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Are Britons workshy?
Britons aren't workshy.
43%
 43%  [ 25 ]
Britons are work-shy job-dodgers
56%
 56%  [ 32 ]
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alanco
 
 


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last eastender wrote:
alanco wrote:
Last eastender wrote:
alanco wrote:
I don't know that I'm down on any of God's creations (apart from waste-of-space Poms and sand flies), but just pray the Albanians don't come in numbers - they really are a race apart (and I mean apart from the human race). Genetically programmed to be viscious crimms from conception...


Oh dear Gumtrees own self-proclaimed anti-wacist is slandering an entire nation of people, what the hell is going on?

Have you been to Albania or the Greek islands where they congregate? I tell you, they'd wipe the floor with the likes of the Krays and Richardsons...

Would they?
Are you sure about that?
How comes Londons underworld is still run by local villans then?

London's tough underworld locals are a myth. Mostly brain dead thugs intent on brawling, snorting and drinking, or old'uns living in the past. The real muscles are now the Turks and Kurds with a few Carib footsoldiers. Mind you, the Indo-Chinese are catching up fast.

The locals also miss out on the clever crime too. The biggest fraudsters, embezzlers and other white collar crimms all seem to come from overseas...
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who would people believe on this someone originally from London, whos family all grew up here, and who has many contacts here,
or some little foreigner who just tries to wind things up every day due to his lack of a sex life(apart from his right hand that is)??
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last eastender wrote:
Who would people believe on this someone originally from London, whos family all grew up here, and who has many contacts here,
or some little foreigner who just tries to wind things up every day due to his lack of a sex life(apart from his right hand that is)??

I bet you said that tapping the side of your nose in a knowing manner...

Eastie mate, whatever your romantic view of the East End is, it's a bygone era. A few punch drunk oldies and wannabe jack the lads duckin' n divin' on the dole in local pubs in Befnal Green (or Essex more likely now - since they've been slung out) aint evvah gunna bring it back.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CONTREPRENEURS FLOODING BRITAIN

"workers from Bulgaria and Romania pretend to be SELF EMPLOYED when they are really unskilled cheap labour.

There are strict rules stopping unskilled workers from the two countries coming to Britain. But we have no powers to stop people coming to set up a business.

So shady job agencies in the two former Communist countries are helping people to pose as entrepreneurs, then come to the UK to work as hotel staff or odd job men on the minimum wage.

Former Home Secretary John Reid announced strict limits on Bulgarian and Romanian workers last year.

But he admitted: "The terms of the Accession Treaty do not allow us to place restrictions on EU nationals' rights to come here to set up a business.

"So the self-employed will continue to be able to work here, if they can prove when challenged they are genuine."

And The People's investigation shows it's a loophole already being abused on a wide scale.

Ministers promised that unskilled migrants from the two countries - who joined the EU in January - would face tough restrictions on coming here.
It followed a public outcry over the influx of 600,000 jobseekers from eight other Eastern European countries, including Poland and Slovakia.
Ministers had predicted only 5,000 to 13,000 a year when those countries joined the EU in 2004 - despite allowing them unrestricted access to Britain's jobs market. Since then, there have been complaints that employment, schools and public services have come under strain. Slough council, for example, asked for £15million in emergency funding to cope.

When Romania and Bulgaria joined the EU seven months ago, a leaked Government report even highlighted fears that 45,000 "undesirables with links to crime" would head to Britain. Worryingly, the self-employed loophole could provide gangsters with a legally safe way of entering Britain.


Most recent Home Office figures show in the first three months of this year, around 115 Romanians and Bulgarians a day were given the right to work in the UK as self-employed or on a skills permit.
It means more than 40,000 may come for work in 2007. But critics point out that will be much higher as more migrants catch on to the loophole scam."

http://www.people.co.uk/news/tm_headline=contrepreneurs-flooding-britain%26method=full%26objectid=19457354%26siteid=93463-name_page.html
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CONTREPRENEURS FLOODING BRITAIN

"workers from Bulgaria and Romania pretend to be SELF EMPLOYED when they are really unskilled cheap labour.

There are strict rules stopping unskilled workers from the two countries coming to Britain. But we have no powers to stop people coming to set up a business.

