[Bluey]

Minister warns 'can work, won't work' Britons over benefits. Ministers say ... there is no evidence that recent rises in unemployment are directly linked to the arrival of eastern Europeans [but indicate] that homegrown benefit claimants [are being] left behind by foreigners eager for jobs.

More than two thirds of claims are made by people who have claimed before and nearly 10% of these had spent six of the past seven years on benefits,

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1973866,00.html

[Bluey]

My take on this is that some UK residents experience barriers to job opportunities, such as domestic and personal circumstances. The UK has the worst and most expensive provision of child care for example.

Studies show that employers are more likely to prefer new labour market entrants, women returners, people moving into the area and commuters when filling vacancies rather than long-term unemployed.

A low wage for a resourceful migrant (who can keep their expenses to a minimum by room-shares and are motivated by the fact that they are still earning much more than they could in their original country) isn't necessarily the same positive experience for a UK resident.

The low wages and high accommodation costs for people permanently based in the UK dis-incentivise them from working. The reason why wages remain depressed and accommodation costs continue to grow out of proportion to salaries is because of the boom in migrants moving to the UK (law of supply and demand).

[mussolini]

fact is though that there are planty of workshy about

oh the luvvies can wring their hands and make excuses for them - but reality is that our bloated welfare state has created a class of lazy bastards

only by cutting their benefits will they be encouraged to get off their arses and work for their living

[londoncalling]

[mussolini]

[londoncalling]

[Combo2]

Long term unemployed can't get work due mainly to the fact scumbag employers wont give them a job but reject their Cv straight away

[Combo2]

For people to work it has to be worth it.


you need a decent standard of living if you work or why bother?

[castlelgr]

[mussolini]

[mussolini]

[Bluey]

Work secretary John Hutton said "a "hardcore" of claimants was not competing with east European migrants for jobs. Government figures show 950,000 people claimed Jobseekers' Allowance last month.

There was no shortage of vacancies for low-skilled workers, even in areas of relatively high unemployment, he argued.

"Economic migration from the EU has only served to highlight this issue. ..If workers from Poland can take advantage of these vacancies in our major cities - why can't our own people do so as well?,"

More than half a million have arrived from Poland and other countries since 2004,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6187169.stm

[mussolini]

[Bluey]

Apparently, Glasgow might be targetted for the new policy because there is supposed to be two job vacancies for each job seeker...

[Peco]

Bluey............fuck off!

[Bluey]

Peco - don't shoot the messenger?! I am the reporter of someone else's statistics and someone else's policy.

Though have you noticed the high number of fellas in Glasgow holding out torn polystyrene cups begging for change outside shops, bars and restaurants in the town centre that are crying out for workers?

[Peco]

Then you should quote the statistics and the source. The thread subject is supposed to be about work-shy British, not work-shy Glaswegians.

Did this source make any provison for finding out if these people were able-bodied and fit for work? i.e. excluding alcoholics and drug addicts? Were the homeless included in this study?

We don't have a big problem in Glasgow with beggers. The kind of places you mention don't tolerate beggers hanging around their doorways. I very rarely see anyone begging here, indeed, it's been several years since I saw one.

[Bluey]

This thread is a poll about whether Britons are workshy and last time I checked, Glasgow was part of Britain and was singled out in particular by the source I referred to in my post so is hardly an irrelevance.

Like Manchester, the politician John Hutton is baffled why it has high numbers claiming unemployment benefit when there are so many vacancies. He asks "If workers from Poland can take advantage of these vacancies in our major cities – why can't our own people do so as well?"

It was a politician that highlighted the opportunities in Glasgow and they did not substantiate the source of their information or the criteria. However, they did use figures based on those claiming Job Seekers allowance and excluded those on invalidity benefit. Their focus seems to be on the 12% who have been claiming unemployment benefits for at least six of the last seven years.

Correction and apology is required here - it's not the case that there are two vacancies for each claimant per se but double the number of vacancies than the UK average in Glasgow which has 20% more claimants for Jobseekers allowance than the UK in general despite this

http://www.theherald.co.uk/features/77041.html


As a sop to your bruised sense of nationalism, here are articles that allege laziness in the English compared to migrants.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4153/is_20050209/ai_n9502763

If you can't spot beggars in Glasgow, which has about the average of any urban city I've visited, then you can't be looking hard enough in the city centre or West End, as it is a daily and multiple occurance.

[Combo2]

Combo expects...


You do a course... you are guaranteed a good job as you stuidied for it.


Combi expects...


You work , you are rewarded not paid as and when the employer feeling like it.


Combo expects if you study you should get a job that relfelcts your education.


Combo expects that when you do work experience (ie the bottom) that you get a job at the end and then promoted.


Combo expects that if you work over 2 1/2 years in an inustry you are offered more then £11,000 pa especailly if been to uni.


Combo expects that if you send out lots of cvs you get work


get the idea?

[Combo2]

Why assume I have not done the bottom work?

Have actually had 31 jobs most shit ones

[Bluey]

Do you think you cause anxiety to your employers by referring to yourself in the third person?

[Combo2]

huh?


If it does the employers are neurotic idiots thinking too hard about whats nothing... then again thats what makes these loney employers reject perfectly good would be workers for no good reason then have a go at them for scrounging when if given the job they would not be scrounging anymore would they?

[Peco]

Bluey, I read tha Glasgow Herald atricle via that link, and the figures you cite are correct according to the article, but there is no mention in it of beggers in Glasgow.


You want an apology for me saying "Fuck Off"? Alright, I apologise. Initially I thought you were merely having a go at my city as you didn't cite any statistics or sources etc, but to counter that by comments about Glasgow having a problem with beggers was a cheap shot.

Me sense of nationalism isn't bruised as you didn't criticise my nation, but rather, my city. Granted I didn't like the criticism made of it or its people, and I have a right to speak in its defence when it is singled-out regarding street beggers.

[Bluey]

Yeah, you're right. It was a definately cheap shot and off thread to cite beggars in Glasgow, or any city for that matter, relating to a discussion on job dodgers, sorry.

But there is a weird irony when you get tapped for 'change for a cuppa tea' outside McDonalds in Trongate (or the Whitgift centre in Croydon) or Pret in Sauchiehall street (or Oxford street for that matter) when they are always looking for crew members.

In fairness, I was once tapped for change by an eastern european chap in Rotherham Central train station, who was worse the wear for Eight-Ace.

[Combo2]

Mc Donalds may be looking for crew members... But no address no bank account = no job... many will not give a job to somoen without a stable address or bank account.

often even the likes of mc donalds reject people for too much job hopping or having not worked long enough, or no having a suit or any other crap they can reject folk for..


Morover a job is not a job when its not paying more then your outgoings