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terry johns
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 Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 2:57 pm Post subject: Red Driving School? are you happy with them? |
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Hi, I am new to this forum and have a reason for being here.
I note that there are quite a few complaints against Red Driving School, I too have one and am currently looking for others who have been 'hit' by the same scam as I have!.
I'll do my best to keep this brief and yet thorough!
In December 2007 I signed up for Instructor Training with LVG (Red as we mostly know them by), I was given a 'carrot' of sign there and then and save money!.. well, I did the silly thing and signed, went home, told the other half and .... well she was not impressed and reminded me of other commitments due to occur later in 2008.
So I telephoned LVG and asked them what I needed to do to cancel, they told me how to go about it and I did as required and exactly as was told to do by the College.
What happened after is at present undergoing review by the Financial Ombudsman now and a legal team and therefore I can't say a lot yet. What I can say is, I found out that the College did NOT cancel my course but left it open and eventually I was contacted by the Finance company in November 2008 (11 months later!) wanting repayments! This was the first I heard of the course NOT having been cancelled!... When I contacted the College they denied all knowledge of my sending them letters and insist I continue to train with them as they will hold the course open indefinately (This makes sure they keep your money whether you do the training or not!).
I can't go into great detail here as I am intending to take this matter to court as I found LVG to be negligent as well as the Finance company and my being here is to ask if anyone else here has been told they never cancelled in the given time of 7 days and therefore must repay the loan!
I cancelled in good time and was sure the whole deal was dealt with by the College. I have copies of all my correspondence I sent to them.
If you have been told the same and have proof of cancelling in time required? please let me know!... also if you were promised to earn big bucks and found out you'd been lied to because they can't find you the work they promised after the training? let me know!... I need as much proof as possible to make this work not only for me but for the victims suffering at the hands of LVG!... the scam has to end for everyone caught out!
I fear now that this message may not be posted but I hope that it does get allowed and even though there are some of you who are more than happy with LVG so far and no doubt will do your best to try and impress me? trust me when I say that there are a huge number out there who are being taken to the cleaners over empty promises and are losing money to the Finance company in order to keep Bailiffs away! Just because they appear to be a big company does not mean they can't be pulled down a peg or two ... it is your money they have got and you should have the right to challenge them to get them to repay the Finance company every penny they should not have that is in your name! All I ask for is those who are strong enough to stand beside me and be counted for the good of all!
Thanks for reading this and hope to hear some positive replies!.
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RedAlert
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Hi Terry
The following post I made regarding The Instructor College (another name for Red driving school) with no doubt bring back bad memories:
| RedAlert wrote: | I don’t think the people who have complained in this thread are concerned about selling – everyone knows that sales people will put a positive spin on what they are selling – however, when selling becomes misrepresentation that is a different matter. I am sure people on this thread do realise if you borrow money you have to pay it back. It is not this that is at issue rather the way in which the loan was sold in the first place and the fact that the training is not provided in sufficient quantity, quality or in a timely manner to meet the loan repayment deadlines nor is their a guarantee of income to meet the actual repayments if the deadlines are exceeded.
The way Red driving school (LVG, The Instructor College) do business does need investigating.
Firstly they advertise a franchise opportunity as if is a job with earnings around £500/£600 per week. See below quote from Go-Red website:
"Working as a RED Driving School Instructor has the following benefits:
Fully air conditioned Vauxhall Corsa provided
Full call centre support
Earnings around £500-£600 per week
The satisfaction of being your own boss
Click here to arrange an interview."
Secondly, at the sales presentation they gloss over the self-employed bit but reassure everyone that there is a national shortage of driving instructors and that many instructors have waiting lists.
Thirdly they state you can be earning money on a training license within 16 weeks if you pass Part 1 and 2 first time and that to fully qualify (i.e. pass all three parts) takes around 20 weeks. In truth the majority of people probably take between 9 to 20 months to qualify (i.e. around 60 weeks).
Fourthly, Red driving school/TIC give the impression they are the de facto trainer of instructors in the UK providing instructors for all national (e.g. BSM/AA/LDC) and local driving schools alike. Most schools prefer to train their own instructors (especially the nationals) and it appears most have a low regard for the training methods offered by Red driving school/TIC.
Fifthly, Red driving school/TIC further claims to train over 65% of instructors in the UK and a pass rate that is supposedly 50 % higher than the national pass rates. For this to be true everyone else doing training (i.e. the other 35%) would mathematically need to be about 70% worse than the national pass rates – highly unlikely. The current pass rate for Part 3 is just 28% - a fact not stated by Red instructor college.
