[Tigerbaby]

Would be interesting to establish how many of their trainees have actually qualified as opposed to those who've thrown in the towel half way through the course.
Don't know about you but I've found the "training" utterly demoralising even before I've sustained RSI thanks to their instructions.

[BarbaraB]

Here's my experiences.

An I will warn you that I'm not a wise person ( this is Betamax woman talking) and even I can see that some of the things I said, did, or took on faith, are quite silly in retrospect.

I went to the instuctor college july before last. Because of my finacial circumstances I couldn't get loans from banks and I'd need extra money as well as the course fees for the test fees and for bi-focals (without which I could not see both the screen and the page in front of me, or worse a clipboard on my knee and the road ahead).

I went back during the cooling off period and said that I couldn't do the course. I was taken aside and given the very strong impression that my reasons were "not good enough" to let get off the course (The CAB have since told me I didn't have to give, or even have, a reason - whim would have been good enough!). The chap I saw also told me that grants and loans were available for people in my position. (This, just by the way, turned out to be untrue; DSS loans are only to persons on Jobseker's Alowance - and I'm on Income Suport, and the Carrer Development agency only gives loans for additional expenses if the institution you're training at is registered with the CDA, which the College was and still is not). However the chap I saw did agree that it'd be impossible for me to do the course without further financial aid.

I left with the very strong impression that if I didn't come back then I was off the course - my error.

I did go back an try to do the foundation day, but couldn't because i couldn't see both the screen and the workbook before me without changing specs; by which time the class had moved on. It was enough to prove to me that I couldn't even do class instuction untill my sight was corrected.

I later discovered all the above mentioned blocks to getting extra aid and just didn't go back; after all it'd been verbally agreed that without extra finance it'd be impossible for me to do the course. I thought it was all over, but I was wrong.

Now Barkley's Finance is chasing me for the money they forked over to the College - which I can not pay: My adult physically and mentally handicaped son who I provided 24 hour car for live on benefits), but the Instructor College only resond with form letters saying I'm not entitled to a refund but they'll hold a place for me - much bl**dy use that is as they know it's impossible for me to do the course.

Barkley's Finance agreed that if the College knew I couldn't do the course they shouldn't have asked for the fees. However, they say the problem is between me and the College (and hassle me with at least 3 phone calls and 3 letters every week), but the college say the problem is between me and the finance company!

I'm at my wit's end.

My only hope is that because I never got DSA approval is that I can somehow get a rejection from them which I hope would obligate the IC to refund. My Dr thinks I take too many anti-depressants to be a good instructor, and I'm a recovering alcoholic who can not gaurentee their future sobriety. But will that be enough to get these sharks off my back?

Anyone else out there got any advice?

Thanks

Barbara Barrett

[Nice guys come second]

Hi PDI thats a larf & anyone else out there who could help.

I am going through the same problem as PDI thats a larf and wondered if you could help. I qualified on my very last attempt at part 3 but only because I needed to purchase extra sessions off other schools to achieve the standard. I forwarded proof of passing to TIC 2 months ago and still the £400 cashback has not arrived.

I wonder if you could offer me any advice as to how you eventually got the cashback (eg any extra email addresses or the names of people who dealt with your refund) - so that I can cut out the reception desk middlemen & group email 'buffer zone' that they hide behind.

Thanks for your advice.

PS - TIC would be ripped to pieces if Anne Robinson was still in the game of exposing fraudsters.

