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Frenske
Joined: 20 Mar 2009 Posts: 21
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Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:21 am Post subject: Termination of Assured Shorthold Tenancy |
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Hi,
I have been given a new AST contract for my flat since the old one will expire on 15th April. I have not signed the contract yet since I have been looking around for other options. However the notice mentions that I need to give one month notice if don't want to sign the contract. Although it would be polite to do so, I cannot find any information if this is legally required. It is not mentioned in the contract nor can i find in the 'Assured and assured shorthold tenancies: A guide for tenants' from the government.
I know that the tenant has to give one month notice for ending the letting agreement (after the first 6months), but am I obliged to give a one month notice even if the contract ends anyway.
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Bluey Community Moderator
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Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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You will find Shelter an excellent source of information - they provide free advice to tenants about their housing rights.
There is no legal requirement to give notice during a fixed term agreement.
"What happens when my agreement runs out?
If your agreement is for a fixed term (eg six months), you can leave on the last day of the fixed term without giving notice. But you must ensure that you do not stay even one day over, or you will automatically become a periodic tenant and will have to give proper notice or come to an agreement with your landlord.
If you intend to leave on the last day you are not legally required to give the landlord any notice, but it's usually a good idea to do so, to avoid any dispute about when you actually left.
http://england.shelter.org.uk/get_advice/renting_and_leasehold/ending_a_tenancy_or_licence/ending_a_fixed_term_agreement
If you don't sign this agreement then you automatically become a periodic tenant which requires you to give 1 months notice or the landlord to give you 2 months notice timed with the rental payment. It's common for landlords to want to lock tenants in on fixed term contracts while others don't mind periodic tenancies (which sound as if this would suit you better). In that case, you'd better instruct them that you won't sign a new AST and take the risk that they give you notice.
http://england.shelter.org.uk/get_advice/renting_and_leasehold/ending_a_tenancy_or_licence/ending_a_periodic_agreement |
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Property Manager
Joined: 13 Mar 2009 Posts: 27
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Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:06 am Post subject: |
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Dear Frenske
In a word, yes, if your current tenancy agreement does not expire until 15th April you will still need to give notice before you leave on this date. |
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Bluey Community Moderator
Joined: 21 Mar 2006 Posts: 5644
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Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Property Manager wrote: | Dear Frenske
In a word, yes, if your current tenancy agreement does not expire until 15th April you will still need to give notice before you leave on this date. |
I disagree - there is plenty of information on Shelter and specialist landlord forums that lead me to believe that fixed term contracts require no notice whatsover from the tenant to end even if the clause is present in the AST (but that its a courtesy to inform the landlord if there is no intention to renew). |
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Property Manager
Joined: 13 Mar 2009 Posts: 27
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Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Bluey wrote: | | Property Manager wrote: | Dear Frenske
In a word, yes, if your current tenancy agreement does not expire until 15th April you will still need to give notice before you leave on this date. |
I disagree - there is plenty of information on Shelter and specialist landlord forums that lead me to believe that fixed term contracts require no notice whatsover from the tenant to end even if the clause is present in the AST (but that its a courtesy to inform the landlord if there is no intention to renew). |
Even on a standard periodic tenancy agreement the contract has to be terminated by both sides this is a statatory 1 month notice, unless the tenant has been served with a section 21 by the landlord or agent, if this is the case then notice has already been given, by the landlord and the tenant does not need to also give notice |
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Bluey Community Moderator
Joined: 21 Mar 2006 Posts: 5644
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Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Property Manager wrote: | | Bluey wrote: | | Property Manager wrote: | Dear Frenske
In a word, yes, if your current tenancy agreement does not expire until 15th April you will still need to give notice before you leave on this date. |
I disagree - there is plenty of information on Shelter and specialist landlord forums that lead me to believe that fixed term contracts require no notice whatsover from the tenant to end even if the clause is present in the AST (but that its a courtesy to inform the landlord if there is no intention to renew). |
Even on a standard periodic tenancy agreement the contract has to be terminated by both sides this is a statatory 1 month notice, unless the tenant has been served with a section 21 by the landlord or agent, if this is the case then notice has already been given, by the landlord and the tenant does not need to also give notice |
I don't understand what you mean about termination of a contract by both sides - one or other serves the notice as far as I am aware but feel free to clarify.
A periodic tenancy can be ended by a tenant with a month's notice or by the landlord serving 2 months notice (timed with the rental period), and yes, the latter is usually done via a section 21.
A fixed term contract requires no notice to be served by either party - it is for that period of time only and though there is a common assumption that one or the other must provide a month's notice before leaving, this is just a common misunderstanding. The requirement for a months notice is not enforceable - there is no requirement in housing law that I am aware of that makes this legit. |
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mutley1

Joined: 19 Dec 2008 Posts: 434 Location: wacky races
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Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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Irrespective of what the legalities are on this issue, I would advise tenants to give their month's notice before leaving as it is only fair that the landlord be given the chance to advertise the property to avoid lengthy voids.
If you leave on bad terms with the landlord, he can make your life difficult by delaying the return of your deposit. He can raise damage issues which he may otherwise forgo if the tenant left on good terms to claw back money he may lose due to the delay of re-advertising the property.
Some AST may also include a specific clause to say that the tenant must give a month's notice to leave on the last day. |
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tootootootoot
Joined: 26 Mar 2009 Posts: 2
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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[quote]A fixed term contract requires no notice to be served by either party - it is for that period of time only and though there is a common assumption that one or the other must provide a month's notice before leaving, this is just a common misunderstanding. The requirement for a months notice is not enforceable - there is no requirement in housing law that I am aware of that makes this legit.[/quote]
What if your fixed term AST agreement specifies a term for notice? Mine says "A term of six months commencing on {date} provided that either party may determine this agreement on {date+6 months} by giving the other party not less than two months notice."
Can I still leave the house without giving notice on the final day of the 6 month period without having to pay the next months rent? |
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mutley1