Sixthly Red driving school/TIC gives everyone the false impression that it is a responsible company by stating that the next step is to book you in for an assessment to ensure they are suitable for the job and the training. In the event you pass this assessment you might like to bring your credit car or consider the Buy-now-pay-later option. An assessment where everyone seems to pass with amble flattery and reassurances that the one or two things found can be sorted out no problem.
Unfortunately, by this stage few can belief their luck an industry where there is a real shortage of instructors were many have long waiting lists, the training is easy and straightforward where I can be earning around £500/£600 almost guaranteed in around 16 to 20 weeks with Red or indeed any other school so I don’t need to look elsewhere and best of all I passed the assessment. All I need to find is £3,500 or sign a Buy-now-pay-later agreement.
Seventhly, by signing our Buy-now-pay-later agreement you don’t need to pay a penny for 12 months well after you will probably be earning enough to repay it. Ideal for the less fortunate and vulnerable in our society
Eighthly, sign our agreement it has a cooling off period so you don’t need to look at it now it you don’t want. So you can sign it in complete confidence that if you change your mind you can.
Ninthly, never to be repeated special offer if you sign today and make sure you get on the next available course.
It is no surprise that people sign up without properly studying the agreement or seeking advice trusting what has been said or strongly implied to be true.
Particularly, those who are desperate for work, have a family to feed but do not have any money. |
While I am afraid none of the above may help you at least it will warn others of what to expect. |
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terry johns
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| RedAlert wrote: | Hi Terry
The following post I made regarding The Instructor College (another name for Red driving school) with no doubt bring back bad memories:
| RedAlert wrote: | I don’t think the people who have complained in this thread are concerned about selling – everyone knows that sales people will put a positive spin on what they are selling – however, when selling becomes misrepresentation that is a different matter. I am sure people on this thread do realise if you borrow money you have to pay it back. It is not this that is at issue rather the way in which the loan was sold in the first place and the fact that the training is not provided in sufficient quantity, quality or in a timely manner to meet the loan repayment deadlines nor is their a guarantee of income to meet the actual repayments if the deadlines are exceeded.
The way Red driving school (LVG, The Instructor College) do business does need investigating.
Firstly they advertise a franchise opportunity as if is a job with earnings around £500/£600 per week. See below quote from Go-Red website:
"Working as a RED Driving School Instructor has the following benefits:
Fully air conditioned Vauxhall Corsa provided
Full call centre support
Earnings around £500-£600 per week
The satisfaction of being your own boss
Click here to arrange an interview."
Secondly, at the sales presentation they gloss over the self-employed bit but reassure everyone that there is a national shortage of driving instructors and that many instructors have waiting lists.
Thirdly they state you can be earning money on a training license within 16 weeks if you pass Part 1 and 2 first time and that to fully qualify (i.e. pass all three parts) takes around 20 weeks. In truth the majority of people probably take between 9 to 20 months to qualify (i.e. around 60 weeks).
Fourthly, Red driving school/TIC give the impression they are the de facto trainer of instructors in the UK providing instructors for all national (e.g. BSM/AA/LDC) and local driving schools alike. Most schools prefer to train their own instructors (especially the nationals) and it appears most have a low regard for the training methods offered by Red driving school/TIC.
Fifthly, Red driving school/TIC further claims to train over 65% of instructors in the UK and a pass rate that is supposedly 50 % higher than the national pass rates. For this to be true everyone else doing training (i.e. the other 35%) would mathematically need to be about 70% worse than the national pass rates – highly unlikely. The current pass rate for Part 3 is just 28% - a fact not stated by Red instructor college.
Sixthly Red driving school/TIC gives everyone the false impression that it is a responsible company by stating that the next step is to book you in for an assessment to ensure they are suitable for the job and the training. In the event you pass this assessment you might like to bring your credit car or consider the Buy-now-pay-later option. An assessment where everyone seems to pass with amble flattery and reassurances that the one or two things found can be sorted out no problem.
Unfortunately, by this stage few can belief their luck an industry where there is a real shortage of instructors were many have long waiting lists, the training is easy and straightforward where I can be earning around £500/£600 almost guaranteed in around 16 to 20 weeks with Red or indeed any other school so I don’t need to look elsewhere and best of all I passed the assessment. All I need to find is £3,500 or sign a Buy-now-pay-later agreement.