[mike001]

[color=red]Hi Tigerbaby. sorry for the delay in getting back to you. there seems to be enough of us now to compile a register of victims. perhaps someone with a bit of nouse can start up a new website so that it will contain the names of everyone concerned. I know that there are people on here that are part of the college and you don't have to be mastermind 2008 to know who they are. perhaps it will take a past employee of the college to come on here and give us the true "inside story" [/color]

[Jon123]

To Tigerbaby Mike and all,

I have posted a couple of comments before... although it is not about money more about the destruction of selfconfidence in the method used by TIC ... this one is ta for the reminder on the £400.00... well done and ta... i will be going for that soon.... my earlier posting included that I will be going to a court in London because I had the cheek to apply for an extension to my trainee Licence... this is developing and getting more and more laughable as we get nearer... more on this after 21 Aug 2008...
I have one shot left to qualify... TIC have assured that all help is available and I believe this.... still not sure of why they mince your brain to achieve a result... I deal with real pupils in the real world... could be they have forgotten that it is best to leave" the pupil" keen to come back for more...or is that deliberate. Good luck to all Jon123

[Tigerbaby]

To Mike001 - A former disgruntled employee of TIC telling us the "inside story" - I've got my own hypothesis here - would of course be the ticket! And I agree with you that this website isn't safe. Safest way probably would be for all of us with an axe to grind to meet somewhere as I reckon we could recognize and weed out the spies before going into detailed stratgey.
To Barbara B. - How come Barclays Finance are now chasing you for a loan you hadn't qualified for in the first place? Have you got any documents you've signed and if so, what kind of documents?

[cheenie]

Hi all - well, well, well! Put small claims to court, recieved settlement in full ( inc costs of claim-£44 in Scotland) a few weeks later, long before it was meant to reach court. Success? Yes, to a certain degree. However, about a year of stress for nothing and goodness knows how much in petrol costs and exam fees and I am still largely out of pocket. And excuse me for noting that ever since T/S gave me LVG's details, I have still not spoken to anyone from that company -which just goes to show how little time they have for their customers -ignorance in my book. So, yes it can be done, and I found the majority of my knowledge was gained by T/Standard staff. I would like to point out however, that not all of the staff were up to scratch, and I tried various numbers ( towns) to get an opinion from different staff- someone spotted things someone else missed -if that makes sense. Anyone who would like for info, please reply with your e-mail address and I'll be happy to help if I can. I've read some of the mails on here and would personally ignore some of them, how can anyone defend a company who constantly gets away with daylight robbery.

[Tigerbaby]

Hi, and congratulations on your success!
I haven't had much joy with T/S in my neck of the woods as they were at a total loss when confronted with the paperwork and suggested I send it to Brighton T/S, instead.
I'd be grateful for your advice; my e-mail address is lila711@hotmail.com.
There's at least one very bad apple on this website...

[PDI thats a larf]

REPLY to 'Nice guys come second' 2nd Aug 2008

After several e-mails and letters to TIC about my £400 cashback, all of which were ignored, I phoned them (twice) and threatened to come down in person! A few days later I got a claim form which said that the payment would be posted, for some reason, 30 days after receipt of my application (I don't remember that being mentioned at any time when I first 'signed up!). 42 days after they recieved my application form (I sent it recorded delivery) I still hadn't got my cheque, so I phoned their head office AGAIN and spoke to a lady called Sylvia Mann. She said that the cheque would be posted "today" and that there have been "staff shortages". She didn't know why my e-mails and letters had been ignored! Three days later my cheque finally arrived and I banked it straight away, expecting it to 'bounce' which luckily it didn't!

I'm still building my case against the college - time just seems to keep getting in the way these days! I won't give up though!

[mcculde]

Hi Guys
I Have spend the last few minutes reading all the horror stories regarding instructor college. I trained back 5 years ago and had very little support however I persevered and qualified and am now doing what is the only way to prevent further horror stories. I am now training people myself. So if there is anyone in the Southampton area or the central south coast looking to start or to get there current position reviewed let me know. My only proviso is that I will be completely honest with any appraisal and may save you quite a bit of time and money
regards
desmac

[helen shields-matthews]

Regarding the instructor college. I have had many if not more problems with the lack of training and total disregard as to wether you pass or not, all they want is your money! I have a great solicitor who has taken on my case, but needs some written evidence from fellow sufferers, which of course could benefit us all and blow their scam wide open. I would be more than greatful to have some feedback. I have contacted "Watchdog" and am awaiting a reply. PLEASE COULD YOU HELP?