So shady job agencies in the two former Communist countries are helping people to pose as entrepreneurs, then come to the UK to work as hotel staff or odd job men on the minimum wage.

Former Home Secretary John Reid announced strict limits on Bulgarian and Romanian workers last year.

But he admitted: "The terms of the Accession Treaty do not allow us to place restrictions on EU nationals' rights to come here to set up a business.

"So the self-employed will continue to be able to work here, if they can prove when challenged they are genuine."

And The People's investigation shows it's a loophole already being abused on a wide scale.

Ministers promised that unskilled migrants from the two countries - who joined the EU in January - would face tough restrictions on coming here.
It followed a public outcry over the influx of 600,000 jobseekers from eight other Eastern European countries, including Poland and Slovakia.
Ministers had predicted only 5,000 to 13,000 a year when those countries joined the EU in 2004 - despite allowing them unrestricted access to Britain's jobs market. Since then, there have been complaints that employment, schools and public services have come under strain. Slough council, for example, asked for £15million in emergency funding to cope.

When Romania and Bulgaria joined the EU seven months ago, a leaked Government report even highlighted fears that 45,000 "undesirables with links to crime" would head to Britain. Worryingly, the self-employed loophole could provide gangsters with a legally safe way of entering Britain.


Most recent Home Office figures show in the first three months of this year, around 115 Romanians and Bulgarians a day were given the right to work in the UK as self-employed or on a skills permit.
It means more than 40,000 may come for work in 2007. But critics point out that will be much higher as more migrants catch on to the loophole scam."

http://www.people.co.uk/news/tm_headline=contrepreneurs-flooding-britain%26method=full%26objectid=19457354%26siteid=93463-name_page.html
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alanco wrote:
Last eastender wrote:
Who would people believe on this someone originally from London, whos family all grew up here, and who has many contacts here,
or some little foreigner who just tries to wind things up every day due to his lack of a sex life(apart from his right hand that is)??

I bet you said that tapping the side of your nose in a knowing manner...

Eastie mate, whatever your romantic view of the East End is, it's a bygone era. A few punch drunk oldies and wannabe jack the lads duckin' n divin' on the dole in local pubs in Befnal Green (or Essex more likely now - since they've been slung out) aint evvah gunna bring it back.


Who would have greater local knowledge?

Someone born&bred in the place or
some interloper who has been here a couple of years yet doesnt know anyone as he is a bit maladjusted?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bluey
Its obvious people are abusing Britains immigration and borders.
Problem is the labour govt. have been turning a blind eye since they won power and look at the damge it has done this country?
How much more will Britain have to put up with?
Labour have never said it officially but its their policy to have complete open-door migration despite the obvious dangers&pitfalls.
Its a marriage of convenience thats allowing this to take place.
The left-wing multi-cultural lovers are happy as they get what they have always wanted=Britain broken down into a patchwork of different peoples.
The business community who get lots of cheap workers to exploit.
The Britsh public must wake up and get Labour out of power to stop this.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

UK plc gets richer but salaries fall behind

"Profits at British companies are growing at their fastest pace in nearly 13 years while wages of ordinary workers are rising at their slowest pace since 2002...
...the Office for National Statistics said profits increased by 16.2% in the second quarter of the year compared with a year earlier. That was the best figure since the final quarter of 1994... Wages rose by a meagre 3.6%, the worst pace of growth since the first quarter of 2002...

John Philpott, chief economist at the Chartered Institute for Personnel and Development, said high levels of immigration were a significant reason for subdued wage growth. "Clearly immigration has been good for UK plc but it is clear from these numbers that businesses rather than workers are benefiting."

http://business.guardian.co.uk/economy/story/0,,2155866,00.html
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bluey wrote:
UK plc gets richer but salaries fall behind

"Profits at British companies are growing at their fastest pace in nearly 13 years while wages of ordinary workers are rising at their slowest pace since 2002...
...the Office for National Statistics said profits increased by 16.2% in the second quarter of the year compared with a year earlier. That was the best figure since the final quarter of 1994... Wages rose by a meagre 3.6%, the worst pace of growth since the first quarter of 2002...