Seventhly, by signing our Buy-now-pay-later agreement you don’t need to pay a penny for 12 months well after you will probably be earning enough to repay it. Ideal for the less fortunate and vulnerable in our society
Eighthly, sign our agreement it has a cooling off period so you don’t need to look at it now it you don’t want. So you can sign it in complete confidence that if you change your mind you can.
Ninthly, never to be repeated special offer if you sign today and make sure you get on the next available course.
It is no surprise that people sign up without properly studying the agreement or seeking advice trusting what has been said or strongly implied to be true.
Particularly, those who are desperate for work, have a family to feed but do not have any money. |
While I am afraid none of the above may help you at least it will warn others of what to expect. |
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What you have placed here is quite a lot that shows Red Driving School is a bad investment overall, too many promises and nothing at the end for a huge majority of people. Whilst I agree this may not wholly relate to me I am thankful that I was not alone in being told what Red involved and hence the ''Carrot'' being dangled. While this may appeal to many others that this subject is being highlighted possibly not for the first or even the last time and could possibly help them? my unfortunate mistake was in not sending my cancellation letter via recorded delivery, something I thought should not really be needed but since the College refuse to accpet that despite my letters getting through to their head office? they never seem to get to the College?... funny that eh?... Anyone else looking through all this info even just checking it out? beware!... if you have to cancel and it was done so within the proper time like mine was! MAKE SURE YOU SEND IT RECORDED!! they have to sign for it at the other end and if they refuse to accept? you have proof it was sent anyway!...As to my friend here who has kindly sent me the afore shown post?... my thanks to you and I hope that this will help deter any likely people to become victims to Red Driving School. Can I ask for your permission to copy your post? (Just the last reply of yours) I will not do it otherwise. It can be added to my growing evidence pile if you agree.
May I just add finally for this evening? having been made aware of how many of their cars are about?... I am a LGV driver and negotiate many roads up and down the UK and to date have seen ( and this is the truth!) FOUR of their cars since December 2007 and not counting the ones shown on the advert via TV? |
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RotHeissPfefferStreber
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I'm sorry, but that is complete nonesense.
What has been posted here is a biased view of someone who failed to become an ADI and who is blaming his trainers for it. That's hardly an objective analysis of the pros and cons of becoming an instructor via one of the big schools.
You appear to have a semi-legitimate claim (legitimate in that you cancelled inside the cooling-off period, but your reasons for signing up and then cancelling are somewhat questionable), but don't think for a moment your claim is the same as all these others or that if you succeed then they'll succeed too - or vice versa.
Just because a load of people are moaning doesn't mean they're all right.
What is really laughable is the number of people appearing who have signed up and quite quickly decided it was a mistake. They can't be that sincere about being ADIs if they're that fickle. It isn't a game. |
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RotHeissPfefferStreber
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Oh, and I actually see a fair number of their cars at the test centre - one there today, in fact, and I see at least one a day whilst out teaching.
Counting Red cars is hardly going to bolster any claim those who failed to make it might have. It's just a daft obsession over something irrelevant. |
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RedAlert
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| terry johns wrote: | my thanks to you and I hope that this will help deter any likely people to become victims to Red Driving School. Can I ask for your permission to copy your post? (Just the last reply of yours) I will not do it otherwise. It can be added to my growing evidence pile if you agree.
May I just add finally for this evening? having been made aware of how many of their cars are about?... I am a LGV driver and negotiate many roads up and down the UK and to date have seen ( and this is the truth!) FOUR of their cars since December 2007 and not counting the ones shown on the advert via TV? |
Hi Terry
You have my permission to copy my post and indeed the other posts I did on the other thread about:
Beware of TIC (i.e. Red driving school)
http://forums.gumtree.com/viewtopic.php?t=86220&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=200 |
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RedAlert
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terry johns
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| RotHeissPfefferStreber wrote: | Oh, and I actually see a fair number of their cars at the test centre - one there today, in fact, and I see at least one a day whilst out teaching.
Counting Red cars is hardly going to bolster any claim those who failed to make it might have. It's just a daft obsession over something irrelevant. |
I have no idea where you live but as I stated I travel the country from North to South and so far in over a year four cars is all I see... I have no doubt you may see several of their cars but that does not tell anyone of the statistics nationwide.
