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waterloo
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As I said in the last post..... Including the initial investment after 8 WEEKS I would be £1,000 in profit and every 4 weeks after that would be the same.
Even in the first 4 weeks with only £72.50 I'd be 500 times more in profit than your 15p. |
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gumboil
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| waterloo wrote: | As I said in the last post..... Including the initial investment after 8 WEEKS I would be £1,000 in profit and every 4 weeks after that would be the same.
Even in the first 4 weeks with only £72.50 I'd be 500 times more in profit than your 15p. |
Ok, I was just trying to get a clearer picture. I'm not arguing with you btw!
Can I ask, is this a theoretical scenario that you're putting forward? |
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| waterloo wrote: | | Assuming it takes you 2 hours to pack and deliver the goods your hourly rate would be £22.50. That's how you earn £20-£30 per hour with this business. Maybe not from day 1 but once you have a solid base of customers it's simple to do. |
nice vision, but how many of the candidates will have that success? how many of them will fit into the "kleeneze market" against those that will fail?
what is the solit base of customers? how many and how big "money wasters"?
can you guarantee that those customers will still keep the incoming standard to secure you that hourly pay all the time?
cannot they get certain products cheaper somewhere else? can your products compete with quality standard and price in comparison to the supermarkets like morissons or asda, for example? or e-bay??? especially in the actual crisis...
so many questions have just ran through my mind... can someone answer them? i do not have a particular experiences in business... |
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| yeah, have i mentioned a poundland or a 99 p stores? |
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tinkapace
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| Lunatic wrote: | | yeah, have i mentioned a poundland or a 99 p stores? |
The point you raise is an interesting one I agree many of the products could be sourced cheaper however some of them could not, and some are very hard to find outside of the internet.
The thing is this people generaly enjoy catalogues and have a trendancy when in the comfort of their own home to order, they know it may cost morew but it will be delivered and for some reason they order. And boy do they order I have taken £700 today in personal retail sales. Single orders of over £100 are quite common.
I emember delivering a line prop last year to a customer for £10 and she told me that there was a shop IN HER ROAD that she could have got it cheaper at ???? she still ordered it from me though. The reason was she liked our home shopping service.
Littlewoods and other home shopping catalogues also tend to be dearer than the hight street yet they still sell millions of £'s of stuff every year.
Kleeneze turnover has shot from £10 million to over £20Million in 10 years this year is is up 35% on last year. So whatever the reason the chose to buy, they are chosing to buy in ever increasing numbers. |
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and some are very hard to find outside of the internet. |
i agree. another detail i have just realised is: the catalogues also play the mind games with their customers. women with model bodies present the corsets for those with bigger bellies and it looks that the customers will look as those models... but if they had put there a fat woman waring it, that might give a different message to the potential customer. and also: the customers may see that the corset actually does not do that great job... you cannot put all your body into a slimming material. the fat will overflow the edges, like the bellies and asses of fat women that overflow over the 2 or 3 sizes smaller hip jeans or black trousers at bars and restaurants staff.
and this same principle is with other goods. beautiful feet with an "egg" to scrub the hard skin off the heel... why do they not put there a nasty dry and hard foot? customers would not be that attracted, of course. it would look nasty.
no surprise that people buy those products in dozens. 6 pounds here, 8 pounds there, another 4 pounds... ok, lets get the cream for 10 pounds in one go. it must be of a high quality! REALLY?
all these "wonderful" products concentrated on just several pages and all of them look so great!
well, i do not want to be too negative. some pieces are quite interesting and handy there. i feel tempted to get some of them 
| tinkapace wrote: | | And boy do they order I have taken £700 today in personal retail sales. Single orders of over £100 are quite common. |
well, the order of goods is not the profit yet...
how often or how many of those single orders of £100 will you get from the same customer? the solid customer base has been mentioned... even thousands of them do not buy such things that often and in those amounts. though: i remember a boom of avon products in my area... but they were not much better that those you can get in a shop outside. but they were from AVON!
i like to go to a proper shop. to touch, weigh, smell, squeeze the product... often just one touch tells me if i would want that product, which looked so attractive on a leaflet or behind the shop window. even the perfume testers are more concentrated than the products themselves. and i remember, how i tested the scent on a perfumed page and was dreaming about getting that perfume. but when i tested the real one on the same piece of skin, it did not smell that great...
especially quelle makes me laugh often. those models are from several decades ago. but some people still buy them. they look so elegant on those models. so well shaped trousers on perfect silhouettes... how many of their customers have those bodies? BUT: they order, pay, receive, try and return... money back. BUT BUT: this does not make a profit... and older and outfashioned stock is being offered again and again, prices rise (those who buy them also pay for those that were not interested...)
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I emember delivering a line prop last year to a customer for £10 and she told me that there was a shop IN HER ROAD that she could have got it cheaper at ???? she still ordered it from me though. The reason was she liked our home shopping service. |
ok, that lady did not have to watch her budget... normally people tend to buy something cheaper and have it at home as fast as possible - go to the shop and get it (especially if it is just across the road). that lady was probably addicted to this kind of shopping, ... hard to say.