John Philpott, chief economist at the Chartered Institute for Personnel and Development, said high levels of immigration were a significant reason for subdued wage growth. "Clearly immigration has been good for UK plc but it is clear from these numbers that businesses rather than workers are benefiting."

http://business.guardian.co.uk/economy/story/0,,2155866,00.html

Any discussion you get going here Bluey will only generate more heat than light.

The Poms believe the whole world (including local business and their own government) is against them, while the rest of us work and cream in the moolah.

I guess life must seem unfair from a local perspective...
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mmm.

A less kind interpretation is that the working-class hasn't caught up with the changes and are left howling at the moon about the unfairness of it.

Over the last few decades there is considerably less social housing and more people applying for it.

There are fewer apprenticeship programmes and most want qualifications whereas in the past you could just hop into one straight from school without taking exams. It used to be very simple to hop from employer to employer but that's more difficult now.

There is less unskilled employment with the end of manufacturing and a move to service based jobs where soft skills are needed and many more applicants for them.

Life has got tougher through scarcer resources and more competition but the working-classes still regard education as a waste of time - 90,000 boys will have just left school without a single GCSE, for example.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bluey wrote:
Mmm.

A less kind interpretation is that the working-class hasn't caught up with the changes and are left howling at the moon about the unfairness of it.

Over the last few decades there is considerably less social housing and more people applying for it.

There are fewer apprenticeship programmes and most want qualifications whereas in the past you could just hop into one straight from school without taking exams. It used to be very simple to hop from employer to employer but that's more difficult now.

There is less unskilled employment with the end of manufacturing and a move to service based jobs where soft skills are needed and many more applicants for them.

Life has got tougher through scarcer resources and more competition but the working-classes still regard education as a waste of time - 90,000 boys will have just left school without a single GCSE, for example.

Therein lies the problem - not able to read and write, so therefore not worth paying much. But they still bleat when others are prepared to work for realistic money.

Though I see the government are advertising vocational courses now. Unfortunately, many people won't be able to fill in the application...
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alanco wrote:

Any discussion you get going here Bluey will only generate more heat than light.

The Poms believe the whole world (including local business and their own government) is against them, while the rest of us work and cream in the moolah.

I guess life must seem unfair from a local perspective...


Alanco, no doubt from the 'poms' word you are an Aussie/kiwi, I am not disputing you are not a hard worker and have come here to earn some cash. In fact I would rather have London full of Commonwealth citizens.
However......
In the above post by Bluey he makes a very good point in his Quotation of companies getting richer and the wages not compensating.
Also, believe it or not, our local business' and without a doubt our government is completely against Britain. You only have to see the state of Britain now compared to 10 years ago.
I am scottish but also proud to be British. I find it disgusting that Capitalists in this country are the main people behind the Pro-immigration lobby in government. They are pro for the simple reason that they don't care who works for them as long as they make x-amount and can retire early. They however choose immigrants because they can pay them less than UK residents as they won't complain, i.e. Cash in Hand.
Look at business' here that have call centres abroad in India. Why? is it because they pay the average person here £6/7 per hour and in India about £1.50? Do your calculations there. The same amount of people for a fifth of the cost.
Our government, well, they care only to line their pockets like the capitalists and get as much out of office in the time they're there. I don't have time to go in the failures of Labour but there are hundreds and possibly even thousands.

In fact, you will probably not agree because you are not British. You would however care if you lived back home in Oz and saw the same thing happening there as was happening here where your government pushed on willy nilly without a care in what the electorate thought. You would be angry as hell when Colleges were taken up with foreigners and your children couldn't get a place. You'd be pissed if your govt/councils gave homes to immigrants and not you. You'd be lived if your culture was washed away and your children were made to feel ashamed of their nationality. You'd be angry if they took away history teachings and taught immigrants countries histories instead. You'd be angry if they taught your children immigrants religions and not the majority of the peoples. I could go on and on but can't be arsed.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mate, over 50% of Oz is made up of migrants. So housing and education is taken up in much the same ratio.

The difference is we mainly choose who we want and welcome them. then if they work they're one of us. Here, they're never allowed to be one of you.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alanco wrote:
Mate, over 50% of Oz is made up of migrants. So housing and education is taken up in much the same ratio.

The difference is we mainly choose who we want and welcome them. then if they work they're one of us. Here, they're never allowed to be one of you.