You question my reason for cancelling? what was it you said? oh yes! semi-legitamate! well I can assure you I do not require a legitimate reason to cancel as long as it falls within a 7 day period which mine did. As for my asking others to assist? please read my post again and take note I ask for legitimate victims as they are far more likely to be of help, as it stands, my claim is quite strong on its own merit as the relevant companies in question have thankfully made mistakes that the Law can assist me with in Court. My additional help from genuine victims would serve to close their grievance and deter others from signing up without first being made aware. And finally, when you say about why people sign up immediately? if it saves money long term, anyone will sign up if wanting to become an Instructor, I would have saved over £400 which is a lot of money had I continued ok! and likely many others saw the benefit too when they signed up. If it were known to us all beforehand what LVG/Red Driving school were really like with their lies it is patently obvious even to you we would not have signed and YES, I did have a genuine reason for wanting to become a Driving Instructor but I'd like to do that with an honest school, not a bunch of thieves! You may have been lucky but there are many genuine people out there who will resent your taunting them without knowing their side of the issue, by the way? did you use Red Driving School? Sounds to me there may be a vested interest for you to take such a stance over my post? unless you are a Solicitor any advice or comments you make obviously will not be of any consequencial benefit. |
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terry johns
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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| RotHeissPfefferStreber wrote: | Oh, and I actually see a fair number of their cars at the test centre - one there today, in fact, and I see at least one a day whilst out teaching.
Counting Red cars is hardly going to bolster any claim those who failed to make it might have. It's just a daft obsession over something irrelevant. |
I have no idea where you live but as I stated I travel the country from North to South and so far in over a year four cars is all I see... I have no doubt you may see several of their cars but that does not tell anyone of the statistics nationwide.
You question my reason for cancelling? what was it you said? oh yes! semi-legitimate! well I can assure you I do not require a legitimate reason to cancel as long as it falls within a 7 day period which mine did. As for my asking others to assist? please read my post again and take note I ask for legitimate victims as they are far more likely to be of help, as it stands, my claim is quite strong on its own merit as the relevant companies in question have thankfully made mistakes that the Law can assist me with in Court. My additional help from genuine victims would serve to close their grievance and deter others from signing up without first being made aware. And finally, when you say about why people sign up immediately? if it saves money long term, anyone will sign up if wanting to become an Instructor, I would have saved over £400 which is a lot of money had I continued ok! and likely many others saw the benefit too when they signed up. If it were known to us all beforehand what LVG/Red Driving school were really like with their lies it is patently obvious even to you we would not have signed and YES, I did have a genuine reason for wanting to become a Driving Instructor but I'd like to do that with an honest school, not a bunch of thieves! You may have been lucky but there are many genuine people out there who will resent your taunting them without knowing their side of the issue, by the way? did you use Red Driving School? Sounds to me there may be a vested interest for you to take such a stance over my post? unless you are a Solicitor any advice or comments you make obviously will not be of any consequencial benefit. |
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RotHeissPfefferStreber
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| terry johns wrote: | | I have no idea where you live but as I stated I travel the country from North to South and so far in over a year four cars is all I see... I have no doubt you may see several of their cars but that does not tell anyone of the statistics nationwide. |
Ah, that makes YOU the expert then, eh? Good job you aren't biased against them or anything like that  Otherwise your data might be suspect 
Let me explain that 'semi-legitimate' part for you again. I thought I had, but obviously not.
You have a legitimate claim on your cancellation. You did it (allegedly) in the allotted time and something has gone wrong. That claim is between you and Red (on a professional level) or between you and anyone else who wants to join in if you choose to bring it on to a forum like this.
You had a far from legitimate reason for signing up to a £7,000 loan in the first place. Spur of the moment, not consulting the spouse, not taking into account 'other commitments'.... so don't expect sympathy from everyone. And don't try and suggest that this mix up somehow impinges on Red's training, because it doesn't.
Such a cavalier attitude concerning £7,000 is OK if you do it to Red, but it's Armageddon if they have a similar attitude towards you? Get real, for goodness sake. You should have sorted this out privately with Red and via your solicitor. If you have the necessary proof, as I'm sure you do, it will be a piece of cake to sort it out.
Also, having such a casual attitude towards signing up for a loan hardly puts someone in a position to start talking about comments not being of 'consequential benefit'. Someone who can take this on to an open forum whilst it is still with solicitors is not in such a position, either.
It reminds me of that time the DVLA wrote to me telling me I was being fined for not taxing my car and not completing SORN. I'd sold the car to a garage some months previously and I had the necessary slip from the log book. I could have gone apoplectic, joined forums, started forums, had a username like Anti-DVLA, and basically decided DVLA was the Spawn Of Satan.
