Facts about KLEENEZE

tinkapace · Joined: 10 Apr 2009 Posts: 44 Location: Walsall

Last blanket drop I did was 220 catalogues. Took me 1.5 hours to drop out and 1.5 hours to pick up plus half hour to pick up stragglers. 12 orders received. Order value £285.00. Took less than 1 hour to deliver all the goods.[/quote]

I work on 100 books per hr when blanket dropping and have found this to be a good average. I never dropped more than 200 books per week when I was part time and I regularly recorded the hrs I worked. It worked out most weeks to around 15 hrs per week. This has been proven throughout our team.

If 200 books are taking more than 15 hrs including turning round and product deliveries it is being done wrong.

Honest John · Joined: 21 Jul 2009 Posts: 79

Honest John · Joined: 21 Jul 2009 Posts: 79

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tinkapace · Joined: 10 Apr 2009 Posts: 44 Location: Walsall

I have never been called TInk by anyone other than my brother in 46 years, how strange is that ??Thanks for the answers, most apprecaited

Are you December profits up 11% or 13% seems to be 2 differences here???
I believe it to be 13%

Your £120M TURNOVER is this sales or includes your startup kits????
I do not know for certain but if it did it would not make that much difference if all 10,000 had joined in the one year it would only knock off about 1.25 million and that did not obviously hapen.
Your £120M TURNOVER divided by 52 weeks of the year = £2.3M per week, You trade over the Xmas & New Year periods????

Yes Kleeneze only shut for 2 days at Christmas and 1 day over new year. It is quite common for distributors to drop books over the christmas period. Boxing day is perticularly lucrative. People are at home, slobbing out and a catalogur pops through the door. Many people pick it up and order....strange but oh so true. January is the start of Kleeneze January sale thes catalogues last year were in our packs on Boxing Day.
Thnaks for the links & Feb reports. I found this link which is around Novemeber http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7785950.stm Whats your take on this???

Thanks for that John I had not seen this. Betterware is another good British company with a fine reputation. There are however a few differences. They do not operate a network marketing business model. They have 2 retailers and area co ordinators. Area co ordinators are positions and are not open to averyone without application unlike us. They provide catalogues free. However it is a small catalogue in comparison which is reflected in their annual turnove being half of Kleeneze's. Catalogues are supplied FOC provided you achieve certain targets. NO bags are supplied free for books I beliebve ? ( I may be wrong on this one) All distributors purchase their goods from their area co ordinator as apposed from directly from Kleeneze in our case. Every new Kleeneze distributoer is provided with a £500 credit facility regardless of vredit status on start up. This is quite a plus fact. Kleeneze are prepared to back every new distributor with £500 of their money. Area co ordinators are also held resposible for any team members accounts if they do not pay the money!! Kleeneze do not do this. WE operate a bonus system which can add up to an extra 21% on to your retail profit too. Betterware do not do this.

Many Betterware distributors seem to feel the need to bang on about how better they are than Kleeneze. THis is a silly pastime. Both companues are good honest companies. I will not be drawn into this agrument.As you & the better half are earning £30K between you I take it is your one of the top people & in the top 10% bracket you were mentioning before???

Yes you are correct it is between us. We are not one of the top 10% by any means. Incomes well over what we earn are being made by many people.
Couple of other points.........can you earn money without retailing??? EG recruiting people without delivering the books???

Yes is the answer in theory. I know of people who have done this. However the earnings in the early months will be considerably lower. Most people retail untill the point they can stop because they have built up a large team income. That is our plan. However we intend to always retail some amount as we feel this is important. I personaly dont feel comfortable asking people to do something that I do not do. However we do have a team member who is a team leader who through health reasons only does a small retail of on average £200 per month. He has a good solid team and earns around £800 per month. The only stipulation Kleeneze place on you is you MUST place a personal order every three months to remain active. This however can be any amount. Team structure is very important if a business is built this way however this is taught when it becames an issue.
I join your team.............I build some fairly successful links & one of them directly behind me gets very strong with another, lets say 10 people joining his link......... With me so far???? I for some reason lose this direct link behind me, lets say he leaves or gets poached by a higher ranking Kleeneze group.........Whats happeens to my income????