I think you'll find that last comment to be very far from the truth. The situation here is not so much us wanting them to be one us but our government laws and more importantly Cherie Blairs human rights laws have made it so that they can segregate themselves from our society and create their own countries, with their own laws within ours. Unlike in Oz, people embrace what it is to be an Australian but here they have no desire whatsoever as the UK, again thanks to bad government has destroyed the reasons everyone wanted to be British in the first place.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a two way street. Oz offers people something they want to buy in to. Here there's just resentment if you're different.

Cherie Blair didn't make the law, the UK ratified it. Problem is, unbalanced PC is coming to Oz too if we're not careful. So far we've had very little friction compared to here and I'd say that was down to attitude.

I hope it stays that way...
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Combo2 wrote:
Long term unemployed can't get work due mainly to the fact scumbag employers wont give them a job but reject their Cv straight away


Quote:
only by cutting their benefits will they be encouraged to get off their arses and work for their living



No moron that only encourages robbery, drug dealing and street prostition.

Oh and illegal street trading.


It also gets people's back up...


If I start hitting you do you do as you are told or hit back?


Eastern Europeans get work as working for half the min wage and accepting shit condions which bring wages down for all.



Most people dont accept low wage work as it wont pay their bills, and wont benefit them long term whilst a short term traveller only needs pocket money...


you can't buy a house and feed your family on pocket money with no long term future or work wihotu cheap childcare.


The solution is a trippling of the minuimum wage and creation of lots of jobs even if simply one term digging up holes and the other filling them.


And incentives to business to prioitise the long term unemployed
well said
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mussolini wrote:
Bluey wrote:
Work secretary John Hutton said "a "hardcore" of claimants was not competing with east European migrants for jobs. Government figures show 950,000 people claimed Jobseekers' Allowance last month.

There was no shortage of vacancies for low-skilled workers, even in areas of relatively high unemployment, he argued.

"Economic migration from the EU has only served to highlight this issue. ..If workers from Poland can take advantage of these vacancies in our major cities - why can't our own people do so as well?,"

More than half a million have arrived from Poland and other countries since 2004,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6187169.stm



why indeed wont english unemployed take those jobs?

Perhaps our benefits make life a bit too comfy - perhaps its just too easy in our luvvie liberal state to be a sponger - maybe its because we now have a culture of rights and not responsibilities (everyone expects the world to owe them a living) - maybe its because we now have an underclass that has no shame and has no self respect

its time to address these people for their and our own good

offer / place them into work - if they refuse but are capable then withdraw benefits
also well said
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alanco wrote:
It's a two way street. Oz offers people something they want to buy in to. Here there's just resentment if you're different.

Cherie Blair didn't make the law, the UK ratified it. Problem is, unbalanced PC is coming to Oz too if we're not careful. So far we've had very little friction compared to here and I'd say that was down to attitude.

I hope it stays that way...
oz a nation of descendants of criminals
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jobless Britain: One in five homes relies entirely on benefits

"The number of households in which nobody works for a living rose to more than three million this summer, official figures revealed yesterday.

The ranks of children in homes where no one works has risen thanks to the increase in workless lone parents. There were 15,000 more single parents without work this summer than last.

Growth in the tally of workless single parents comes despite huge government spending on trying to persuade lone mothers to take jobs.

Gordon Brown's flagship benefits, tax credits, cost £16billion a year and are tailored towards helping single parents.

Further billions have been pumped into subsidised childcare to try to help single parents looking for work.

Only one in five of the homes listed as workless is thought to include anyone who is actively looking for a job.

The greatest concentration of homes where nobody of working age has a job was in London.

Nearly a quarter of homes in the capital, 23.9 per cent, had nobody who admitted to having employment or an earned income. "

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23410254-details/Jobless+Britain%3A+One+in+five+homes+relies+entirely+on+benefits/article.do
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

imlooking wrote:
alanco wrote:
It's a two way street. Oz offers people something they want to buy in to. Here there's just resentment if you're different.

Cherie Blair didn't make the law, the UK ratified it. Problem is, unbalanced PC is coming to Oz too if we're not careful. So far we've had very little friction compared to here and I'd say that was down to attitude.