Guess what I did. I wrote to them and said : "I sold the car in November and I have the document here."
They wrote back and said: "Sorry. No further action will be taken."
Life can be easy, or life can be hard. But it isn't life itself which makes those decisions - we do.
You shouldn't have signed up to the bloody loan so freely, but the issue of cancelling it is private and should be easily resolved (if you have the proof - and we only have your word that everything was done in a timely fashion). |
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RotHeissPfefferStreber
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I did not train with Red Driving School (or any of their other schools), nor do I work for them.
The only people I am 'taunting' are those who believe that their own mistakes or weaknesses are someone else's fault. People who hadn't got a cat in hell's chance of becoming ADIs, and who couldn't cut it with the training, and who blame TIC/Red for their mistakes, in particular.
If they post in an open forum without providing the full story, as you put it, then I can comment on that less than full story for the same reasons they can post it. |
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terry johns
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| RedAlert wrote: | | terry johns wrote: | my thanks to you and I hope that this will help deter any likely people to become victims to Red Driving School. Can I ask for your permission to copy your post? (Just the last reply of yours) I will not do it otherwise. It can be added to my growing evidence pile if you agree.
May I just add finally for this evening? having been made aware of how many of their cars are about?... I am a LGV driver and negotiate many roads up and down the UK and to date have seen ( and this is the truth!) FOUR of their cars since December 2007 and not counting the ones shown on the advert via TV? |
Hi Terry
You have my permission to copy my post and indeed the other posts I did on the other thread about:
Beware of TIC (i.e. Red driving school)
http://forums.gumtree.com/viewtopic.php?t=86220&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=200 |
| Quote: | My thanks for your permission. I shall only need it as a back up and hope it may not even be used but if it does become necessary to use it then hopefully there will be many people made wiser from reading/hearing it.
Regards
Terry J. |
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terry johns
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| RotHeissPfefferStreber wrote: | | terry johns wrote: | | I have no idea where you live but as I stated I travel the country from North to South and so far in over a year four cars is all I see... I have no doubt you may see several of their cars but that does not tell anyone of the statistics nationwide. |
Ah, that makes YOU the expert then, eh? Good job you aren't biased against them or anything like that Otherwise your data might be suspect
Let me explain that 'semi-legitimate' part for you again. I thought I had, but obviously not.
You have a legitimate claim on your cancellation. You did it (allegedly) in the allotted time and something has gone wrong. That claim is between you and Red (on a professional level) or between you and anyone else who wants to join in if you choose to bring it on to a forum like this.
You had a far from legitimate reason for signing up to a £7,000 loan in the first place. Spur of the moment, not consulting the spouse, not taking into account 'other commitments'.... so don't expect sympathy from everyone. And don't try and suggest that this mix up somehow impinges on Red's training, because it doesn't.
Such a cavalier attitude concerning £7,000 is OK if you do it to Red, but it's Armageddon if they have a similar attitude towards you? Get real, for goodness sake. You should have sorted this out privately with Red and via your solicitor. If you have the necessary proof, as I'm sure you do, it will be a piece of cake to sort it out.
Also, having such a casual attitude towards signing up for a loan hardly puts someone in a position to start talking about comments not being of 'consequential benefit'. Someone who can take this on to an open forum whilst it is still with solicitors is not in such a position, either.
It reminds me of that time the DVLA wrote to me telling me I was being fined for not taxing my car and not completing SORN. I'd sold the car to a garage some months previously and I had the necessary slip from the log book. I could have gone apoplectic, joined forums, started forums, had a username like Anti-DVLA, and basically decided DVLA was the Spawn Of Satan.
Guess what I did. I wrote to them and said : "I sold the car in November and I have the document here."
They wrote back and said: "Sorry. No further action will be taken."
Life can be easy, or life can be hard. But it isn't life itself which makes those decisions - we do.