[Tigerbaby]

I've got a folder full of documents, my solicitor's attempts at correspondence with TIC included. Also a letter of complaint to the OFT and other bits and bobs. Since there's at least one bad apple on this website, please let me know how I can contact you safely.

[helen shields-matthews]

Hi Tigerbaby, thankyou so much for your reply. Please can you email me@hsmsafari@hotmail.co.uk. am really looking forward to hearing from you. HELEN

[pompeyfan1984]

Hi all. I have recently been to the informal interview with TIC and was invited back for a driving assessment a week later, which was literally a 5 minute drive and then about half an hour in the office discussing terms of joining and putting through a credit check to see if I could have the money to pay!! After reading the comments made on here, and the ADI forum, I will most definitely will NOT be pursuing them any further, especially with their £3695 course fee! Not only that, a 12month interest free option, whereby if you cant pay within this, the APR is a shocking 29.9%!! A total of £6839 over 3 years!! Do they think people are made of money??! I walked away after with a somewhat sense of 'guilt' that I didn't take up their offer, because they were so keen and pressuring!... But why should I feel guilty for not taking them up!

[andy007]

hi there i recently signed up to become a pdi with tic. but before i signed up i was unable to find anything on them so i happily signed up to the £3500 loan and took the books home to start studying for test 1 . i sent off my for for a crb check to the crv's and waited for a reply. my crb came back then i applied for my pdi number. my pdi application form came back as my crb form was incorrect. the crb for was incorrectly filled in by the crvs. and after countless phonecalls to them i turns out someone had not ticked one box yes one box and i got sent back. i then had to reapply for a crb check to be done. i waited a few more weeks then i got my crb back. i then reapplied to go on the pdi register and this time after a couple of weeks i was placed on the register. i then applied for test 1 which by now i had done all the questions and was getting 100% each time i did a test. so after booking i tried to contact tic to notify them of my intentions of my next step, after numerous attempts of phoning them, i resorted to send an email of which was sent back as it could not be delivered. my test is on tuesday 16th september 2008 and i will you all know the outcome and wether or not i manage to get through to tic.[size=18][/size]

[Jamspay]

I’m so sorry to hear all of the horror stories about this company and the way you all have been treated, I myself today 15th September 2008 went for my informal introduction with the TIC, with me was 2 lovely ladies and as I’m sure you all know the drill and the speech I will spare you the details, As a former police officer I became suspicious from the get go as I contacted them through the reds advert and found it was an introduction to TIC, when I arrived the receptionist asked for my licence which I gave her, it’s the old style by the way she looked at it while still in the plastic folder and mumbled “what is it I’m looking for again”, I asked her did she want me to take it out of the plastic wallet and she replied “no it ok I’ve seen what I was looking for” but in fact the important information was covered and on the inside i.e. the date of issue and the points section, alarm bells started to ring.
I noticed on there list about 10 others who were supposed to be coming but clearly must of seen this web site first and didn’t bother lucky them.
The chat was very professional, I asked a lot of very testing questions and the replies were all very well rehearsed buy the end I had a happy glow inside and could see a career path with the full support of an approved collage, “more like a family” who would look after you for the rest of your life while working as a driving instructor.
Nice sales pitch, the cost was £3695.00 offered as up front payment or deferred 12 months credit agreement.
At the end the female speaker went out of the room and can back with “the price was going up on the 26th of September “ so we all had a short time to get sorted “oh and by the way we are doing a special offer you get £400.00 cash back at the completion of your course”. Have you heard this before?
Mmmmm I said that sounds like pressure sales patter to which she said no its just been announced and there are changes coming in the company as the TIC was about to be rebranded as Reds training school, oh I wonder why lol.
I’m booked in for my test drive and probably some heavy sales chat, I might just go along and get that much needed paper work you all want. Irrespective of what they put in there contract there is a legal requirement in contract law that you have 7 days cooling off period from and contract and also the finance company who ever they are could find themselves in a lot of trouble for giving credit to people who cannot afford to pay it back its called responsible lending also they must tell you about the cooling off period and when you instruct to cancel they must legally refund within 30 days, it is all very heavily governed by the watchdog Financial Services Authority set up by the government to regulate financial services and protect your rights. This means they set standards that financial services firms have to meet and they will take action if they don’t , Firms lending money to customers must be licensed by the Office of Fair Trading (OFT) under The Consumer Credit Act 1974. The Act requires certain credit and hire agreements to be set out in a particular way and to contain certain information. All of this information is at your finger tip on the internet.
I hope this information has been helpful because your comments have helped me to look at other roads to getting my license, when I get any more info I will of course post it,
And for the record korgathegreep clearly works for them in some capacity as her chat is the same as the script they spill out at the introductions, practise practise practise! Too bad doll you been rumbled.