I hope it stays that way...
oz a nation of descendants of criminals

I don't wonder the locals feel sidelined. All they can add to the pot are attempts at insults - and even then they can't make them relevant...
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okay, the article is from the Sun, which, lets face it, has reservations about the EU and immigration but stats have already identified that one in twenty of social housing stock is given to migrants.

"THE biggest Polish newspaper in Britain has run a special edition bragging how easy it is to claim benefits. And it describes the simple ways immigrants can grab a cheap home with free furniture and child benefits.

The front-page article, headlined Benefit Hunters, reads: “The longer we are in Great Britain, the more rights to social security we are given and the better we are at taking advantage of them.”

[A] photo shows a man entering a Jobcentre with the caption: “Poles are visiting the Jobcentre more and more often — not to find a job, but in order to get benefit.” It says: “You can apply for benefits as soon you take up a job in Great Britain. The formalities concerning an application for social security are extremely simple. Do not delay in submitting an application.”

The paper features a case study of “Pete”, a Pole who came to Britain two years ago and settled in a Welsh seaside town. Unlike the 1.6million Brits waiting for homes on council housing lists, he was given a two-bedroom house with a garden straightaway.

Pete is quoted as saying: “The house in which I rented a room was falling apart.” When he went to a housing association he was told to register with the Home Office as a person working in the UK to get a National Insurance number.

He says: “Never in my life did I expect the whole process to last such a short time.They just gave me the keys and told me to move in. They did not even want any deposit.”

He adds: “They asked me if I had furniture. I didn’t, so they sent a lorry with a brand new bed, table, chairs and a cooker. They even brought it all in!”

The paper explains he pays £60 rent a week for a two-bedroom house with a garden. The paper adds that Peter then helped his sister and a work colleague to get homes in Britain in a similar way.

It is estimated around 112,000 migrants who came to the UK to work are currently claiming state benefits — up from 46,620 last year.

Applications for National Insurance numbers — which migrants need to get a job, benefits or tax credits — reached a new high of 713,000 last year. Of those, 220,000 were Polish.

Of 562,000 immigrants listed as coming to Britain in 2005-2006, 16,000 were claiming out-of-work benefits within six months of registering for an NI number.

There are officially 750,000 Poles now living in the UK, but the true figure is said to be more than a million. There were 5,000 babies born to Polish parents in the UK in 2006.

Shadow home secretary Mr Davis said: “Statistics like these show why the Government’s claims that numbers coming here would be low — and restrictions would be placed on benefits — were just more spin. The public will want to know what action Home Secretary Jacqui Smith is taking.”

Sir Andrew Green, chairman of Migration Watch, attacked the newspaper article last night.

He said: “It’s appalling that Polish immigrants should be encouraged to live off our taxes even if they have to work for a year before the whole system is wide open to them. The Government claimed to close off the welfare system to ‘benefit shoppers’. But it looks as though some people are finding their way through these checks at our expense.

But Polish Express editor Adam Skorupinski was unrepentant.

He said: “It was not our intention to encourage Polish people to seek benefits. We definitely think there’s a problem with benefit hunters from Poland and Eastern Europe — but it’s not such a big problem that it’s hurting the British public.”

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2007421050,00.html#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=TheSun:News
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bluey wrote:
okay, the article is from the Sun, which, lets face it, has reservations about the EU and immigration but stats have already identified that one in twenty of social housing stock is given to migrants.

"THE biggest Polish newspaper in Britain has run a special edition bragging how easy it is to claim benefits. And it describes the simple ways immigrants can grab a cheap home with free furniture and child benefits.

The front-page article, headlined Benefit Hunters, reads: “The longer we are in Great Britain, the more rights to social security we are given and the better we are at taking advantage of them.”

[A] photo shows a man entering a Jobcentre with the caption: “Poles are visiting the Jobcentre more and more often — not to find a job, but in order to get benefit.” It says: “You can apply for benefits as soon you take up a job in Great Britain. The formalities concerning an application for social security are extremely simple. Do not delay in submitting an application.”

The paper features a case study of “Pete”, a Pole who came to Britain two years ago and settled in a Welsh seaside town. Unlike the 1.6million Brits waiting for homes on council housing lists, he was given a two-bedroom house with a garden straightaway.

Pete is quoted as saying: “The house in which I rented a room was falling apart.” When he went to a housing association he was told to register with the Home Office as a person working in the UK to get a National Insurance number.