You shouldn't have signed up to the bloody loan so freely, but the issue of cancelling it is private and should be easily resolved (if you have the proof - and we only have your word that everything was done in a timely fashion). |
| Quote: | | I am as real as you'll ever find me! did I say I was an expert? nope! did I make an honest comment? yep!... by the way? what makes YOU the expert? seems all you do is get a buzz jumping in on other peoples posts being a know-it-all! you are not a solicitor or of any authority related to my quest, I am not here whinging about what happened to me? I am asking for other victims for their help and evidence, if you have any please say so and step up to the mark and be counted, if you don't? please be a good boy and try to annoy someone else? I only have time for genuine folk not some fool who thinks he knows how to rattle cages? As for my posting on here whilst the case is in the hands of Solicitors? I'd offer you their phone number to confirm their request that I place this post in search of further help and evidence but you'd only whinge to them about what you think is right or wrong. You do not know what evidence I already have that supports most of my claim against these people! that is what is NOT on here! that is for the Court to deal with! I think you need to read up on Law and see what is infringement and what is not when evidence is collated! As far as I am concerned, if you have nothing to help me with my research then clear off somewhere else as this does not affect you at all unless you have lost any money to the relevant companies in question!. At least I can show my name on here, seems yours need some spit and polish! why hide your real name anyway? ashamed? I prefer to reply to those who have a genuine reason for replying to me so be advised that I do not intend to respond to your churlish whims any more. (Sticks and stones!) |
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RotHeissPfefferStreber
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You're not 'a victim' of anything except yourself!!!
All you've got to do - according to what you said at the outset - is get a simple misunderstanding sorted out, but instead you are behaving as if someone stole the Crown Jewels. If the situation is what you claim it to be it will be sorted out easily and you'll have no further problems... that's IF the situation IS what you claim it to be...
If it really were a case of you having the proof that you cancelled then I hardly think your 'solicitors' would be asking YOU to search for evidence like this. For one thing, they'd be no better than TIC if they were asking YOU to do the leg work when YOU were paying THEM  So that one doesn't ring true at all.
For another, there's no way a 'solicitor' is going to ask you to come on a place like this when people like Anti Red and the Facebook Crazy Gang are busy hurling libel (for all you know) left, right, and centre, and then expect you to join in. You have no idea if what the Crazy Gang are saying is true or not, and if any of it isn't true - if it is libellous - it would prejudice your case totally by being involved in it and adding to it. So this doesn't have a ring of truth about it, either.
No 'solicitor' is going to consider such libel as 'gathered evidence'. A court certainly won't. All it shows is that there are people out there who signed up to become ADIs but weren't good enough - their claims would have to be tested in court before your hearing would accept the findings. A 'solicitor' is certainly not going to ask you to come here (to a place which doesn't edit out swearing or sexual content, and which is fighting a permanent battle with pornography advertisements), use your original name, and start throwing the libel about yourself. Strike three.
And finally, a refusal to listen to anything other than what you want to hear ("Oh, yes, Terry. Come and join us. TIC are the pits and you are absolutely right - even though we don't know anything about you or your case. You hate TIC and that's all you need to join with us") is hardly going to bolster your case
Indeed, I suspect your 'case' is far from being the simple matter you suggested in your first post and that there is a much more to it than meets the eye. I can say this quite comfortably, because TIC is not the monster you or the Crazy Gang suggest it is and if you really had cancelled in time and had the proof you'd be home and dry. The fact that you appear more ready to join up with a bunch of vigilantes with completely different gripes speaks volumes, and volumes, and volumes....
As I said before, you shouldn't have signed up in the first place. You know that as well as I do. But seeing as you did, and based on the claims you have made, you ought to have a cast-iron case that doesn't need the help of any 'solicitor'.
But you don't have a cast-iron case, do you? |
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RotHeissPfefferStreber
Joined: 03 Feb 2009
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Location: Bavarian Forest
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And Terry, if you can come on here and make the claims you have, I can comment on them, OK? So don't waste your time suggesting otherwise. I will continue to comment
It seems to be a trait of the Crazy Gang members that they think they can come on here and say things using any terms they wish, and then they start questioning anyone else's right to refute their claims. They even go so far as to delete membes of their Facebook group who dare to not be totally anti-TIC. It must irk them that they can't do that here |
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shawn bentley
Joined: 17 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 4:19 pm Post subject: Re: Red Driving School? are you happy with them? |
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| terry johns wrote: | Hi, I am new to this forum and have a reason for being here.
I note that there are quite a few complaints against Red Driving School, I too have one and am currently looking for others who have been 'hit' by the same scam as I have!.
I'll do my best to keep this brief and yet thorough!
In December 2007 I signed up for Instructor Training with LVG (Red as we mostly know them by), I was given a 'carrot' of sign there and then and save money!.. well, I did the silly thing and signed, went home, told the other half and .... well she was not impressed and reminded me of other commitments due to occur later in 2008.
