[wisdom_uk]

If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck its probably a duck.

This that are to good to be true usualy are

Regards

[gullas@hotmail.com]

I am so glad I googled the phone number. I almost fell for the below scam. the pictures looked really good and the price was of course too good to be true.




It is a ground floor flat and all bills are included in the rent such as gas, electricity, water, council tax, TV license, internet and sky.




Let me know when you want to come and view my flat, so that i will plan my time here and make sure am there before you arrive.




The only thing is that i need double assurance, because i want to avoid traveling from Birmingham to london in vain, i can afford my fare, but i can't afford to waste my time.




My Lawyer will get a contract ready for you to sign if you like to take the flat after viewing and the keys will be handed over to you immediately after contract has been signed.




Also, receipt of payment will be issued to you after which you'l have to sign the lease agreement form.




I was discussing with my Lawyer about the idea on how i will be so sure that i will not just waste my time to london without achieving my the aim and she advised that we can work out something via Western Union Money Transfer.




She said that Western Union Money Transfer can actually hold the money as an evidence and surety that her tenant will pay her at least for the first month and deposit. She gave me an option on what we can do since you have the funds at hand which will be explained below:




PROCEDURE:




1) Transfer the the amount £1600 ((1 month rent and security deposit) to your friend.




Your Name (as Sender) to your Friend (as Receiver) in London or other parts of UK.





2) Scan & Send a copy of the Western Union transaction receipt as a proof of the transaction or mail me the transaction details. (The money is safe as it is only you that can withdraw since you need a national ID card or International passport)




3) Then, we will meet for viewing.




4) If you decide to take the flat, we will go to any local Western Union office close to my flat pick up the money and pay me. (You don't need to come with cash to view, after viewing we will go together, you will withdraw and pay me)




5) Keys will be handed over to you after signing the contracts.




I am pretty sure that the transaction at Western Union office will require some charges, i will definitely refund the transaction charges back to you upon viewing and if you don't see what i sent as pictures of my flat to you, you are free to leave without paying me anything.




I only want to be sure that i am not going to waste my time this time around and i think with this condition, both of us can be sure we are not wasting our time.




I will only rely on your honesty that you have made the transaction so that i can reserve the flat for you.




Let me know if you are okay with this so that we can proceed. Thanks so much while i will be waiting to read from you and i am looking forward to meet you and be great friends eventually.




NB: PLS DO NOT MAKE PAYMENT TO ME OR IN MY NAME, WHAT I NEED IS JUST AN EVIDENCE THAT YOU HAVE THE CASH TO PAY ONCE YOU HAVE VIEWED.




I am sorry for the lengthy mail, i only want to explain myself better. You can also call or text me on 07588099395 for a chat but i dont receive calls when am at work.




Warm regards and have a nice day.




07588099395




Cecilia

[adwaik]

Hello all...

UNFORTUNATELY for me I found this site and forum AFTER I fell for the scam of my life... I am an American student in Poland and was looking for the hot new HTC Touch HD phone for a good price, and fell upon some scammers...

now not being too scam or net saavy I fell for it as FAHIM FAWLER (dont know if thats his real name or not) gave me a price WAAAY cheaper than retail BUT failed to provide me with any pics of him in possession of the phone so I could know if it was true or not. So he tells me a great price and to send by Western Union to a Kathrine Helm in England. So that I did.

Now what I didnt mention before is the seller is very sales saavy and uses ways to get you to trust him like messaging you online (he used the google talk name Tempest Lord) and messages you for a few days, then says well now you can trust me as we are friends (which I never really fell for as I never met him, I just wanted the phone). So after the payment he says my phone will be there in 2 business days.

Next day he messages me and says unfortunately the courier service said that one unit is too small so we actually shipped out 3 phones and you have to make another payment... this time to Nigeria a man named Mario Raymond. I argued but he broke me...

the story went on for a few days and in the end I paid him and no phones at all or any package showed up as I am still waiting, then I fall upon this site... just a liiiitttle too late. Now Im pissed, lost a lot of money, and got nothing for it but headache and rage for the bastard named FAHIM FAWLER.