Joined: 19 Dec 2008 Posts: 434 Location: wacky races
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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| As I have said in my post above, some AST will have specific clauses with regard on leaving on the last day. You will need to stick to your contract terms as you have signed an agreement to agree to it when you first moved in. |
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tootootootoot
Joined: 26 Mar 2009 Posts: 2
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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 9:20 am Post subject: |
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[quote="mutley1"]As I have said in my post above, some AST will have specific clauses with regard on leaving on the last day. You will need to stick to your contract terms as you have signed an agreement to agree to it when you first moved in.[/quote]
But does that clause mean I must give two months notice if I leave on the last day? Or just if I want to leave before the end of the sixth months? |
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Bluey Community Moderator
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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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Toots,
This is clearly something that the contributors to this thread can't agree on. I believe the clauses are invalid and no notice is required to be given to end a fixed term tenancy because housing law trumps the clause and its not enforceable while others disagree.
Check with Shelter or Citizens Advice Bureau - come back and let us know as its a common query on this forum.
Bluey |
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colin44

Joined: 07 Jan 2009 Posts: 338 Location: Bristol
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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Bluey wrote: | | (but that its a courtesy to inform the landlord if there is no intention to renew). |
I totally agree.
I have never had a Tenant just up and leave... even if the LAW says he / she can...
Common courtesy costs nothing. If everything that you do was to the letter of the LAW we would all be talking through Lawyers just to make sure that we do everything that the LAW requires.
Common sense is best in most cases.
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mutley1

Joined: 19 Dec 2008 Posts: 434 Location: wacky races
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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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| tootootootoot wrote: | | But does that clause mean I must give two months notice if I leave on the last day? Or just if I want to leave before the end of the sixth months? |
It means you must give 2 months before the last day if you want to leave on the last day.
I believe that contract law (not tenancy law, but any contract law) can be agreed outside of a tenancy contract. That is, whatever tenancy law says, if the tenant and the landlord had written up an agreement that the tenant agrees to look after the landlord's dog while he stays in the property, then that is binding, whether tenancy law dictates it or not!
Tenants should understand what they are signing before they sign it and should be happy with the terms and conditions of an agreement before they sign such agreement.
Just like you should read the terms and conditions of your mobile phone contract before taking out a contract with the mobile phone provider. |
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Bluey Community Moderator
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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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Nope - my understanding is completely different.
Landlords can insert whatever they like in a contract but it can never replace any existing housing law.
Therefore if its on the statute books that during a fixed term contract, no notice is required to be given, the clauses are irrelevant and can't be enforced.
And, for example, a landlord can have a clause to say a tenant will be evicted within a week of rent arrears but if they act on this, they will be severely punished if the tenant challenges the action in court as it contradicts statutory notice. |
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mutley1

Joined: 19 Dec 2008 Posts: 434 Location: wacky races
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Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 8:51 am Post subject: |
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| Bluey wrote: | Nope - my understanding is completely different.
Landlords can insert whatever they like in a contract but it can never replace any existing housing law.
Therefore if its on the statute books that during a fixed term contract, no notice is required to be given, the clauses are irrelevant and can't be enforced.
And, for example, a landlord can have a clause to say a tenant will be evicted within a week of rent arrears but if they act on this, they will be severely punished if the tenant challenges the action in court as it contradicts statutory notice. |
Well, we will have to agree to disagree on this one as I am a specialist in contract law. I write multi million pound contracts everyday in my professional life. Your example refers to eviction, which is dfferent as someone being thrown out of their homes have gone beyond contracts but have fallen into the physical world of "crime and punishment" if I may use such an analogy.
There I rest my case. |
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ajjubaba
Joined: 24 Mar 2009 Posts: 1
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Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 12:15 pm Post subject: Re: Termination of Assured Shorthold Tenancy |
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| Frenske wrote: | Hi,
I have been given a new AST contract for my flat since the old one will expire on 15th April. I have not signed the contract yet since I have been looking around for other options. However the notice mentions that I need to give one month notice if don't want to sign the contract. Although it would be polite to do so, I cannot find any information if this is legally required. It is not mentioned in the contract nor can i find in the 'Assured and assured shorthold tenancies: A guide for tenants' from the government.
I know that the tenant has to give one month notice for ending the letting agreement (after the first 6months), but am I obliged to give a one month notice even if the contract ends anyway.
Francois |
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Lawson999
Joined: 12 Aug 2009 Posts: 3
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Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 11:23 am Post subject: Section 21 or Section 8 |
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You can issue or fasttrack an eviction if the tenant has done something wrong, such as not paying their rent on time or being in arrears or not looking after the property, by using a Section 8. This means you can apply to the court for an eviction notice after 2 weeks has gone after notice has been served. If the tenant is a persistent nuisance to the neighbouring properties then you can apply to have the eviction undertaken via the courts within the 2 weeks and not wait.
Hope this helps.
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**Pika**
Joined: 23 Jul 2009 Posts: 42
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Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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If your last AST has expired, and you've not yet signed a new one (I'm surprised your agent let it go that long!) then you will probably be on what is known as a rolling contract (aka month-to-month tenency).
In most tenancy agreements there is a clause which states that you should give the landlord "reasonable notice".
Basically, you are not in contract and therefore you can technically leave whenever you want, however the landlord may try to keep part of your bond to cover the period in which they would have usually arranged viewings and marketing.
I would suggest that maybe two weeks notice might be an acceptable compromise to both parties? (I know that in this kind of situation we accept 2weeks at a push). I'd advise you to give your agent a call and talk it through with them  |
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