiped for you and you think you have a right to comment, and call people the way you do. i know the world at the minuet is hard and jobs are little and few, but you are telling me you are single with no commitments and you cant find a job... whatever you aren't looking that hard there are hundreds of jobs out there if you are willing to work the hours, and you have nothing stopping you doing the hours, so thats a load of crap. |
Ahem, he's not the one bringing children into the world which he can't then support. At least by living at home he's living within his own means! |
I wasn't mtalkin to you and i do work and support my kids thanks, in this day and age even working full time is hard to support anyone, and a child needs love and attention not money so how do you justify having kids, are you under the illusion people get married find good jobs then have kids,,, no it doesn't work like that. i was 18 when i had my first chid. she was wanted, planned and well looked after my point to him was, he has no right to make a comment like he didwhen he has never lived in the world, and as he said he doesn't work and wont claim the dole,, why becase he gets mney of his parents. are you telling me had he not be getting support from his folks he woldn't claim the money yes, i think he would..
He is 19 does sweet FA, with no kids and no boundrys stopping him working, and he calls her lazy. o what ground exactly. as i said prior, wether woman/men choose to work or stay at home is up to them i dont have any problems eithe way but its hard and very rewarding work raising children and you don't get a chance to be lazy. i am pointing that out to him. not everyone lives of mammy and daddy at his age, some getting into situations and have to face the world he has no right to comment on something he hasn't a clue about, so you get of your high horse aswell. |
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katy23
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| Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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being confused by this whole conversation is an understatement!
BUT! its one of the most funniest thing ive ever read! |
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katy23
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| Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| katy23 wrote: | being confused by this whole conversation is an understatement!
BUT! its one of the most funniest things ive ever read! |
people are actually getting into full blown arguments without even knowing eachother!
Ive been made redundant, with a mortgage to pay,car,bills blah blah blah!!
F*ck it! people manage....you have to!!
i live around people claiming that shouldnt be! let em get on with it, they'll get caught oops! endddddddddddddddd!  |
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