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Littlewoods and other home shopping catalogues also tend to be dearer than the hight street yet they still sell millions of £'s of stuff every year. |
my natural sense tells me, that people are getting lazier and lazier, or too busy to experience the feel of the product before they buy it. and the competitive attitude of companies - refund warranty within certain amount of days, if the customers change their mind - FOR FREE. the companies even pay the returning postage (or it was already included in the prices of those products overall  )
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Kleeneze turnover has shot from £10 million to over £20Million in 10 years this year is is up 35% on last year. So whatever the reason the chose to buy, they are chosing to buy in ever increasing numbers. |
probably the recession did not hit its worst yet.
as i said: there are some really useful things. but many of the others are just pieces that we really do not need. we just buy them because they often are so cheap and we can afford them. plastic rubbish, i would say...
and some of them are in a little bit smaller containers that we would get at a normal shop for about the same price...
there are a complex psychology and tricks involved.
and it works. customers are buying... little treat here, some money saved there (usually on food or clothes, buying cheap and low quality. the more for less the better. but that this is a contraproductive attitude, they often never realise. unfortunately...). it looks that the more rubbish the bigger business nowadays. farmers are struggling, local crop producers fight for grants, because people rather buy cheaper (and lower quality) products from poorer countries, but at the same time they keep buying little plastic bits and pieces (maybe to help them forget for a while)... even organic products are required to sell for less, because people find them too expensive... well: less products sold, the higher prices next time... start buying quality products for appropriate prices and their prices will decrease soon... hopefully
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tinkapace
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| Lunatic wrote: | | tinkapace wrote: |
and some are very hard to find outside of the internet. |
i agree. another detail i have just realised is: the catalogues also play the mind games with their customers. women with model bodies present the corsets for those with bigger bellies and it looks that the customers will look as those models... but if they had put there a fat woman waring it, that might give a different message to the potential customer. and also: the customers may see that the corset actually does not do that great job... you cannot put all your body into a slimming material. the fat will overflow the edges, like the bellies and asses of fat women that overflow over the 2 or 3 sizes smaller hip jeans or black trousers at bars and restaurants staff.
and this same principle is with other goods. beautiful feet with an "egg" to scrub the hard skin off the heel... why do they not put there a nasty dry and hard foot? customers would not be that attracted, of course. it would look nasty.
no surprise that people buy those products in dozens. 6 pounds here, 8 pounds there, another 4 pounds... ok, lets get the cream for 10 pounds in one go. it must be of a high quality! REALLY?
all these "wonderful" products concentrated on just several pages and all of them look so great!
well, i do not want to be too negative. some pieces are quite interesting and handy there. i feel tempted to get some of them
| tinkapace wrote: | | And boy do they order I have taken £700 today in personal retail sales. Single orders of over £100 are quite common. |
well, the order of goods is not the profit yet...
how often or how many of those single orders of £100 will you get from the same customer? the solid customer base has been mentioned... even thousands of them do not buy such things that often and in those amounts. though: i remember a boom of avon products in my area... but they were not much better that those you can get in a shop outside. but they were from AVON!
i like to go to a proper shop. to touch, weigh, smell, squeeze the product... often just one touch tells me if i would want that product, which looked so attractive on a leaflet or behind the shop window. even the perfume testers are more concentrated than the products themselves. and i remember, how i tested the scent on a perfumed page and was dreaming about getting that perfume. but when i tested the real one on the same piece of skin, it did not smell that great...
especially quelle makes me laugh often. those models are from several decades ago. but some people still buy them. they look so elegant on those models. so well shaped trousers on perfect silhouettes... how many of their customers have those bodies? BUT: they order, pay, receive, try and return... money back. BUT BUT: this does not make a profit... and older and outfashioned stock is being offered again and again, prices rise (those who buy them also pay for those that were not interested...)
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I emember delivering a line prop last year to a customer for £10 and she told me that there was a shop IN HER ROAD that she could have got it cheaper at ???? she still ordered it from me though. The reason was she liked our home shopping service. |
ok, that lady did not have to watch her budget... normally people tend to buy something cheaper and have it at home as fast as possible - go to the shop and get it (especially if it is just across the road). that lady was probably addicted to this kind of shopping, ... hard to say.
| tinkapace wrote: |
Littlewoods and other home shopping catalogues also tend to be dearer than the hight street yet they still sell millions of £'s of stuff every year. |
my natural sense tells me, that people are getting lazier and lazier, or too busy to experience the feel of the product before they buy it. and the competitive attitude of companies - refund warranty within certain amount of days, if the customers change their mind - FOR FREE. the companies even pay the returning postage (or it was already included in the prices of those products overall )
| tinkapace wrote: |
Kleeneze turnover has shot from £10 million to over £20Million in 10 years this year is is up 35% on last year. So whatever the reason the chose to buy, they are chosing to buy in ever increasing numbers. |
probably the recession did not hit its worst yet.
as i said: there are some really useful things. but many of the others are just pieces that we really do not need. we just buy them because they often are so cheap and we can afford them. plastic rubbish, i would say...
and some of them are in a little bit smaller containers that we would get at a normal shop for about the same price...
there are a complex psychology and tricks involved.
and it works. customers are buying... little treat here, some money saved there (usually on food or clothes, buying cheap and low quality. the more for less the better. but that this is a contraproductive attitude, they often never realise. unfortunately...). it looks that the more rubbish the bigger business nowadays. farmers are struggling, local crop producers fight for grants, because people rather buy cheaper (and lower quality) products from poorer countries, but at the same time they keep buying little plastic bits and pieces (maybe to help them forget for a while)... even organic products are required to sell for less, because people find them too expensive... well: less products sold, the higher prices next time... start buying quality products for appropriate prices and their prices will decrease soon... hopefully
sorry for this elaborate, i just could not resist |
You speak many elements of truth my friend. But whatever the reason they still buy so at the emd of the day Kleeneze works. Just a few points.