J x peace

[Jamspay]

P.S. I knew it was to good to be true, had it been all true and gen then they really would have a great product on there hands. shame.

[tina j]

Hi everyone, I am so depressed and feel such a mug, As you have probably guessed I am another of their victims. I signed up with them in march. After having been made redundant I responded to an add in my local paper for "reds" i was contacted almost immediatly and an appt was made for me at brentwood where it was explained to me that tic do the training but i will be gauranteed employment through red. I had my initial chat with them and an appt was made for the next day for my assessment. I was taken out for a twenty minute drive and then back in for a chat, where i was told that as there was a real demand for women instructors the sky was the limit and as was unemployed i could be out earning on a pink in 16 weeks. Fantastic!! I did ask what I thought were pertinent questions ie "with all due respect would you have told me if i was a lousy driver and that i was'nt really suitable??" the answer, "most definatly only yesterday I had to take the car keys of a gentleman and apologise that we would not consider him for the course" I was then taken through all the earning potential, all the support I would recieve from the college, how If I felt I needed it I could just turn up and get additional training and support and how I would be "part of a big family who would be there" Fantastic. I then said I would go and discuss it with my partner and was then advised that if I wetre to sign up there nd then I would recieve a special deal and recieve four hundred pounds back on completion, but that was only available until the end of the day. (that was obv a lie as people are still being offereds it). I signed up!!!.all started well I was given an appt for the next week and as I had already said to him I would be working on the 16 wk theory I was being given my sessions quite quickly, so all seemed ok so even if I had fully taken on board the very limited cooling of period I would'nt necessarily been unhappy at that point. I started getting a little peeved by the attitude of the woman who was doing the traing, (if you have had her you will know who I mean) I found her very aggressive and dismissive whenever asked a question by someone and very often quite rude. I also felt that on a few occasions there were people that were there that perhaps should'nt have been (sorry no disrespect intended) I was also really annoyed that although we had been told that ALL training material would be supplied, we were told to buy our own hazard perception discs if required, when she was questioned on this we were told that if we wanted to use theirs we could but would have to book???

I also found the whole process of the crb very slow and delayed the traing somewhat as there was ap point when I couldnt get anymore sessions booked until certain things had been recieved, to which when i mentioned to the woman that I had found myself loosing motivation the responce I got was basically tough, and when I jokingly said that even though I had not been in touch with the college for four weeks and had not recieved a call from them to see if i was still alive (part of a family) i was told it was down to me to maintin contact.

on having pssed the part 1 test I contacted them to start the next stage of training I was offered an appt in three weeks time, in the meantime me and a guy that I had met through the course buddied up and started practising ourselves even though we both voiced that perhaps we werent practising right, still something better than nothing. on my 1st car session went out with a guy that proceeded to show me how he expected me to drive and commentate. Well buy the time he had finished I was exhausted just listening to him I done my drive and he said "well you have ade this quite hard for me that was a really good drive" he marked me as B's and told me to practice commentry went in to book next session, 3 weeks, after I questioned this he said he could get me in the next day if i wanted, I wanted. went out the next day with a different guy, who contradicted a lot of what the 1st guy had said, when I questioned this he said I must have mis-understood. OK!!