This cannot happen. Firstly anyone quitting can only rejoin in with the same team he was in before for 2 years. If you have a team member that builds a team and he quits. everyone in his team just "shunts" up to you.
Thanks very much so far for your answers I will try & find out some more & thanks again very much for your responses
You are welcome. However you must remember I do NOT work for Kleeneze I run my own business I do however attend training courses on how to be a team leader as do many people the anwers I give you are simply because I am trained to do my job, just like any one taking it seriously. Kleeneze provide many training events along with workshops to teach people how to run their business at whatever level they get involved at. it is also the responsibility of a team leader to train his team.

Sadly not everyone who joins sees the need to attend or indeed learn these skills. Therefore it is vital that anyone starting a Kleeneze business partakes of some degree of trainig. EVERY member of our team making money attends these Every one who has Quit did not.
Regards
John[/quote]

waterloo · Joined: 22 Jul 2009 Posts: 7

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gumboil · Joined: 15 May 2009 Posts: 32

Kleeneze or any network marketing company is a very steep learning curve. Unless you're prepared to do the learning and think outside the traditional business or job scenario, you're going to find it very hard. It's a completely different way of thinking about earning money. It's a business model and how many of us are suitably equipped to understand this?

However, to combat this learned way of thinking, I do feel that Kleeneze plays the 'earn money from day one' card to its detriment, hence the steep attrition figures. You don't earn money from day one! You might make some sales but, if you offset those sales against what you paid out in the first place to get those sales, you're probably making a loss. Cash collected doesn't mean cash in your pocket.

There's a decided lack of information and honesty here. However, they must earn money from the start up kits and the turnover of new people shelling out for these and then jacking it in.

Most people are looking for a quick fix, instant monetary injection and when you take all the other factors into account, this isn't quite what happens. The majority of people are used to working for other people, get their salaries and don't have to think about the overheads etc that come into play to make the profits to pay people. I'd say, the majority of people don't really understand what working for yourself or being self employed actually means. They don't have the book keeping skills, they've never needed to even think about them!

They don't realise that income less expenditure income means net profit, which is what you're left with. That could be a minus or a positive.

In the slightly slanted words of the famous Micawber, 'Income 6 pence, outgoings 6 1/2 pence - result - misery'. Keep a sharp eye on what you spend to keep the 'business' going.

tinkapace · Joined: 10 Apr 2009 Posts: 44 Location: Walsall

tinkapace · Joined: 10 Apr 2009 Posts: 44 Location: Walsall

caroline follen · Joined: 31 Jul 2009 Posts: 1

Why would you bother with kleeneze when Betterware supply all books and stationery free of charge and give you set areas were no body else from Betterware goes, with over 80years experience they no how to run a proffessional buissness.

tinkapace · Joined: 10 Apr 2009 Posts: 44 Location: Walsall

Honest John · Joined: 21 Jul 2009 Posts: 79

Honest John · Joined: 21 Jul 2009 Posts: 79

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tinkapace · Joined: 10 Apr 2009 Posts: 44 Location: Walsall

All the answers are in Red John.

If you are involved in BW I have many questions I would like to ask you as we have a few ex BW in our team and I an personally friends with a BW co ordinator. Infact we buy products from each other.

However I feel this forim is not the place please email me on tpace@blueyonder.co.uk

I have a copy of the current area co ordinator training manual and find it most intertesting. Especialy the bit on how to trick the jobcentres into taking your ads.

tinkapace · Joined: 10 Apr 2009 Posts: 44 Location: Walsall

Unless anyone wants to carry this on I will not post any more however My Daughter has now made the Sun

http://terriergroup.net/priv/files/kleeneze-sun-newspaper-august-2009.htm

I work in an industry that to put it simply is unbelievable. I earn my money doing it and at times I don't believe it. Only the other day I was talking to a guy and as I spoke the words( I was explaining to him my experiences) I thought to myself this sounds like total lies. The one thing I have learned is NOT to be shocked at the rersponse you get from people

I do earn £20 per hr, I have qualified for £3000 of free holiday in October. I started off for an investment of under £200 I have a business that has so far this year turned over £120k I can prove every single statememt I make.