We have 100 customers in our customer base I agree the £100 plus orders are quite rare (apart from Christmas) most people order on average around £10 most people order on average 1 in 3 catalogues dropped I would say that is a good average.
As far as the recession goes. When it started Kleeneze HQ told us that sales would go up they always do in a recession. I doubted this statement, Hoerver they have lat month our sales were up by around 41% the month before 113%
The reason for this I feel is people like to spend, they cannot afford big purchases howerver they can afford £5 to £10 it makes them feel better. Companies like Cadburys, burger King etc( hardly luxury nececities have also seen sales increase. And stated the same reason).
At the end of the day it's quite an amazing thing I don't profess to understand it however it just works. The thing is it's so hard for people to grasp it understand why. It even amazes me at times and I do it for a living. |
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You speak many elements of truth my friend. But whatever the reason they still buy so at the emd of the day Kleeneze works. Just a few points.
We have 100 customers in our customer base I agree the £100 plus orders are quite rare (apart from Christmas) most people order on average around £10 most people order on average 1 in 3 catalogues dropped I would say that is a good average.
As far as the recession goes. When it started Kleeneze HQ told us that sales would go up they always do in a recession. I doubted this statement, Hoerver they have lat month our sales were up by around 41% the month before 113%
The reason for this I feel is people like to spend, they cannot afford big purchases howerver they can afford £5 to £10 it makes them feel better. Companies like Cadburys, burger King etc( hardly luxury nececities have also seen sales increase. And stated the same reason).
At the end of the day it's quite an amazing thing I don't profess to understand it however it just works. The thing is it's so hard for people to grasp it understand why. It even amazes me at times and I do it for a living. |
well, if i remember correctly, there were more children born during the wars...
unlogical for a first sight, but it must have some hidden reason, i mean with this shopping results. as individuals - people may tend to behave differently and think of saving money in general, but as a society - the numbers finally show that they change their shopping habits. that means: someone else must have been bankrupted while a catalogue shopping increased. as you said: 10 pounds here, 12 pounds there... more of them allow themselves just little treats while their number increase. so in final numbers they buy more than before. just because they buy in little amounts...
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Honest John
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| waterloo wrote: | On average it takes around 3-4 hours to put out 200 catalogues. Using the 30 hours average per week worked I could drop and pick up 1000 catalogues in 15-20 hours leaving me 10 hours to deliver products.
The company average per catalogue is £1 worth of orders but lets say I only get 50p. In 4 weeks I'd get £2000 of orders and my GROSS INCOME would be just over £600. There would be some business expenses. I reckon about £100 for petrol, £100 for extra books, £7.50 for internet service and maybe £20 for printing and other bits. There is no VAT as I don't earn over £64,000 per annum in income. In any event VAT is payable by the company ON TOP of your gross income. No advertising costs at this stage or postage as I'm not team building.
Overall this leaves me with NET PROFIT of over £350.
Achieving the company average of £1 per catalogue would earn GROSS INCOME of £1305. My expenses would be no different so my NET PROFIT would be over £1,000 in 4 weeks.
If I never team build I can still earn £1,000 net profit every 4 weeks with no extra expenses each time than those in my first 4 weeks.
I'd have to ask what activities 30 hours per week were spent on that only produced 15p profit. |
Hi Waterloo
Before I start reading your reply
To put out & pick up 1000 catalogues will take you more than 40 hours thats a fact so get realistic
I was told & can say from first hand experience that you should would work on this.
Firstly you have to prepare your books
Next you will need to BUY your books & all the other stuff.
How much money you invest depends on how long you leave the catalogues with teh customer & once again your still not sure if anyone has done the area......any way........
100 books per hour out & thats if your quick!!!
100 books picked up would be 1.5 hours, not all books are left out
Then you have to pick up your strays
Then you have to pick up your strays
IF your lucky to get orders & work on the £1 per book OUT scenario not in thats guaranteed thats 100 orders
To deliver the goods will atke you 10 per hour so thats 10 hours
Then you have to go back to thenones tat weren't in & then you have to go back again to theones that weren't in again........
HOW MANY HOURS IS THAT???
Hmmmmmmmm
I so look forward to your reply
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Honest John
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| Lunatic wrote: | | tinkapace wrote: |
You speak many elements of truth my friend. But whatever the reason they still buy so at the emd of the day Kleeneze works. Just a few points.
We have 100 customers in our customer base I agree the £100 plus orders are quite rare (apart from Christmas) most people order on average around £10 most people order on average 1 in 3 catalogues dropped I would say that is a good average.