So I telephoned LVG and asked them what I needed to do to cancel, they told me how to go about it and I did as required and exactly as was told to do by the College.
What happened after is at present undergoing review by the Financial Ombudsman now and a legal team and therefore I can't say a lot yet. What I can say is, I found out that the College did NOT cancel my course but left it open and eventually I was contacted by the Finance company in November 2008 (11 months later!) wanting repayments! This was the first I heard of the course NOT having been cancelled!... When I contacted the College they denied all knowledge of my sending them letters and insist I continue to train with them as they will hold the course open indefinately (This makes sure they keep your money whether you do the training or not!).
I can't go into great detail here as I am intending to take this matter to court as I found LVG to be negligent as well as the Finance company and my being here is to ask if anyone else here has been told they never cancelled in the given time of 7 days and therefore must repay the loan!
I cancelled in good time and was sure the whole deal was dealt with by the College. I have copies of all my correspondence I sent to them.
If you have been told the same and have proof of cancelling in time required? please let me know!... also if you were promised to earn big bucks and found out you'd been lied to because they can't find you the work they promised after the training? let me know!... I need as much proof as possible to make this work not only for me but for the victims suffering at the hands of LVG!... the scam has to end for everyone caught out!
I fear now that this message may not be posted but I hope that it does get allowed and even though there are some of you who are more than happy with LVG so far and no doubt will do your best to try and impress me? trust me when I say that there are a huge number out there who are being taken to the cleaners over empty promises and are losing money to the Finance company in order to keep Bailiffs away! Just because they appear to be a big company does not mean they can't be pulled down a peg or two ... it is your money they have got and you should have the right to challenge them to get them to repay the Finance company every penny they should not have that is in your name! All I ask for is those who are strong enough to stand beside me and be counted for the good of all!
Thanks for reading this and hope to hear some positive replies!.
regards
Terry. |
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shawn bentley
Joined: 17 Feb 2009
Posts: 2
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hello terry
i am in the same position as you.I signed up for the course in jan 08 but had to cancel 2days later due to my job status changed.A year later i have had the bank ringing me twice a day for there money.When i spoke to the colledge i was told to write to them reconfirming i had cancelled before they would look into it.I did this but they denied getting my letter so i had to email them.2 days later they refused to refund the banks money but i could appeal which i did.Again 2 days later the appeal had failed but was told the course is still open.I have sent a letter to the bank and they are looking into this but i am still going to get the bill for the outstanding loan as they want their money back.red are con artists and i fear there is nothing we can do |
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RotHeissPfefferStreber
Joined: 03 Feb 2009
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| Of course, there is a little thing called 'recorded delivery' which is commonly used for time-sensitive or important documents... |
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terry johns
Joined: 08 Feb 2009
Posts: 13
Location: West Midlands
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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| shawn bentley wrote: | hello terry
i am in the same position as you.I signed up for the course in jan 08 but had to cancel 2days later due to my job status changed.A year later i have had the bank ringing me twice a day for there money.When i spoke to the colledge i was told to write to them reconfirming i had cancelled before they would look into it.I did this but they denied getting my letter so i had to email them.2 days later they refused to refund the banks money but i could appeal which i did.Again 2 days later the appeal had failed but was told the course is still open.I have sent a letter to the bank and they are looking into this but i am still going to get the bill for the outstanding loan as they want their money back.red are con artists and i fear there is nothing we can do |
Hi Shawn, thanks for getting in touch, I will warn you that you will get certain individuals wearing anoraks and carrying a notebook defending the Schools but as they never attended those particular Schools in question by their own admittance you have nothing to be concerned with. I ignore them as one would not want to disturb the manure and have the flies buzzing again 
Can I ask if you wrote your letter on a pc or by hand? this could be important! but don't worry if you wrote it by hand, there are still ways and means. I stated earlier in my posts that Solicitors have asked me to check out any forums and although an anorak disputes this by calling me a liar (try that to my face mate!) they asked me as I did openly say there was a forum that held certain information about the Schools in question, it was a simple and not unlike request I was happy to deal with, leaving them open to do other work for me.
Another question is, did you contact them by phone to say you were cancelling? or did you just sit down and write it?
Any proof of postage maybe?
I can say there are a couple of interesting factors helping my issue and if yours fits the bill too then we can at least amalgamate the information. I will not say here what I have already as I could lose the ''ammunition'' I was lucky to gain and also as it is currently being held in the right hands I am restricted as stated earlier.