Anyone know how to catch these bastards or get the money back? if not then I just want to inform others NOT TO FALL FOR WESTERN UNION!

Dont get me wrong, as a student I use western union when my parents need to send me money in an emergency, BUT DO NOT SEND MONEY TO SOMEONE YOU DONT KNOW!

still waiting for a package... Ill get it in my dreams...

Beware buyers... I even googled Fahim Fawler and it came up on a couple of sites with him selling stuff (kinda how I fell for it) and as a first time buyer, Western Union is NOT the way to go!

[adwaik]

Me again...

Just to qualify my last post... this was my first EVER online buy and Ive never heard of these types of scams or anything, and I guess I was just too damn naiive and fell for it...

live n learn... the hard way dammit!

[trinigal_1987]

i am currently going through the same scam right now! western union money gram transfer to a friend or relative as she lives in France doing "missionary work" and she keeps saying god bless, stay blessed like that fools me!!! her name is jessica william and her poor english isnt suited to her bog standard name! she said her dad owns the flat, hes away on business and its £280 a month incl bills!!! knew it sounded scammy but i enquired anyway! the pics she showed to the pics on gumtree are totally different - i got the address from her and went to view it with a friend, its owned by an agency and theres someone living there!!!!

beware of these people!!!
the ref num is 37997482 - if you want to reply to it and see what jessica has to say!!!

[gstar]

This is the email I get after she poached me by replying to my ad looking for somewhere to stay. She has an awesome cheap flat in Leicester Sq. She even gave me a scanned image of her passport.



Hi,

Thanks for your email. I would have loved to meet you first before we proceed, but I am very busy at this time. I have lots of people asking for the rooms now, you'll have to act very fast if you really want to rent the room.

I'm not in London right now, i'm here in Kent to market some of our products and i won't be back until 2 or 3 weeks. But, i will not allow that to stop your viewing and moving in as i can send the apartment keys to my cousin in Watford, she will come and meet you in London and do the viewing but Watford is about 2 hours from London and she works too, I wouldn't like a situation where she will come down to London and you'll be unable to pay the rent.

I understand and accept that you have to see the apartment before you make any payment, but you need to be considerate as well. You will send the Security deposit and 1 month rent to any of your friends or relative in London and For your own safety,It will be better if you can send it to your middle and last name just to have the receipt(from you to the person) through western union money transfer and send me a scanned copy of the receipt, i will only need to confirm the payment with western union so that i can be sure you have the money and fully prepared to rent the room.

Then, i will have the keys and other necessary documents couriered to my cousin in Watford with a next day delivery as i will not be able to leave Kent now due to my work, If you can do that i will be convinced that you are serious and capable of meeting the demands for i can bet you will like the property.

When i get the proof of fund from you...i will give you my cousin's details to contact her and you can as well do the rent with her when you meet.

I make the suggestion for the security of both of us because i cannot tell you to pay for a property you've not viewed and i also need to know that i am not dealing with a time waster because it cost a little to advertise.

The transfer charges will be deducted from the first month rent you will be paying in cash or given to you on the spot.

I have attached my international passport photo page with this email because you will need to print it out and show it to my cousin so that she can be sure you are the one renting the room. If there is anything you don't get right please get back to me right now as i can access the computer.

Western union money transfer outlet can be located at any post office around.

And i think it will be better if we can chat on MSN my id is levivian013@hotmail.com

Hoping to hear from you soon.

Have a great day.

Vivian.