As far as the recession goes. When it started Kleeneze HQ told us that sales would go up they always do in a recession. I doubted this statement, Hoerver they have lat month our sales were up by around 41% the month before 113%
The reason for this I feel is people like to spend, they cannot afford big purchases howerver they can afford £5 to £10 it makes them feel better. Companies like Cadburys, burger King etc( hardly luxury nececities have also seen sales increase. And stated the same reason).
At the end of the day it's quite an amazing thing I don't profess to understand it however it just works. The thing is it's so hard for people to grasp it understand why. It even amazes me at times and I do it for a living. |
well, if i remember correctly, there were more children born during the wars...
unlogical for a first sight, but it must have some hidden reason, i mean with this shopping results. as individuals - people may tend to behave differently and think of saving money in general, but as a society - the numbers finally show that they change their shopping habits. that means: someone else must have been bankrupted while a catalogue shopping increased. as you said: 10 pounds here, 12 pounds there... more of them allow themselves just little treats while their number increase. so in final numbers they buy more than before. just because they buy in little amounts...
clear enough |
TINKAPACE
Can you pls confirm.........
A few messages up your are saying £100 orders are common
NOW you are saying they are not except for Xmas
Could you pls confirm |
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Honest John
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| Honest John wrote: | | tinkapace wrote: | | montyzuma wrote: | Kleeneze has been going for a number of years, i agree.
Do you have facts for the turnover of the people selling on the ground floor?
Or the amount of money the average door stepper makes?
Of course you are going to have high earners such as you have shown but for everyone of them there must be a good few struggling along. |
Yes 60% of all active distributors earn over £500 every 4 weeks 30% of them earn over £1000 every 4 weeks.
The turnover is about £120 MIllion last year with half of it £60 Million being paid out to its distributors in earnings. Kleeneze provide earnings proof every 4 weeks to its distributors. This has been provided on this forum recently by me. |
Answer the questions.......
How much does the average dist. make
How much does the average dist have to outlay before the average dist makes any money
What happens if I buy a starter kit of approx £175, I put out all my books in any area like I was told. I find someone else picking up MY BOOKS & THREATENED IN FRONT OF MY SMALL CHILD to keep out of this F**king area as I'm doing it
My Next delivery guy also left becuae he was threatened
Why dont when you advertise you use the brand name????
Why do you say earn £20 - £30 per hour like adverts placed on the A44 bypass near Bladon, as thats complete lies as well
TBH I know theres a few lucky ones earning very good money & good luck to them. I know its a business but the ethics of this business stinks. I will make sure everyone I talk to knows this |
Any of you Kleenez guys wish to answer this???? |
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| tinkapace wrote: | | Honest John wrote: | | tinkapace wrote: | | montyzuma wrote: | Kleeneze has been going for a number of years, i agree.
Do you have facts for the turnover of the people selling on the ground floor?
Or the amount of money the average door stepper makes?
Of course you are going to have high earners such as you have shown but for everyone of them there must be a good few struggling along. |
Yes 60% of all active distributors earn over £500 every 4 weeks 30% of them earn over £1000 every 4 weeks.
The turnover is about £120 MIllion last year with half of it £60 Million being paid out to its distributors in earnings. Kleeneze provide earnings proof every 4 weeks to its distributors. This has been provided on this forum recently by me. |
60% earn just over £100 per week probably part time thats OK
30% earn approx £250 per week which is part/full time
so I'm presuming 10 % which to put in numbers is approx 50/60 people earn over £250 per week..........NOT REALLY GREAT IS IT????
For anyone to get into the top 10% is probably VERY VERY HARD
To earn over £250 per week I could get a job @ Tesco's, thats inspiring isn't it!!!!
Your answers & statements are not correct you are being fed duff information probably from your up line. This is called MLM BS just to keep you going. |
The facts are provided by Kleeneze. Not my Upline they are very easy to collate as they provide pay statements.
Most of the people earning over £1000 per month are not full time this is extra money on top of a full time job. I would say the average for full time is about £2,000 thats what I earn aprox. When I was part time I was earning £1300 per month for 15 hrs work.
In fact I agree with you if someone approaches me regarding Kleeneze and needs £250 per week NOW unless they are prapared to work very hard the best thing for them to do is get a job.
There are examples of people earning a living wage from day 1 full time however this is not common. Most people like me start off part time and only go full time when it it financialy safe to do so. WE use a formular for working out if full time is a good idea. if yo have 3 months wages in the bank, and if you earn less than £1500 per month then full time is an option. Not untill this point.
Kleeneze provides over time a good solid income that in the long term is more secure than any job at Tesco stacking shelves.
However it is not MLM BS its provable facts I deal in and it only works for very hard working self employed individuals with a grasp on reality.
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Christ almighty.........
There are examples of people earning a living wage from day 1 full time however this is not common. Most people like me start off part time and only go full time when it it financialy safe to do so. WE use a formular for working out if full time is a good idea. if yo have 3 months wages in the bank, and if you earn less than £1500 per month then full time is an option. Not untill this point.
DO YOU KNOW OF ANYONE PERSONALLY????
You really have been sucked in haven't you.
This is an easy question for you.............
Lets say the take home salary is £250 per week.........
How much money would I have to invest in the Kleeneze buisness to earn a living from day 1
I cant wait for this answer!!!!!