next session FOUR weeks, again I questioned this and I was told I would be put on the cancelation board, on my next session again all that had been said before was contradicted, (one guy said emergency stop to harsh this one said to slow???) my manouvers were to fast, I pulled out to close to someone on a duel carriegway. I drove to slow on the duel carriegway (67 ish) by the end of my mock test my confidence was in tatters. I carried on practising as they had advised but in the end contacted another school just to have an independant assessment.
result, completly had to re-assess my manouvers, and he spent four weeks re-building my confidence on duel carriegways. I have now taken my part 2 and passed YAY!! and feel that had I not taken the extra lessons then I would most definatly not have. It has now been 9 weeks since I have had any contact with "my family" at the college and when I did call them to arrange for my next session I was told that it would now be split over 3 weeks instead of the intensive 5 days as I was initially told, if I wanted to do it over 5 days I would have to wait until 20th oct.so where does this leave me with earning money in 16n wks???

I have written to head office asking for a break down of the costings because by no stretch of the imagination can I work out where the 3.5 grand fees are going. I have lost all confidence in the college and would love to do my part 3 with the guy I have been having aditional traing with but unless I can get out of these fees I just cannot afford it, and I really feel that it is just not going to happen with the college, if anyone has found a way out yet please help\
xx

[pompeyfan1984]

After a meeting with a regional manager for a national driving school today, I questioned his thoughts on TIC and it is pretty much the same as everyone else. How many of you have really seen RED driving school cars on the roads... I can count them all on one hand! Don't waste your hard earned money on TIC, there are better options out there... and if anyone cant afford the money up front, perhaps a PAYG option would be better, with the possibility of going with an independent trainer, who will cost half as much as TIC, yet most probably give you that more personal approach and really want you to do well

[RedHotChiliNerd]

Let's try and set a few records straight, here.

Becoming an ADI is not easy. I think the figures show that less than 10% of those who set out to train make it to ADI - the rest fail, many of them miserably. There is no Divine Right which says those who decide they want to be ADIs will become ADIs. The real issue affecting most of these people is whether or not they are capable of being ADIs in the first place.

Our society has deteriorated so much that people are conditioned to expect everything just the way they like it. A* passes at GCSE are handed out like confetti, even when it is painfully obvious that the actual level of knowledge and expertise of many A* students is woefully lacking. To make matters worse, many of those who decide 'to become driving instructors' couldn't even get basic passes at GCSE and now they see the adverts for 'earn £30k, no qualifications needed'.

In other words, if you have nothing going for you at all, you could still become an ADI. Talk about reeling them in!

Being an ADI is hard work. Unless you're in it for pin money (i.e. can't do school runs, only work Monday to Friday, no evenings) you have got a hell of a shock coming if you DO manage to qualify. The actual teaching part is easy if you're cut out for it, but I've lost count of the times I've seen newly-qualified ADIs having kittens over their first lesson, their first pupil-to-test, their first Check Test, how to deal with roundabouts, and myriad other things they really ought to know without resorting to seeking advice. So, since a lot of people who end up becoming ADIs clearly aren't up to it, what makes people think those who fail are any different?

Becoming an ADI is even harder work than being one. For most, it involves learning something which is completely new and alien: teaching others, and in a way which meets certain requirements (i.e. the way the DSA wants in order to pass the test and remain on the register). As I've said, less than 10% make it - and that's an old statistic which doesn't take into account the numpties who are currently wasting their time and money trying it as a result of those adverts.

The trainers at TIC are no better and no worse than trainers anywhere else.