After I refused to send any funds she wanted to chat:



Gstar says: (12:09:06 AM)when are you back in london?Le says: (12:09:23 AM)this week..
Gstar says: (12:09:39 AM)oh good, when do you think i can check out your flat?Le says: (12:09:53 AM)when are you planinng to make the payment?Gstar says: (12:10:03 AM)after i see the flatLe says: (12:10:39 AM)When i get the proof of fund from you..Le says: (12:10:58 AM)you will view and move into my flatGstar says: (12:12:00 AM)is a bank statement sufficientLe says: (12:12:45 AM)But i won't be able to confirm that you really have the money...Le says: (12:13:08 AM)So send the payment a friend or relationship of yours in london...Le says: (12:13:16 AM)Or in any place in UKLe says: (12:14:20 AM)Just make sure you sent the payment for someone to keep the money for you...Gstar says: (12:14:22 AM)i'm sorry, as i said before, i am unwilling to transfer any funds to anywhere before i see the flat. you should know, since you're from australia that you need proof of fund to apply for visa to the uk anywayGstar says: (12:15:12 AM)i have money to pay for a security as standard procedures, but if this is not sufficient for you, i don't want to waste your timeLe says: (12:15:35 AM)  I make the suggestion for the security of both of us because i cannot tell you to pay for a property you've not viewed and i also need to know that i am not dealing with a time waster because it cost a little to advertise.Gstar says: (12:15:46 AM)i have friends who have been scammed exactly the same wayGstar says: (12:15:51 AM)i'm not taking any chancesLe says: (12:15:59 AM)okLe says: (12:16:01 AM)byeGstar says: (12:16:04 AM)bye

[lovelyann]

Hi

For not being from scammers. you can talk with one supplier from many days.. after know each other then you can doing business with him or her.

The other way is choose your friend's supplier who are trustful.

Hope we can get more good ideas .

[lovelyann]

Not everyone who unknown are scammers. you can talk with the person for some days , after trustful you can send by WU

[montyzuma]

anne you are talking nonsense

there is never any reason to use western union

no legitmate company uses it


i suspect your motives, you use of language and your location.

[sirajsalim]

I cam to know about this scam after we (myslef and diane) exchanged around 3 emails.

This one was different as she asked me to make payment in her name at western union so a person does exist by this name "Diane".

I am pasting the entire email thread below, I came to know about this scam as soon as she mentioned about the gumtree estate agency and when i googled, I found out that there is no such thing and also some other facts mentioned below. Just wanted to waste extra time i had and see to what extent she could go lol.

I have replaced my name with [MySelf] in the email thread.

Hi Diane

I am aware of following since I received your email regarding Gumtree estate agency.
The gumtree-ea website is fake.
They have no affiliation with the real GumTree at all
Gumtree-ea website is hosted on a free hosting company's website (110mb.com - what a shame). Even the page title for this website is "Untitled", consider hiring professionals to prepare a con stage for yourself.
You (and the other person “margaretdrnt”-probably fake too) is using gmail's address and a reply-to email address for -gumtree-ac? huh, you think this is going to sell?
Did you checkout forums? where ppl are talking about all this Glasgow thingy being fake?
There are MANY other things that are very much obvious and I can mention, but I have no intentions of helping you by doing so and that you can successfully fool other people based on that.
I never made any payments and just wanted to see how far you can go with it.

Regards,
[MySelf].







From: Diane Main
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 1:05 AM
To: [MySelf]
Subject: Re: Your Gumtree.com ad #38983373: Spacious and bright 2 double bedrooms flat!


Hi [MySelf],

Oh, so you have made the deposit already, thats fine. We will have to schedule the viewing soon.
Maybe the fax was out for the weekend... I dont know. Anyway you should try it on Monday. I am sure it will work.

Also you can send the receipt to them through email and rest assure, it is quite safe and hackers free This is the way I have sent them all the proper documents in order to start the transaction.

I will wait for the confirmation from gumtree.

Good luck convincing your cousin. I am looking forward to meet you and to show you the flat.


Kind regards,

Diane




On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 12:45 AM, [MySelf] <[MySelf]_@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hi Diane,

I tried to fax the western union receipt, fax machine doesn't seem to work (accept incoming calls?).

I will try to call Gumtree guys tomorrow and figure it out(not sure if they take calls on Sunday's). I am not comfortable passing such an information on email, you know there are hackers out there and its a critical information.