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You speak many elements of truth my friend. But whatever the reason they still buy so at the emd of the day Kleeneze works. Just a few points.
We have 100 customers in our customer base I agree the £100 plus orders are quite rare (apart from Christmas) most people order on average around £10 most people order on average 1 in 3 catalogues dropped I would say that is a good average.
As far as the recession goes. When it started Kleeneze HQ told us that sales would go up they always do in a recession. I doubted this statement, Hoerver they have lat month our sales were up by around 41% the month before 113%
The reason for this I feel is people like to spend, they cannot afford big purchases howerver they can afford £5 to £10 it makes them feel better. Companies like Cadburys, burger King etc( hardly luxury nececities have also seen sales increase. And stated the same reason).
At the end of the day it's quite an amazing thing I don't profess to understand it however it just works. The thing is it's so hard for people to grasp it understand why. It even amazes me at times and I do it for a living. |
well, if i remember correctly, there were more children born during the wars...
unlogical for a first sight, but it must have some hidden reason, i mean with this shopping results. as individuals - people may tend to behave differently and think of saving money in general, but as a society - the numbers finally show that they change their shopping habits. that means: someone else must have been bankrupted while a catalogue shopping increased. as you said: 10 pounds here, 12 pounds there... more of them allow themselves just little treats while their number increase. so in final numbers they buy more than before. just because they buy in little amounts...
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What a dumb statement, more MLM BS ..........
As far as the recession goes. When it started Kleeneze HQ told us that sales would go up they always do in a recession. I doubted this statement, Hoerver they have lat month our sales were up by around 41% the month before 113%
Sales dont go up in a recession the active distributor base goes up with more & more people looking for 2nd incomes.
What the company is trying to tell you is that more & more people will join Kleeneze & more & more people will get ripped off (Not by you I might add as you come across a decent guy) by investing in £170 starter packs which is where Kleeneze make most of their income form I would hazard a guess???
I'm not saying your personal sales figures are untrue just a tad unbelievable or you have just been very very very lucky that all of a sudden your 100 customers have doubled their spend????
I'll look forward to this answer as well
Regards
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Honest John,
In reply to your question about how much retail would result in £250 per week.
My maths is a little rusty but it looks like around £1200 per week @21% to make £252 gross.
Seems a tad unrealistic?
Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong! |
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| gumboil wrote: | Honest John,
In reply to your question about how much retail would result in £250 per week.
My maths is a little rusty but it looks like around £1200 per week @21% to make £252 gross.
Seems a tad unrealistic?
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Hi Gumboil
Thanks very much for the reply
Right then............ lets take this a stage further........
How much money would I have to outlay from day 1 to achieve £1200 in sales per week every week
Then.........how much time would this be???
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Hi John,
That's a bit of a 'how long is a piece of string?' question! Can only go from my own experience really but, here goes.
As a new start up, £170 for getting started pack plus 50 books = £200. This gives 200 books in total.
Assuming 2 catalogue drops per week, Fri for Monday pick up and Tuesday for Thursday pick up.
Sort and bag catalogues 3 hours (One time event with new books)
Drop off 2 hours
Pick up 2 hours
Return for stragglers 1 hour
Turn and sort books 2 hours
Deliveries 2 hours
Return for undelivered
order 1 hour
So, that's approximately 20 hours per week for the catalogue drop process, plus the one time event with a new consignment of 200 books of 3 hours = 23 hours.
Easy to see how I managed to rack up over 30 hours 'part time' on top of my day job! |
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tinkapace
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| Honest John wrote: | | tinkapace wrote: | | Honest John wrote: | | tinkapace wrote: | | montyzuma wrote: | Kleeneze has been going for a number of years, i agree.
Do you have facts for the turnover of the people selling on the ground floor?
Or the amount of money the average door stepper makes?
Of course you are going to have high earners such as you have shown but for everyone of them there must be a good few struggling along. |
Yes 60% of all active distributors earn over £500 every 4 weeks 30% of them earn over £1000 every 4 weeks.
The turnover is about £120 MIllion last year with half of it £60 Million being paid out to its distributors in earnings. Kleeneze provide earnings proof every 4 weeks to its distributors. This has been provided on this forum recently by me. |
60% earn just over £100 per week probably part time thats OK
30% earn approx £250 per week which is part/full time
so I'm presuming 10 % which to put in numbers is approx 50/60 people earn over £250 per week..........NOT REALLY GREAT IS IT????
For anyone to get into the top 10% is probably VERY VERY HARD
To earn over £250 per week I could get a job @ Tesco's, thats inspiring isn't it!!!!
Your answers & statements are not correct you are being fed duff information probably from your up line. This is called MLM BS just to keep you going. |
The facts are provided by Kleeneze. Not my Upline they are very easy to collate as they provide pay statements.
Most of the people earning over £1000 per month are not full time this is extra money on top of a full time job. I would say the average for full time is about £2,000 thats what I earn aprox. When I was part time I was earning £1300 per month for 15 hrs work.
In fact I agree with you if someone approaches me regarding Kleeneze and needs £250 per week NOW unless they are prapared to work very hard the best thing for them to do is get a job.