He says: “Never in my life did I expect the whole process to last such a short time.They just gave me the keys and told me to move in. They did not even want any deposit.”

He adds: “They asked me if I had furniture. I didn’t, so they sent a lorry with a brand new bed, table, chairs and a cooker. They even brought it all in!”

The paper explains he pays £60 rent a week for a two-bedroom house with a garden. The paper adds that Peter then helped his sister and a work colleague to get homes in Britain in a similar way.

It is estimated around 112,000 migrants who came to the UK to work are currently claiming state benefits — up from 46,620 last year.

Applications for National Insurance numbers — which migrants need to get a job, benefits or tax credits — reached a new high of 713,000 last year. Of those, 220,000 were Polish.

Of 562,000 immigrants listed as coming to Britain in 2005-2006, 16,000 were claiming out-of-work benefits within six months of registering for an NI number.

There are officially 750,000 Poles now living in the UK, but the true figure is said to be more than a million. There were 5,000 babies born to Polish parents in the UK in 2006.

Shadow home secretary Mr Davis said: “Statistics like these show why the Government’s claims that numbers coming here would be low — and restrictions would be placed on benefits — were just more spin. The public will want to know what action Home Secretary Jacqui Smith is taking.”

Sir Andrew Green, chairman of Migration Watch, attacked the newspaper article last night.

He said: “It’s appalling that Polish immigrants should be encouraged to live off our taxes even if they have to work for a year before the whole system is wide open to them. The Government claimed to close off the welfare system to ‘benefit shoppers’. But it looks as though some people are finding their way through these checks at our expense.

But Polish Express editor Adam Skorupinski was unrepentant.

He said: “It was not our intention to encourage Polish people to seek benefits. We definitely think there’s a problem with benefit hunters from Poland and Eastern Europe — but it’s not such a big problem that it’s hurting the British public.”

Absolutely appaauling that England has allowed it to go this far

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2007421050,00.html#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=TheSun:News
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tories hit at EU migrants who get benefits for children abroad

The following article indicates that 14,000 recent EU migrants from eight new member states are claiming child benefit for children who do not live in Britain. This costs the UK £250,000 per week (£13 million per year).

68,000 migrants from eastern European states which joined the EU in 2005 have successfully claimed British child benefit.

Philip Hammond, the shadow work and pensions secretary, asked: "Two hundred thousand more British children are living in poverty than a year ago. Child benefit is a vital weapon in the fight against child poverty. So why is Gordon Brown sending thousands of pounds of benefits every week to children who don't live here and who may never even have visited the UK?"

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/conservatives/story/0%2C%2C2170843%2C00.html
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Sainsbury's says immigrants have 'better ethic' than Britons

Supermarket giant Sainsbury's is hailing the “superior” work ethic of its immigrant workers. The company, which has a workforce of 150,000, praised newcomers to Britain for their flexibility and for their uncomplaining attitude to work. It hopes their approach will spread to domestic workers and is planning to increase its use of immigrant labour.

“We have found migrant workers to have a very satisfactory work ethic, in many cases superior to domestic workers,” J Sainsbury said in evidence to a parliamentary inquiry on the economic impact of immigration.

“We believe that this results from their differing motivations, they want to learn English, or send money home to their families.They tend to be more willing to work flexibly, and be satisfied with their duties, terms and conditions and productivity requirements. In the long term, this could have a positive effect on their domestic colleagues.”

Sainsbury's said its use of immigrant labour in retail and distribution had “grown significantly” in the past two years. Its comments are likely to reignite the debate about the work ethic of British employees.

“We anticipate that the use of migrant workers will increase within Sainsbury's, as the UK population declines, and it will also help us, in part, to address the problem of an ageing population,” it told the Lords economic affairs select committee.

“We have been able to utilise immigrant labour to improve our business performance by filling pressing gaps in both skilled and unskilled areas.”

The food giant stressed that it had seen a “positive shift in culture where migrant workers have been introduced, which has led to a more diverse workforce fostering a more engaged group of workers” in some areas.

Sainsbury's also said that more could be done to help migrant workers get advice on housing, banking, language and understanding the UK culture.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=486419&in_page_id=1770

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