Its very much unprofessional of them to not have fax machine work!

Meanwhile if we can still view the property on Monday (Sunday is also ok if its possible for you to manage), it would be great. I will need some time to convince my cousin to take the small room u know .

Speak to you soon.

Regards,
[MySelf].



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Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 15:32:09 +0300

Subject: Re: Your Gumtree.com ad #38983373: Spacious and bright 2 double bedrooms flat!

From: maindiane@googlemail.com

To: [MySelf]_@hotmail.com


Hi [MySelf],

No word from you. Is everything ok?


Looking forward to hearing from you soon,

Diane





On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 12:15 AM, [MySelf] <[MySelf]_@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hi Diane,

Thanks for your email.


I hate to say this, but i will have to wait until this weekend to accumulate full warranty deposit amount. I have £1000 with me already and have spoken to our current landlord regarding the rest of the deposit amount. Since Gumtree has this policy of full payment (£1480 in our case).

I understand that you must be in a rush and you have another offer ready, but it would be great if we can hold it until this weekend so that I can deposit with western union coming Saturday. Please let me know if you can hold the flat until then, based on your response I'll make efforts to manage the amount.

One question, does the flat have double glazed windows?

Thanks and Regards,
[MySelf].

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Diane Main" <maindiane@googlemail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 1:58 PM
To: "[MySelf] " <[MySelf]_@hotmail.com>

Subject: Re: Your Gumtree.com ad #38983373: Spacious and bright 2 double bedrooms flat!


Hi [MySelf],

The monthly rent will be £980 PCM, with all the bills included(gas,
water, electricity, internet...) and also council tax included.

The second bedroom is slightly bit smaller, than the one in the
pictures, but the configuration is pretty much the same. You will have
to decide who will take the bigger one, I hope you will reach an
agreement about that

The flat is fully furnished and the furniture is almost new as I
bought it last year in November. You have everything you need there,
double beds, sofa, chairs, table, computers desks, even linen,
towels... everything you may need for more than a decent living.

Please read carefully the notification from gumtree. Before we will
schedule the viewing of the flat I will need the confirmation from
gumtree that you have made the warranty deposit as required in the
rental notification. I need that to be sure that you are really
committed in renting the flat and you have the money available.

As soon as I will receive the confirmation from gumtree that you have
made the warranty deposit I will make the trip to London to show you
the flat. I will take the end of the week of and we will have enough
time for the viewing and to prepare the papers.

If I will receive the confirmation from gumtree today, I can come to
London even tomorrow so we will speed the things up a little bit.

Please let me know if there is anything else you want to know.


Kind regards,

Diane






On 5/20/09, [MySelf] <[MySelf]_@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hi Diane,

I went through the email from Gumtree and have no issues in making warranty
deposit. But before doing that i will need confirmation for following points
and would want to see the flat.
1.. As i mentioned we are going to be four adults (2 couples) and there is
only one bedroom shown in the picture, is the other bedroom identical and of
equal size?
2.. In you email on 18th May you mentioned that "The rent is £245 per
week, with all the bills and council tax included", kindly confirm the total
sum for month and that it includes all the bills.
I can bring the deposit money with me while we are viewing and if the above
two conditions satisfy we would definitely want to go for the flat. We are
ok with the rent quoted and we do not have any intentions of bargaining with
you on it.

Provided the above points satisfy, we shall want to proceed with the
contract. kindly reply at the earliest possible as the flat is only reserved
for us for 24 hours.

Regards,
[MySelf].



From: Diane Main
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 9:45 AM
To: [MySelf]
Subject: Re: Your Gumtree.com ad #38983373: Spacious and bright 2 double
bedrooms flat!


Hi [MySelf],

Have you received the Rental Notification from Gumtree yet? Dont forget to
also check your spam folder. I am waiting the confirmation from Gumtree that
you have made the warranty deposit, and after that we will schedule a
viewing of the flat. We can meet sometime this week, at your convenience. I
am sure that you are going to love the flat, and you will find it suitable
for your needs.