There are examples of people earning a living wage from day 1 full time however this is not common. Most people like me start off part time and only go full time when it it financialy safe to do so. WE use a formular for working out if full time is a good idea. if yo have 3 months wages in the bank, and if you earn less than £1500 per month then full time is an option. Not untill this point.
Kleeneze provides over time a good solid income that in the long term is more secure than any job at Tesco stacking shelves.
However it is not MLM BS its provable facts I deal in and it only works for very hard working self employed individuals with a grasp on reality.
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Christ almighty.........
There are examples of people earning a living wage from day 1 full time however this is not common. Most people like me start off part time and only go full time when it it financialy safe to do so. WE use a formular for working out if full time is a good idea. if yo have 3 months wages in the bank, and if you earn less than £1500 per month then full time is an option. Not untill this point.
DO YOU KNOW OF ANYONE PERSONALLY????
You really have been sucked in haven't you.
This is an easy question for you.............
Lets say the take home salary is £250 per week.........
How much money would I have to invest in the Kleeneze buisness to earn a living from day 1
I cant wait for this answer!!!!!
Here is a guy I know personally and it also answers a lot of questions
http://www.kleeneze03.com/kleeneze-testimonial-jun-li.htm
I also earn a full time wage, have taught 3 others to do the same We recently had an ex postmaster start full time and ordered 600 books £360 and earned £1500 in his first 4 weeks.
I still would not advise anyone to try it just like any other business unless they have a buffer of some savings. It's far more sensible to start part time
Regards
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tinkapace
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Sales dont go up in a recession the active distributor base goes up with more & more people looking for 2nd incomes.
What the company is trying to tell you is that more & more people will join Kleeneze & more & more people will get ripped off (Not by you I might add as you come across a decent guy) by investing in £170 starter packs which is where Kleeneze make most of their income form I would hazard a guess???
I'm not saying your personal sales figures are untrue just a tad unbelievable or you have just been very very very lucky that all of a sudden your 100 customers have doubled their spend????
I'll look forward to this answer as well
Regards
John[/quote]
I understand how your cinfusion has started I missed a 0 off I have 1000 customers sorry.
You have an opinion thats fine I have the facts I have my own records and I speak to Kleeneze HQ on a regular basis, If you refuse to believe them that does not make them untru.
Kleeneze report 35% increase in sales this year fact...we are in recesion sales are increasing
My personal growth is as follows.
Period 1: 46% increase
Period 2: 21% increase
Period 3: 78% increase
Period 4 : 35% Increase
Period 5: 112% Increase
Period 6: 72% Increase
Period 7: 41% Increase |
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tinkapace
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Answer the questions.......
How much does the average dist. make
The only figures I have are 60% of active distributors earn over £500 per month and 30% earn over £1000 per month.There are a number of inactive distributors however that will bring to total averages down so the only fair way is to work the average out on active distributors.
How much does the average dist have to outlay before the average dist makes any money
No idea at all, sorry. However apart from 5 all of the people I have in my team have made a profit within 1 month( I have 35)
What happens if I buy a starter kit of approx £175, I put out all my books in any area like I was told. I find someone else picking up MY BOOKS & THREATENED IN FRONT OF MY SMALL CHILD to keep out of this F**king area as I'm doing it
My Next delivery guy also left becuae he was threatened
We have also had this happen, This is digusting why do you think they do it? the answer is because they are making so much money doing it, if they were not it would not bother them would it? Kleeneze take a very dim view of this and we have had 2 distributors struck off who have harrased our team members. Unfortunatly bad people join Kleeneze as well as nice ones. They are dealt with most severley. However it is difficult. lets say you wanted to get rid of someone and made up a story to get someone struck off ?
Why dont when you advertise you use the brand name????
Firstly Kleeneze MUST aprove all adverts that use their name and this involves submitting the advert. If the Name is not used then no approval is needed. Thats why peope tend not to do it. There is also a lot of pre judging that goes on, for example in our team we have a Doctor, and a policeman. Both of these people admit they would not have responded to a "Kleeneze" ad as they felt it below them. They would have in our plicemans words" missed out on a goldern opportunity"
Why do you say earn £20 - £30 per hour like adverts placed on the A44 bypass near Bladon, as thats complete lies as well
The reason is because its true there are people earning this. However as with alll marketing it depends on how you measure it. For example this week I picked up £1000 of presonal orders including bonus this has earned me £363.75 for about 40 hrs being £9.09 per hr from retailing however I have doubled that with the incom I get for running and supporting my team so a total hourly rate of about £20 is correct. TBH I know theres a few lucky ones earning very good money & good luck to them. I know its a business but the ethics of this business stinks. I will make sure everyone I talk to knows this[/quote]
Just make certain that you use the words "In my experience" before you start giving your opinions. Everyones opinon is based on their own experiences. Yours is different to mine and many others, it is also similar to others too.
In my opinion Kleeneze has provided me with a fantstic life, and a huge amount of Job satisfaction. When someone takes you by the hand and thanks you for helping them as they simply would not have been able to cope with Christmas with tears in theie eyes. It makes it all worthwhile believe me. I believer there are NO business ethics higher in the UK today. What could possibly be more ethical than paying me directly proportional to the amount of money I help people make. One of my team members earns £1500 per month I taught him to do this. Kleeneze pay me £250 every month for helping him. He will ALWAYS earn more money out of his business than Kleeneze pay me. If you can name me one job where the boss earns less money than the empolyee out of his efforts come back to me.