Bear in mind this forum allows a fair amount of info to be placed and by the same token there will be ''flies'' ready to swarm on your post to discredit you. You can't delete their comments but if we were able to delete them I am happy to leave those on mine as other genuine people can see who those anoraks are. Again for those watching? yes some of you were very lucky if you never had a problem with the School in question and I will remind you I am here because that School failed to honour their side efficiently with me and are set on holding me responsible.
Bear also in mind Shawn that if you had phoned the School stating your intention to cancel it is not obligatory to send mail recorded or registered although I will say that it is best that anyone at any time should from now on use recorded at the least as there are far too many rip-off merchants out there, your phone call is valid enough apparently! (yep I checked that out!) From now on, any mail you send you need to send it recorded delivery as it has to be signed for at the other end.
Please let me know more about your plight so I can ascertain whether or not I can use your help. If you prefer not to write it here then email me on Aol as tez johns. I'm not worried about the ''flies' trying to use it as your computer IP address is unique so I shall know when it is your email.
For anyone else who has cancelled within the prescribed period and they told you that you had not? please do get in touch as although a case can be found very good on individual merit? any further ammunition goes a long way to headline the problem! |
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RotHeissPfefferStreber
Joined: 03 Feb 2009
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Location: Bavarian Forest
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| Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 8:46 am Post subject: |
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Terry, if you're going to continue to be childish then don't expect me to stay out of it
You signed up on a whim, without telling your wife. It was up to her to 'remind you' that you had 'certain commitments' which made taking out a loan of £3,500 not such a good idea.
Above all that, you decided that 'it would be a good idea' to become an ADI. Just like that.
After you realised your ridiculous mistake, you cancelled. And here it gets a little hazy. Either you are telling the truth and you cancelled in good time as you implied, or there's more to it than meets the eye. It should be taken as given that a letter which is worth £3,500 and is time sensitive is sent by some method other than Carrier Pigeon - i.e. one which allows proof of delivery and/or receipt. Even a time stamp on a computer might help if solicitors become involved.
And now there are two of you!
I notice that one of you also has an anger management problem - threats are apparently what resulted in the demise of the Facebook group (from public view, anyway). Interesting that you should so easily resort to threats yourself when no one has actually called you a liar. It is somewhat interesting that YOU should use the word first
Let's just say that those who have axes to grind with training schools tend to be rather creative with their side of the story. Simple events become major ones, and no doubt this also applies to supporting evidence.
If you paid money, cancelled, and have proof then you have nothing to worry about.
If you don't have proof, you did the right thing deciding not to try to become an ADI.
And Tezza: Flies are only attracted to one thing, don't forget |
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RedAlert
Joined: 01 Feb 2009
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Hi Terry
When you rang to cancel your contract within the permitted 7 days did they advise you what to do with the Part 1 training materials they would have provided or does the contract say we will not start the training until you contact us.
Did you get a copy of the contract you signed and what does this say about cancelling the course within the 7 days.
I must admit it is a very poor course if no one contacts you following signing the contract and the Loan agreement. At least you would expect a letter or something to welcome you on the course and/or supply you with details how to start your studying and obtaining support and/or supply study materials etc.
If you spoke and/or wrote to them cancelling the course you would expect no further contact. |
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terry johns
Joined: 08 Feb 2009
Posts: 13
Location: West Midlands
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| Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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| RedAlert wrote: | Hi Terry
When you rang to cancel your contract within the permitted 7 days did they advise you what to do with the Part 1 training materials they would have provided or does the contract say we will not start the training until you contact us.
Did you get a copy of the contract you signed and what does this say about cancelling the course within the 7 days.
I must admit it is a very poor course if no one contacts you following signing the contract and the Loan agreement. At least you would expect a letter or something to welcome you on the course and/or supply you with details how to start your studying and obtaining support and/or supply study materials etc.
If you spoke and/or wrote to them cancelling the course you would expect no further contact. |
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Hi Red Alert, sorry I've not got back to you earlier, I noted what you said and as yet I am unable to answer the questions for you. As soon as I am able to I shall post an update which should help inform you of the situation. I'm still looking for victims of a similar circumstance as it would be good to help them too. |
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yellocanoe
Joined: 25 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:32 am Post subject: Red Driving School |
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I am currently putting together a case against Red Driving School and would be interested from hearing from people who have had lessons with them, or people who have paid to do the instructor training.
Please email me
theyellowcanoe@gmail.com
With RED DRIVING in the subject line. |
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AntiRed
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