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Are Britons workshy?
Britons aren't workshy.
43%
 43%  [ 25 ]
Britons are work-shy job-dodgers
56%
 56%  [ 32 ]
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alanco
 
 


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this a family argument Peco?
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Peco
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alanco wrote:
Is this a family argument Peco?


I don't know what you mean alanco. I haven't posted on this thread before now. It's similar to the Sainsburys work ethic thread, so perhaps you meant to post on that one rather than this.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Employment levels soar but record 8million have given up looking for work

"Britain's army of "hidden unemployed" have risen to almost eight million.

the figures on economic inactivity showed there were increases in the number of people said to be long-term sick, now just over two million; the early retired; up to 643,000, and "discouraged workers" who have given up looking for jobs, now counted at 40,000.

there are now almost 750,000 jobless people under the age of 25 who are not in full-time education and are not looking for work.

Unemployment - among people who were looking for jobs - was counted at 1.65 million in the three months to August, down 5,000 in three months and 47,000 over a year.

Together, the numbers of economically inactive and the unemployed total 9.62 million

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23417013-details/Employment+levels+soar+but+record+8million+have+given+up+looking+for+work/article.do
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Number of Britons in work falls by 270,000 - because migrants get most new jobs

The number of Britons in work has fallen sharply in the past two years, Whitehall figures have shown.

Despite an economic boom that has created tens of thousands of jobs, the new posts are largely going to migrants.

An estimated 540,000 foreigners have found work in Britain over the past 18 months. But at the same time the native workforce has shrunk by 270,000.

The figures add to fears that growing numbers of Britons are falling back on the welfare state while foreigners carry out low-paid work.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23419207-details/Number+of+Britons+in+work+falls+by+270%2C000+-+because+migrants+get+most+new+jobs/article.do
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bluey wrote:
Number of Britons in work falls by 270,000 - because migrants get most new jobs

The number of Britons in work has fallen sharply in the past two years, Whitehall figures have shown.

Despite an economic boom that has created tens of thousands of jobs, the new posts are largely going to migrants.

An estimated 540,000 foreigners have found work in Britain over the past 18 months. But at the same time the native workforce has shrunk by 270,000.

The figures add to fears that growing numbers of Britons are falling back on the welfare state while foreigners carry out low-paid work.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23419207-details/Number+of+Britons+in+work+falls+by+270%2C000+-+because+migrants+get+most+new+jobs/article.do


That is very worrying but part of Labour's drive to create a larger electorate to keep itself in power come next May election by importing more and more immigrants.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mixed signals or what?

1 in 5 of working age population has given up looking for a job or is too sick to work

but the article also notes

employment has reached a record high and the number of people claiming job-related benefits has fallen to a 32-year low

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23426983-details/1+in+5+of+working+age+population+has+given+up+looking+for+a+job+or+is+too+sick+to+work/article.do
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bluey wrote:
Mixed signals or what?

1 in 5 of working age population has given up looking for a job or is too sick to work

but the article also notes

employment has reached a record high and the number of people claiming job-related benefits has fallen to a 32-year low

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23426983-details/1+in+5+of+working+age+population+has+given+up+looking+for+a+job+or+is+too+sick+to+work/article.do
you seem to like pom bashing bluey and ignore things that happen in your wonderfull country like brutal rape of ten year old girl
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i am British and i'm workshy.
well not so much shy as violently intolerant.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dole queue shortest for 32 years

Unemployment figures today showed
that the number of people out of work
and claiming benefit fell by 11,100 in
November to 813,000, the lowest since
June 1975.

(Evening Standard 12/12/07)

With all these immos coming in, it most be the poor Poms who won't do the work...
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, it's quite a weird combination of statistics - the dole queue is shrinking but there is a huge welfare dependency culture with some cities having 1 in 3 of the working age population on benefits. finally, there is the highest ever number of immigrants in the UK.