Please get back to me as soon as possible, as I have a very good offer from
another tenant, but I want have your final answer before proceeding with
some other tenant.


Looking forward to hearing from you soon,

Diane





On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 7:47 PM, [MySelf] <[MySelf]_@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Hi Diane

Thanks for your email. I will be waiting for email / correspondence from
GumTree guys and will keep you posted.

Regards,
[MySelf].


From: Diane Main
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 5:43 PM
To: [MySelf]
Subject: Re: Your Gumtree.com ad #38983373: Spacious and bright 2 double
bedrooms flat!


Hi there,

I will forward all the necessary information to gumtree. They will notify
you through email with all the details about the rental transaction and the
steps to follow in order to view the flat and to sign the contract. You
should also check in the spam folder as I am also receiving emails from
gumtree in my spam folder.
I will pay for the agency fee so you wont have to pay for anything.
Please let me know if there is anything more you need to know about my
flat.

I have also attached to this email the tenancy agreement. please take note
that the art 6.3-6.4.3 will not apply in our case.


Looking forward to hear from you soon,

Diane








On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 2:14 PM, [MySelf] <[MySelf]_@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Hi Diane,

I forgot to mention my full name in previous email (below) its "[MySelf]
".

Regards,
[MySelf].



From: [MySelf]
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 10:16 AM
To: Diane Main
Cc: [MyCousin]
Subject: Re: Your Gumtree.com ad #38983373: Spacious and bright 2 double
bedrooms flat!


Hi Diane,

Thanks for your email.

Below is the information you need / asked for.

When do you want to move in?
Between two to three weeks time as we have to serve a notice period of 2
weeks at our current place.

How many persons will move in?
Three persons initially and one will arrive in a months time, total four
adults and one kid (2 years)

For how long are you planing to stay?
At least a couple of years

kindly let me know as to how can we proceed further.

Regards,
[MySelf].



From: Diane Main
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 8:16 AM
To: [MySelf]
Subject: Re: Your Gumtree.com ad #38983373: Spacious and bright 2 double
bedrooms flat!


Hi [MySelf],

In order to start the transaction through gumtree I will need the
following:
Your full name
When do you want to move in
How many persons will move in
For how long are you planing to stay
As soon as I will have this information i will forward it to gumtree and
they will get back to you shortly with the necessary information on how to
proceed in order to view the flat and sign the contract.

Also, If you have any question feel free to ask me.


Looking forward to hearing from you soon,

Diane






On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 3:25 PM, [MySelf] <[MySelf]_@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Hi Diane,

I have spoken with my cousin and we are willing to rent.

Please let me know what details you would need so that we can arrange
the viewing ASAP. Even today is ok since we work in Central London. By the
way we are computer engineers by profession and work in software house
(separate companies) and earn xxk / year (individually).

Awaiting your reply.

Thanks and regards,
[MySelf].




From: [MySelf]
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 11:46 AM
To: Diane Main
Cc: [MyCousin]
Subject: Re: Your Gumtree.com ad #38983373: Spacious and bright 2
double bedrooms flat!


Hi Diane,

Thanks for your email.

Let me discuss with my cuzn who is planning to move along with me and
get back to you by tonight to tomorrow first half to the max.

Also regarding the rent, please mention / confirm as to what the
amount will sum up to per month and that it includes all the bills
(electricity, water, gas, council tax -- am i missing something?).

Few things about us:
Initially it will be three persons, myself along with my wife and my
cousin. After a month or so we are expecting my cousins wife to arrive to UK
(with his daughter 2 years old).
Please let me know if you are ok with number of heads moving in and if
you think the flat / house will suffice us.

Regards,
[MySelf].




From: Diane Main
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 11:06 AM
To: [MySelf]
Subject: Re: Your Gumtree.com ad #38983373: Spacious and bright 2
double bedrooms flat!


Hi [MySelf],

Yes, I know about the advert from gumtree. I have removed it. Some guy
just convinced me that he will surely rent the flat and asked me to remove
the ad. After that he only tried to convince me to lower the rent to under
200 and I cant do that. He proved himself to be nothing but a time waster.