There are more than just a fiew lucky ones my friend I can provide all the proof anyone needs just ask me.
Any of you Kleenez guys wish to answer this????[/quote]
There are successes and failures in every walk of life. One of the best examples of this is the driving test. people fail the driving test if someone said to you "I failed my test it cost me £600 what a waste of money that was, I am going to tell everyone I meet not to waste their money on it."
"But look ot the window you would reply thousands of people passed I can see them"
" They are the lucky ones I failed so just believe ME not them"
What would you do.
I think I know the answer. |
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gumboil
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| waterloo wrote: | As I said in the last post..... Including the initial investment after 8 WEEKS I would be £1,000 in profit and every 4 weeks after that would be the same.
Even in the first 4 weeks with only £72.50 I'd be 500 times more in profit than your 15p. |
Assuming that customers ordered at the same, or even higher order value?
I've nothing against network marketing per se. I think it's great!
It's just that product based NM companies rely on repeat customer orders, whereas the NM company I'm with doesn't. You see the customer once and that's it, you get paid every month, whether you do any more work or not.
That's what made the difference for me . I have a true residual income. For a fraction of the work. |
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Jezzebbel
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Kleeneze biz is definitely something I would consider. I know its legit. I am aware that a person has to put so much into the job. No-one can stand up and say they have been scammed because what you earn depends on how much you put into it.
Unfortunately I am not ready for it yet - Kleeneze agents please DON'T contact me with offers (I won't respond to spam resulting from my comments). When I am ready I will Google for Agents near where I live. |
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Honest John
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| gumboil wrote: | Hi John,
That's a bit of a 'how long is a piece of string?' question! Can only go from my own experience really but, here goes.
As a new start up, £170 for getting started pack plus 50 books = £200. This gives 200 books in total.
Assuming 2 catalogue drops per week, Fri for Monday pick up and Tuesday for Thursday pick up.
Sort and bag catalogues 3 hours (One time event with new books)
Drop off 2 hours
Pick up 2 hours
Return for stragglers 1 hour
Turn and sort books 2 hours
Deliveries 2 hours
Return for undelivered
order 1 hour
So, that's approximately 20 hours per week for the catalogue drop process, plus the one time event with a new consignment of 200 books of 3 hours = 23 hours.
Easy to see how I managed to rack up over 30 hours 'part time' on top of my day job! |
Hi Gumboil
Thanks for this
I think this debate is as you said, "How long is a piece of string"
I tried it as well, maybe I didn't stick at it long enough or maybe I did.............No I think I did!!!
I'm unfortunate enough that I dont need the money but feel really really sorry for all the people that join Kleeneze. My saying what comes around goes around & it will.
There'always been big rumours of Kleeneze going under, the fiasco of the European Home Retail Group & the missing Farepack money which I know really up set a lot of Kleeneze uplines has never been found
There is some good people in this MLM world but unfortunately theres more peolpe that are simply sucked in & sold a complete dream that will never ever be achieved.
I know of so many people that have lost money & on my kids life I have only ever met a couple of people face to face that have
Regards
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Honest John
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| tinkapace wrote: | Sales dont go up in a recession the active distributor base goes up with more & more people looking for 2nd incomes.
What the company is trying to tell you is that more & more people will join Kleeneze & more & more people will get ripped off (Not by you I might add as you come across a decent guy) by investing in £170 starter packs which is where Kleeneze make most of their income form I would hazard a guess???
I'm not saying your personal sales figures are untrue just a tad unbelievable or you have just been very very very lucky that all of a sudden your 100 customers have doubled their spend????
I'll look forward to this answer as well
Regards
John |
I understand how your cinfusion has started I missed a 0 off I have 1000 customers sorry.
You have an opinion thats fine I have the facts I have my own records and I speak to Kleeneze HQ on a regular basis, If you refuse to believe them that does not make them untru.
Kleeneze report 35% increase in sales this year fact...we are in recesion sales are increasing
My personal growth is as follows.
Period 1: 46% increase
Period 2: 21% increase
Period 3: 78% increase
Period 4 : 35% Increase
Period 5: 112% Increase
Period 6: 72% Increase
Period 7: 41% Increase[/quote]
Your saying that you've had the stated increases above from the same ooopppppsssssss all of a sudden same 1000 customers????
If so you must be the only business to do so, obviousley I'm not disputing your statement 
These stated figures could actually mean you've put more books out though doesn't it????
As you speak to Kleeneze regular coudd you let me know some facts for my own information.......
How much sales does Kleeneze generate per week (Sales that customers have bought products)???
How much did Kleeneze turnover last year???
How much did Kleeneze turnover in startup packs last year???
How many actives distributor have Kleeneze???
Have you got any proof that Kleenezes sales are up 35% this year???
I would hazard an idea that any business showing this sort of ecomonic growth would be plastered across the media networks
Regards
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tinkapace
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These stated figures could actually mean you've put more books out though doesn't it????
Well I have but not enough to give that kind of increase.
As you speak to Kleeneze regular coudd you let me know some facts for my own information.......