Foreign workers ‘keep jobless on welfare’

Immigrant workers trap British-born people in unemployment, according to research to be published this week by Frank Field, the former welfare reform minister.

The research, based on an analysis carried out by the House of Commons library, shows that the higher the level of immigration in an area, the harder it is for the unemployed to come off jobseeker’s allowance.

“The government has got a choice here between simply feeding the labour market with migrant workers and doing something about welfare reform,” said Field. “The government has set itself a target of getting 80% of working-age people into employment. At the rate it is going, that will take 30 years.”

The findings follow a Statistics Commission report, requested by Field, which confirmed findings in The Sunday Times that more than 80% of new jobs since 1997 had gone to people born outside the UK.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article3056716.ece
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

'Nine in 10 UK jobs go to foreigners'

"Almost nine in 10 new jobs created over the past decade have been taken by foreign-born workers, .. official figures show.

Of the 1.7 million more people in employment since 1997, 1.5 million were born outside the UK, according to the Office for National Statistics.

Frank Field, the former welfare minister, said that since 1997 the number of skilled Britons in the workplace...had increased by 2.8 million.

However, there had been only a 310,000 net increase in the number of Britons in work in that time - and the number had actually dropped since 2003 after mass immigration from eastern Europe.

Mr Field said yesterday: "What the Government needs to do is face up to the fact that we need to restrict the movement of labour from eastern Europe."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/03/nmigrant103.xml
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't realise it was that high Bluey it's shocking Shocked

Just goes to show how socialism cares nothing for the people they're support to represent and as EM says "snouts firmly in the trough".
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Orwellian_Logic wrote:
I didn't realise it was that high Bluey it's shocking Shocked

Just goes to show how socialism cares nothing for the people they're support to represent and as EM says "snouts firmly in the trough".


All the benefit dependent, workshy, unemployed wouldn't survive without the large workforce here paying their taxes.

Maybe the best thing would be to really limit immigration and make the home population work.

That'd solve two problems at a stroke - cut the benefit budget and cut immigrants.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

force the population to work and watch how they'll react.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Drone Module wrote:
force the population to work and watch how they'll react.

Much as they react to every change - they'll be against it until they see how to milk it Exclamation
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Orwellian_Logic
 
 


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Patman Post wrote:
Orwellian_Logic wrote:
I didn't realise it was that high Bluey it's shocking Shocked

Just goes to show how socialism cares nothing for the people they're support to represent and as EM says "snouts firmly in the trough".


All the benefit dependent, workshy, unemployed wouldn't survive without the large workforce here paying their taxes.

Maybe the best thing would be to really limit immigration and make the home population work.

That'd solve two problems at a stroke - cut the benefit budget and cut immigrants.


I totally agree.

If you cut immigration drastically and put the wages up to a respectable level in order to compensate for the last 15 years of cost of living rises then you would see a big change in the workforce. Immigrants work here for the reason that they get much more money here than they do back home. After all, if you could goto Poland and work as a cleaner and get paid £50 an hour you'd do it wouldn't you?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Orwellian_Logic wrote:
Patman Post wrote:
Orwellian_Logic wrote:
I didn't realise it was that high Bluey it's shocking Shocked

Just goes to show how socialism cares nothing for the people they're support to represent and as EM says "snouts firmly in the trough".


All the benefit dependent, workshy, unemployed wouldn't survive without the large workforce here paying their taxes.

Maybe the best thing would be to really limit immigration and make the home population work.

That'd solve two problems at a stroke - cut the benefit budget and cut immigrants.


I totally agree.

If you cut immigration drastically and put the wages up to a respectable level in order to compensate for the last 15 years of cost of living rises then you would see a big change in the workforce. Immigrants work here for the reason that they get much more money here than they do back home. After all, if you could goto Poland and work as a cleaner and get paid £50 an hour you'd do it wouldn't you?

Some muddled thinking there. Some jobs aren't worth more than the minimum wage. Pay more and you might just as well be dishing out benefits again.
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