The address is: Chichester Street, SW1V 3LX, London. You can go to
google maps to see the actual location of the flat: www.maps.google.co.uk

About the viewing, I am really looking forward to meet you and to get
to know you better before renting the flat to you, but before that I will
need to be sure that you are committed to rent the flat and you can afford
to pay for the rent. Please dont get me wrong and dont be offended, but I
have been disappointed two times until now by people who convinced me to
arrange a viewing, and in the end proved themselves to be nothing but time
wasters as they tried to convince me to lower the monthly rent. Every time I
made the trip to London for nothing wasting both time and money. Because of
that I have decided to go on with this only through Gumtree Estate Agency.

If you decide to go on with renting the place I will need some
information in order to set up the rental transaction with gumtree. Please
let me know your full name, how many people will move in, when are you
planning to move in and how long do you want to rent the flat for. As soon
as I will have this info I will forward it to gumtree and they will get back
to you with all the necessary details to follow in order to arrange the
viewing, sign the contract and rent the flat.
Please get back to me as soon as possible.


Looking forward to hearing from you soon,

Diane


P.S. I have attached the pictures of the flat to this email.






On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 12:34 PM, [MySelf]
<[MySelf]_@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hi Diane,

Thanks for your email.

We would like to arrange the viewing this Saturday if possible. If
you can give me the complete address and also the link for advert on gumtree
(not able to view the advert clicking the link in email below).

Also I would like to mention that we plan to rent this flat for two
couples (me and my cuzn[CCd in this email] with our wives).

Awaiting your reply.

Thanks and regards,
[MySelf].



From: Diane Main
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 8:51 AM
To: [MySelf]_@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Your Gumtree.com ad #38983373: Spacious and bright 2
double bedrooms flat!


Hi there,

The flat is still available. I am the only owner. The rent is £245
per week, with all the bills and council tax included. I am not in London
for the moment as I have moved with my job to Glasgow. I am looking for
serious people to rent the flat to, somebody who can take care of it and
maintain it clean and tidy during the rental period.

The minimum rental period is one month, and the maximum is three
years with possible extend afterwards.The flat is finished to a high
standard with wood floors, a designer bath suite with power shower, modern
fitted kitchen. It also comes with: vacuum cleaner, toaster, oven,
microwave, dryer, refrigerator, iron, heater, washing machine, dishwasher,
cable ready, TV set and DVD player, internet connection, and most important,
parking place. I accept small pets.
If you are interested in renting, I will ask for one month rent in
advance, and a refundable security deposit of £500.


Looking forward to hearing from you soon,

Diane




On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 2:52 PM, <[MySelf]_@hotmail.com> wrote:

This email has been sent to you through the Gumtree system because
you have selected to
hide your email address in your ad:

http://www.gumtree.com/london/73/38983373.html

Is this email spam? Let us know here:
http://www.gumtree.com/cgi-bin/help.pl?f=1&s=19
Is this email dodgy? Let us know here:
http://www.gumtree.com/cgi-bin/help.pl?f=1&s=2

Contact: [MySelf]_@hotmail.com


______________________________________________________________________

Can we arrange a viewing asap? please let me know at the earliest.


















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[lovelyann]

[lovelyann]

I am feel little sad that you said i am a scammer .I just said my opinion about company for using western union . As we all know there must have 2different opinions about 1thing . One agree and the other one disgree .Am i right ? Can you make sure all the company who use WU is scammer and who didn't use WU is not scammer ,You can 100% make sure for you . Of course you can't . I am sure there must have trustful company . This is just my opinion .Thanks

[lovelyann]

[montyzuma]

Ann in many years on the net i have yet to see anyone using western union for an honest deal.


talking to sellers is no use, you cannot tell if someone is honest from chatting to them, thats how scammers work, pretending to be legitimate.

when ive exposed scammers they have called me a terrorist unemployed or simply sworn.

they say they are just getting back at the white man even though they do not know the colour of who they are scamming.

when you know the few tricks tho it is obvoius who the scammers are, and they are pretty stupid

what nationality are you, ann?