How much sales does Kleeneze generate per week (Sales that customers have bought products)???
Over £2.3 Million
How much did Kleeneze turnover last year???
£120 Million+
How much did Kleeneze turnover in startup packs last year???
No idea however I do know they are subsidised they cost us 67p each this does not cover the cost.
How many actives distributor have Kleeneze???
10,000
Have you got any proof that Kleenezes sales are up 35% this year???
Yes I have been told by the MD and it has been published in the newsletters.
here is a direct quote from it
“But our problems aren’t exactly the same as other retailers. Our
problems are that you don’t seem to believe what our economic and
political leaders are telling us and I don’t think that you take much
notice of the media either. And because of that your December sales
were an amazing 13% higher than in
2007 and on average 35% up year on year. You achieved sales growth at a
time when retailers across the globe
were reporting sales decreases, many
over 25% down.”
After the very well-deserved roar of
applause that received, Patrick went
on to explain why this recession is
good for our business. With
sentiments that very much echoed Ed
Ludbrook’s later in the day, the CEO
explained that in light of the forecasts
for unemployment and house repossession in the UK, this was the
time to give people the opportunity to build a secure future – one that
will survive any other economic turbulence that may happen in the
next few years.
After Patrick’s rousing speech, Kleeneze’s
own Managing Director, Jamie Stewart took
to the stage and he had some even more
amazing announcements.
I would hazard an idea that any business showing this sort of ecomonic growth would be plastered across the media networks
It has indeed here are a few links.
A radio tees article
http://www.robnray.info/Audio/radiotees.html
Am ITV news report
http://bigcontact.com/fp/flash/fp/fp.swf?xmlurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbigcontact.com%2FKleenezeVideoPromos%2Frss&r=1&t=2000&location=KleenezeVideoPromos
And a press article from the Observer in Feb of this year..
Kleeneze strikes gold in recession
February 2009
Recession has bitten, leading economists to predict a gloomy 2.1 per cent decline in the country’s gross domestic product for 2009*. But one sector that is bucking the trend is Direct Selling and, according to the Direct Selling Association (DSA), it is an industry accountable for £2billion of the UK’s economy per year, with over 70 million consumer transactions processed annually, showing no signs of slowing down.
Kleeneze, the UK’s most successful and established direct selling company, reported not only an 11 per cent increase in retail sales in December 2008, but is also riding the wave of the economic downturn with an influx of new recruits. The number of new distributors jumped by 24 per cent in January, bringing the total number of representatives to well over the 10,000 mark.
Outperforming other retail companies, the home shopping giant provides affordable health and home products, giving it the tools to thrive in a recession where others don’t. The convenience of free home delivery enables Kleeneze to also offer a personalised service that many other retailers cannot.
Recent figures revealed that the UK’s personal debt is at a staggering £1,456billion** – more than any other European country. This, coupled with the heavily-publicised spate of redundancies affecting banking, retail and property among others, has forced significant numbers of people to look for an alternative income to make ends meet.
Kleeneze has become a lifeline to many, offering stability in a volatile time by allowing people to quickly take control of their finances, earn from day one, be their own boss and establish their own work-from-home business.
A legitimate business opportunity selling affordable products via a range of quirky catalogues, there are no territorial restrictions or prohibitive start-up costs, working hours are flexible and there is unlimited earnings potential.
Stand-alone distributors can earn in excess of £38,500 a year, with some network heads earning almost £400,000 a year.
Jamie Stewart, the pioneering Managing Director of Kleeneze, comments: “The recent economic climate has meant we have experienced solid growth, not only in terms of the number of new recruits but subsequently, in retail sales too.
Kleeneze has been enabling individuals the UK over to take control of their careers and give them financial independence for over 85 years.
Similar to a franchise business, ongoing support and training is central to the business, but unlike other franchised businesses, there is a very low start up cost involved.
“We have people in the business that joined during the last recession, and they have now gone on to become serious Kleeneze high-flyers. Individuals get out of this business whatever they are willing to put in - it’s all about hard work and dedication.
“The key to Kleeneze’s success is our range of products that continue to sell regardless of the economic climate. Britain is a house proud nation, and as such, products like those Kleeneze produce will continue to thrive - it’s all about improving as opposed to moving in the current climate, and we are perfectly positioned to take advantage of this.”
The recession is set to stay until 2010, and with unemployment predicted to rise to 3.1 million*** over the next two years, increasing numbers of individuals will be looking to supplement or replace their regular income via alternative means.
The home shopping distribution channel is one of the fastest growing worldwide retail trends, and with over 30 million homes in the UK and ROI, opportunities for direct selling businesses to flourish are vast – it’s definitely one to watch for 2009.
Regards
John[/quote] |
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tinkapace
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| Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:30 am Post subject: Hi John, More Press (This weeks Sunday Observer) |
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This time it's ME....and my Daughter.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2009/jul/26/graduate-careers-direct-selling-avon
There are loads of articles like this so I won't paste anymore. However there is another national TV news report due out soon I will mail post the link if you want me to John?
I have list as long as your arm of links to recent press and media reports on Kleeneze success. I dont know how many you want. So at the risk of being accused of something other than just replying to your request I will not post anymore. |
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