If you can't cut it with TIC, it's pretty dumb to think that you'll pass first time (or at all) if you go with a private trainer. It doesn't work like that - that '10%' figure isn't just with TIC. It doesn't rise to 90% if you go 'private'. And some 'privates' are probably worse than the big school trainers because just about anyone can set up to train 'privately'. Being ORDIT registered means nothing definite - either on the plus side or the minus: you get good trainers who aren't ORDIT-registered and bad ones who are. That '10%' applies across the board.

Those who find the training more of a challenge than they'd bargained for should look much closer to home when trying to apportion blame. TIC and the other big schools are just supplying something freely - training - for something many people think they deserve by Divine Right - the exam pass - when in actual fact they shouldn't be allowed anywhere near driving instruction from the get go. If anything, that's where many trainers are at fault: they take on literally anyone (and that includes many of the 'privates' as well as most big schools). But can you imagine the whining if these deluded individuals were turned away as being 'unsuitable' at the outset?

Those who think they are in the know, but who obviously aren't, love to cite the cost of TIC's courses. They always say it is cheaper to go with a private instructor (i.e. 'pay as you go'). This is utter rubbish.

A half decent trainer will be charging £30-35 an hour, possibly more. A typical wannabe instructor will need maybe 20 hours training for Part 2 (and don't forget those who are whingeing here have demonstrated that they are high-maintenance and need a lot of tuition) and a minimum of 40 hours, but most likely 60-ish hours, at Part 3. That adds up to between £1,800 and £2,800 depending on whether you assume the lesser or greater amounts of training and high/low fees. It doesn't include exam fees, and it doesn't include Part 1.

Failure at Part 2 is high enough that any wannabe must not rule it out under any circumstances. Failure at Part 3 is much, much, much more likely than success. So add on extra training hours for second, third, and so on attempts. Plus further exams. You could easily double the amount you started off paying to your private trainer.

Oh. And don't forget your pink licence. Most wannabes end up going down that route. But anything you spend on this needs to be added to your mounting training budget - so consider the differences in cost between going on a pink franchise with a school and doing it all yourself. Of course, you'll have people telling you you can lease a car for 50p a week (maybe you can, but 99.9999% of people can't), but for the rest of us it costs about £100 a week for the car alone, plus all the other stuff which a pink franchise would cover.

TIC will carry on training you until you pass (unless their terms have changed). Most other schools do the same sort of offer. At the very least they cover you for the three attempts before your current cycle terminates, so you pay up front and that's about it. They just don't handle high-maintenance wannabes very well. They dish out the training and the student is expected to learn - just like at Universities where real learning takes place.

Too many of these wannabes consider any form of necessary additional personal research to be somehow an omission by their training establishment and start bleating as soon as they have to do it. The schools teach you how to instruct - not how to drive or, for that matter, how to learn. If you can't drive, or don't understand the principles (and can't learn them due to personal weaknesses) then you sure as hell shouldn't be trying to gain a qualification that allows you to teach that lack of knowledge to others.

So be very careful when listening to those who didactically proclaim there are 'better ways'. Those 'better ways' are not better for everyone. They're not even better for the majority, I suspect. And in many cases the 'better' claims are factually incorrect: most people trying to become ADIs will end up spending far more if they go privately than they would if they knuckle down with a pay-up-front school.

The bottom line is that there is a place for TIC and the other schools. They are not 'scams', as the original poster alleged. The only problem is that too many people are being trained to become ADIs and current ADIs don't like it, which is why they are so ready to dismiss TIC et al.

Fortunately, many of those scraping through Part 3 against all the odds won't stay in the business long. And pupils are canny: if the number I get who aren't happy with their previous instructor is in any way related to the current fresh crops of ADIs, good ADIs (existing or fresh) will always find themselves with enough work.

[pompeyfan1984]

Maybe you should look at the adiforum site... A lot of useful information on there for any potential wannabe ADI's, and indeed, ADI's themselves.

[RedHotChiliNerd]

Just don't forget that not all information is necessarily good information. Just because someone says something on the web doesn't mean it is right.