[lovelyann]

[thewatcher]

Someone just tried the scam on me - fortunately he is a very busy man, he used the same wording in two separate emails.

Looks like he's trying to scam phones as well, here [url=http://www.hallolondon.co.uk/free_ads/for_sale/computing_and_phones_!48/Brand_New_Nokia_N95_8GB_Smartphoneunlocked_~299606.html]here[/url].

[Amanda696]

Ok, not sure what to do. I'm selling my car here on Gumtree and have been contacted by this guy saying that he wants to buy it for his nephew. He's in Italy and he wants to send me the money. I told him that I would take Cash on the day, but he is insisting on paying before.
So should I tell him to pay into paypal??
How could this be a scam... surely I get the money, so everything would be in my favour.....

[kingcorby]

Hi all, iv been looking for a flat in london and some guy pretending to live in italy and needed to sell a too good to believe flat in waterloo. it was a western union tranfer money to a friend and sent the receipt scam!! below is the email messages i got!! Just to warn everyone even though i know noone would be stupid enough to actually wire money into an account!! so here it is!!





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From: tucsongrom@hotmail.com
To: kingcorby@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Your Gumtree.com ad #42525690: £150 pw 1 bedroom flat for rent in Belvedere Road, Waterloo, SE1
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 08:50:22 +0000

When I will see the Western Union receipt i will be sure that you have the money , and when i will see that i prepare my flight to Uk , we will meet ,you see the flat , make the contract and go together at Western Union , you pickup your money back and pay me , anyway , please let me know if you can arrange the payment tomorrow and scan me the copy so i can buy my tickets tomorrow About the deal ,I m sorry because you feel like that about me.Now,if you were me
to rent something,would you take the risk to cheat people and had the police on your door in a few days?????I don't think so!!!I m in this position!!!!Liberty is more precious then everything in this world!!
I am a 50 year old man . I have been married to the same woman for 28 years and we have two grandsons who are successful in their own careers. We are all college educated. I didn't get to this stage in life by doing dumb things. I want to take this opportunity to assure you that there is nothing to be worried about this deal. I would never cheat on you or swindle you!! I have a reputation to protect and a good Christian and I do not want to be imprisoned. You have my word and good faith on the fact that I'll keep my end of the bargain. I have never lied and cheated anyone. I will not risk my career, my freedom and my future for anything in the world! I would rather close this deal with other person than to know that you'll be very stressed hoping that I am a honest person, Your peace of mind is a lot more important than this deal!!!I am not a scam artist, and the last thing I want to do is to rob you.
I am a very honest man in every aspect of my life and like to believe that we have a mutual trust.look I live by the rules ...money for me means nothing in life.
If you try to scam somebody in life, later on life will scam you back.
I promise, you won't be dissapointed. I am a man of my word.You can count on me.About our deal I assume we are 2 mature persons who want to make a fair deal.
I understand you are a little concerned of this situation but this is not the case...I don't sell my reputation even for 1 milion £.....
Thank you


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From: kingcorby@hotmail.com
To: tucsongrom@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Your Gumtree.com ad #42525690: £150 pw 1 bedroom flat for rent in Belvedere Road, Waterloo, SE1
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 21:00:44 +0000

Well, i would be 100% happy to move into the flat, however i wasn't born yesterday and i believe you are a conman!! so stop posting stuff like this when we are looking for a nice flat!! if only your mother knew what you do!!