I started with the same kit as all the people who failed, it contained NO customers, it contained NO team members, I have the same catalogues as the people who fail, I have the same prices, the same rain. The same out of stocks, The only thing that is different is...ME

I am no superstar, I am just willing to learn and prepared to work all hours God sends to create from nothing a business that works. I simply refuse to accept failure. Whatever it takes. Whatever it costs. I simply will not give in I refuse.

I believe every human being has greatness within them. I also believe that we are human beings. Not human havings. We have to be something in life before we can have things. Not Have things and then build a life to pay for them. This I learned the hard way.

There are failures in every field of life along with the successes. To base ones own success on anothers failure in any field of life is just stupid.

I wish every one who reads this a healthy and successful life whatever your chosen path.

YOU do not have to be someone elses perception of YOU
NEVER EVER be so busy earning a living in life that you have no time to make any money.
Always examine your self before you blame another for where you are in life.
Just because you do not believe it does not mean that it is not true.

gumboil · Joined: 15 May 2009 Posts: 32

Fine sentiments.

But! Kleeneze is a spent force I find.

Too many distributrors leave too quickly to keep the machine turning. It's hell to plug the gaps.

Get yourselves some gorm and find another way or company that offers essentials that people can't live without rather than over priced chinese imported tat!

Share price is at 32.5 today! Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.........thinks?

tinkapace · Joined: 10 Apr 2009 Posts: 44 Location: Walsall

barrieg · Joined: 10 Aug 2009 Posts: 5 Location: Chester UK

As with most businesses if you want to succeed you have to put the work in.
I get tired of people thinking that if they sign up to something like Kleeneze they are going to get loads of money without effort on their part.
People wth real ambition and a genuine will to work will make money with Kleeneze, just don't expect it overnight.
As for the expense part, do you need to mortgage your home to start a network marketing business, no.
Do you know of any business that doesn't have to shell out some money for the tools, No.
Do you know of any worthwhile business or job that doesn't require a learning cycle, No.
In short Kleeneze, as with my business still demands some effort and a little bit of expense but gives you a real and genuine opportunity to make a much better life for yourself, in the end it's your effort that makes the difference between success and failure.

Honest John · Joined: 21 Jul 2009 Posts: 79

tinkapace · Joined: 10 Apr 2009 Posts: 44 Location: Walsall

gumboil · Joined: 15 May 2009 Posts: 32

Tink,

I appreciate that you are running your business ethically and honestly.

BUT! I've just witnessed a young Mum of two toddlers, who has a disabled husband and no car, crash and burn after being told that she can make around £200 per month in her 'spare' time. Hence my rather outraged post earlier and this is where my problem lies with Kleeneze. People are lied to! People who are desperate, are shown the 'income' cheques and told that they can make X amount of money for a few hours per week.

You, (and doubtless others like you), have been in the business long enough to be able to work it to suit your own particular lifestyles. If you have toddlers, no vehicle and a disabled partner, it's a different story, they're on a hiding to nothing. Surely, if a distributor wants long term team members, they should 'vet' the applicants and be up front about the time involvement etc?

Now, this lass doesn't have much spare cash/ energy as you can imagine.

What ON EARTH were the sponsors thinking??? This is not an isolated incident by the way, with a varient on the circumstances. The sponsors were so anxious to plug the holes left by departing distributors to maintain their own position, that anyone who waved a cheque book would do.

As long as this sort of attitude continues, there will be negative feedback. And it sort of contributes answers the questions about why Kleeneze has such a high turnover of distributors, nothing to do with 'Kleeneze works, it's people that don't'. People are lied to.