ADIs hate training schools, and every ADI is in competition with every other ADI. Plus, ADI forums are also frequented by those who have big chips on their shoulders (i.e. those who have bad things to say about TIC and other schools, and everything else about this job).

So ADI forums aren't necessarily the place to go to get good information, though they are a good place to go and find out what's eating people.

[mcculde]

RedHotchilliNerd makes some valid points regards how hard it is to become an ADI. However most peoples gripes are with the level of support you receive after paying your money. Some of us realise very quickly that the support is minimal so get of our backsides and do something about others dont. When paying £3000+ for any course you should be able to rely on getting support. Some need lots and have to be wet nursed others need gentle encouragement. That is why people like myself become trainers to learn to deal with both these types of PDI.

[RedHotChiliNerd]

It's worth pointing out, though, that a lot of people pass with TIC.

If you pay £3000, pass, and then are asked 'what did you think of the support?', not many people are going to say it was brilliant. This applies to almost any service where such a large sum is paid out. We also have to be careful to realise that any such complaint doesn't mean that TIC offer no support whatsoever. They do - it just isn't enough for some (many) people, especially when they see a bandwagon they can climb on to, i.e. to be one of the flock.

I still maintain that anyone who needs wet-nursing through becoming an ADI really has to consider that they may have chosen the wrong career path. Being an ADI is as difficult in many respects as becoming one, and there is no real official support of the wet-nursing variety once you've got that green badge. You either know what you are doing or you get in a mess (and forum advice is extremely variable - you see some real tripe posted. It's often the blind leading the blind). It's vital people realise this - many of those condemning TIC are blinded by the £30k ads and their desire be an instructor. They don't consider what they might be getting themselves into.

Referring back to the costs associated with private training, if you want to train to be an ADI you aren't going to manage it for less than a few grand at best, no matter how you train. In most cases it will be several grand in total by the time someone either qualifies or maxes out on the three attempts.

You hear stories about people who taught themselves and then passed Part 3 without any tuition whatsoever. Fine. But it doesn't apply to the vast majority.

One way or another, it costs several thousand pounds to train. Even a private trainer isn't going to give unlimited support to those who keep demanding it, nor will he or she necessarily give the kind of support those people want, so it is important not to suggest TIC (or the other schools) are doing anything different in that respect.

[tina j]

I dont think it is a case that we expect to be wet nursed or that we dont appreciate that there is going to be costs involved. My beef is that I was led to believe that the additional costings that I would be paying for is because there was A high level of ongoing support to be had, I was led to believe that as I was going to be available to have sessions at short notice as I did not have to work around work scheduals I could be out and earning in 16 weeks, this is clearly not the case. I am not stupid and I much appreciate being told the truth because then I can make an informed decision. My beef is that the money is taken very quickly with no get out clause (even partial refund if you decide that you want to take your part 3 elsewhere once you have discovered that all is not as you thought), without having your driving properly assessed and proper assessments as to whether you are actually a suitable candidate. My beef is that I cannot get sessions booked because there are so many people enrolled with tic that there is no availabilty, (even tho as i have previously mentioned there are more than a few people it is blatantly obvious should not be there.) I am an adult and if somebody in the business sat me down after after an amount of time and said that I was not going to make it I would appreciate their honesty cut my losses walk away with the balance of fees and look for alternative employment. I have passed part 1 and 2 on first attempts, part two i feel i passed because i forked out more money and put myself in the hands of another instructor who did'nt just let me drive for an hour then give me a yellow piece of paper at the end of it and tell me to practice, practice what?? why was'nt I stopped at the point of the error and shown where I had gone wrong and do it over again until I knew exactly what i was practising in my own time. If that is being wet nursed then ok but i call that being helpful. and what i expect from the fees that i am paying not just from tic but from whoever i had decided to tyrain with. Unfortunatly as it stands at the moment i have no confidence in tic??