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From: tucsongrom@hotmail.com
To: kingcorby@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Your Gumtree.com ad #42525690: £150 pw 1 bedroom flat for rent in Belvedere Road, Waterloo, SE1
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 20:54:02 +0000

Hi,
I am working in a hospital in Italy and it is very hard for me to come in London. I can't take the risk to leave my new job for a long time and when I arrive in London to see that Ihave come for nothing. I want to be 100% sure that when I will meet you, we do the rent papers then I can come back in Italy.
So to be sure of that look how we can do:
You make the payment from your name and address to your best friend name and address in UK using Western Union for 2 months rent that means 1200 GBP and send me the scanned receipt. As soon as I see the scanned receipt that you have made the payment, I will come in London and you will see the flat and maybe you will rent it. After that, we will go together to Western Union office and you will take the money back and pay me.So all you have to do is to find a Western Union office and wire 1200 GBP from your name to your friend name and send the scanned receipt.I am asking you this to be sure that I will not come in London for nothing.I hope you will understand my situation.
P.S : As I told you,I have a lot of customers interested to rent the apartment. I will reserve the apartment to the first one that provides
me the scanned paper from Western Union. As soon as I have the confirmation from Western Union that the money are available on his name Iwill stop the transactions with the other customers

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From: kingcorby@hotmail.com
To: tucsongrom@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Your Gumtree.com ad #42525690: £150 pw 1 bedroom flat for rent in Belvedere Road, Waterloo, SE1
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 19:14:47 +0000

Well it will just be myself and my partner living there, we are both students and so will be wanting to live there for the very least a year with the option of extending the contract after as we want to settle in london. I am meeting my girlfriend in London on the 4th of August and we will be wanting to move into a flat on the 5th or 6th of august. And so we are very interested to look at your flat as it is exactly the right price for us. if it is still available for the 4th of August we would love to meet up and look at it.

regards, James


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From: tucsongrom@hotmail.com
To: kingcorby@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Your Gumtree.com ad #42525690: £150 pw 1 bedroom flat for rent in Belvedere Road, Waterloo, SE1
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 12:44:03 +0000

Hi,
The rent is 600 £ per month including all bills and the concil tax. I moved in Italy because I got a new job. I work in a hospital and the flat is available and that is the reason for I want to rent it. You can rent the flat as long as you need to stay even for 2 or 3 years. The first payment will be for 2 months(1200£).In case you want it, let me know so we can arrange the transaction. For me is very hard to come in London and if I will come I must be 100% sure that I will not come for nothing. As you can see in the photos everything is new in the flat and the flat is fully furnished, newly refurbished and also benefits from wood flooring. You have internet connection, phone, washing machine with dryer, cable TV and most important parking place.Please let me know what your intentions are....when do you intend to move in? For how long do you want the contract to last? how many people will be living in it and tell other things you think i have to know.
cheers


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> ______________________________________________________________________
>
> Hello i have just viewed this flat and i am very impressed.Myself and my partner are moving to london on the 4th of Aug and if its still available we would love to view it.
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> My mobile number is: 0772997****>
> Regard, James
>


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[montyzuma]

Hi Amanda your would get a fake email from paypal saying they had the money and to send off the car


gumtree is for face to face trading

[Mr ScamUwell]

If you think you have given your personal info to a scammer ?
Read here: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/money/consumer_affairs/article6718630.ece
Search here:
https://www.lucidintelligence.com/

[melandgem]

[montyzuma]

person only posted 4 messages and hasnt been on since may
I fear you may be barking up the wrong tree

[melandgem]

[montyzuma]

they are there but
you are confining yourself to leeds and
people are not keen on admitting they have been scammed

on gumtree or any free ads site the majority of scams are

1 accomodation scams send the deposit to yourself to prove to me you have the money
2 ticket scams
3 pet scams mostly cameroon for some reason
4 there have also been instances of overpayment cheque scams for accomodation and goods
5 fake phone or ipod sites china or romanian

I have 3 or 4 fake cheques i could scan and send you if thats any good

people do not like admitting theyve been conned, i helped witha case a couple of years ago on ebay where a guy was flogging weeks in a vacation villa he didnt own, managed to eventaully get his arrested but out of the 6 punters conned two were mad at me cos i'd pricked their bubble, one actually said im getting a hoiday at a/2 the price i got a year ago, well duuh no you are not another one was a policeman.