[Lady D]

Hi everybody,

First of all im shocked to see so many people bickering and arguing on here. No wonder so many people are assuming they have done the wrong thing and have had the fear of god put into them!
To be honest i joined the Training with RED just over a year ago an its the best thing i ever did! I qualified in just under a year (could have done it quicker but took my time), and am now a fully fledged ADI with a full diary and love what i do. I did the home learning course and although failed my part 2 and my part 3 first go, did it on the second attempt.

If anybody on here has started training but been put off by all the arguing posted, just concentrate on yourself and getting qualified!!

[montyzuma]

before the allegations start
the lady doesnt appear to be a sock puppet
or at least not an obvious one, anyway.

[Lady D]

not a 'sock puppet' i assure u! Just trying to give some people a light at the end of there tunnel

[Wide Dave]

Hi Lady D,

[Wide Dave]

P.S,


By the way Lady D, we aren't bickering. I am supplying RHPS with reasoned, balanced and justifiable arguments and he is trying hard to keep up.

Welcome to the thread.

Regards,

Dave.

[RotHeissPfefferStreber]

I'm just going out on a lesson........ just wait, Dave

[RotHeissPfefferStreber]

Lady D, it is the avowed aim of those who are creating this doubt to damage Red - and anyone they suspect of being associated with them. All of Krazy Land (plus one senile old fool on an obscure money forum somewhere) has made it clear that's exactly what they want.

Whatever Saint Dave may try and claim - and this is something of a moving target where he's concerned, seeing as he pretended to be pro-Red when he first came in, then his true colours broke through bit by bit - this is the aim of these clowns.

At least 90% of Dave's posts have been specifically about Red and no one else. It is only on the last page or two he has changed tack (again!) - so don't be taken in by him

[RotHeissPfefferStreber]

[Wide Dave]

Hi RHPS,

[Wide Dave]

Have a look at Yorkshire Bloke on this link;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnhkyLYbqIY

And here is RHPS getting ready to set off for work in the morning, what a driver!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IacjiYGj9l4&feature=dir

Enjoy.....................

[RotHeissPfefferStreber]

[chickengeorge]

based on the fact that I had just been given notice of redundancy, i attended the RED presentation and based on the main point that I would be up and earning money within 16 weeks I foolishly took the load option.

The tv advert says training to suit your needs.....................na.

15 weeks and be earning money............................na.

1 year to complete to level 2 as they have insufficient number of instructors.

Had to go with another school as I wasnt allowed anymore than 5 practical sessions.

Once I had passed the part 2 (first time) i now have to wait 14 weeks to complete the part three training (40 hrs).

M.P on the case.

I'm now in the unfortunate position of not being able to travel to the part 3 training sessions as I'm not working, so I advised RED.

RED sent me a job description asking me if I was interested in selling training courses eventhou I hadnt finished my training.

I wrote to RED again I cant afford to complete the course so they offered me two other venues further away from home....................der.

I WANT TO DO THIS but RED does not have the resources locally and have taken too long to deliver and havent delivered on their promises.

RED may be a good company to work for but they need tgo tell the truth and they need to rethink the money perhaps spread the cost, staged payments ???????

[RotHeissPfefferStreber]

I don't think Lady D had the same experience, Chickengeorge.

I don't think Eddlad had the same experience.

Let's be honest. They didn't tell you you WOULD be up and running in 16 weeks (although I have never heard of this short a time before).They said COULD. I know of someone who did it in less than 6 months (not with Red), so it IS possible to do it quickly (though not likely). Their website says:

[Wide Dave]

Hi chickengeorge, RHPS,

[Wide Dave]

Hi chickengeorge, RHPS,

chickengeorge wrote;

[RotHeissPfefferStreber]

[RedAlert]

Below are some direct quotes from the brochure TIC/Red handed out some 12 months ago:

“The career is as recession proof as they come”
“There is a national shortage of qualified Driving Instructors set to become even more acute”
“You can start work as a trainee instructor in as little as 12 weeks.”
“Alternatively, you can wait to start work until you pass the final qualifying test, taking around 20 weeks”

I must admit to being pursuaded to some degree by RHPS argument since I last posted. As RHPS says what can you expect from a commercial company they obviously wants your money to pay all its sales staff and its share holders etc. Oh and its trainers if anything is left after spending millions on TV advertising and the like. At least they are not as bad as the adjustable bed salemen recently featured on Watch dog. I think RHPS is right to say Red is doing nothing illegal as in common law I believe it is stated "caveat emptor" - let the buyer beware. As the old saying goes a fool and his money are easily parted. If it looks to good to be true it probably is. It is up to the public to look beyond the salesman hype and do their own research. At lease speak to three or four other companies offering the same service and never buy on impulse especially if you can not afford to lose £3,800 or more if take out the loan.

[Wide Dave]

Hi RHPS,

[Wide Dave]

Hi RedAlert,

[RotHeissPfefferStreber]

Looks like another assualt is on the cards

RedAlert, have you ever thought of what "Recession Proof" actually means? The recession has actually caused an INCREASE in people looking to learn to drive because it improves their chances of finding work. I'm sure you won't like that, but it is a fact - my workload as skyrocketed both in number of pupils wanting to learn and numbers of people wanting to become ADIs.

The "shortage" is certainly no less a shortage than it was when they made that claim, therefore. As the famous "Tv program which would spill the beans forever and everyone will hate Red and know they are right as a result" showed, Red believes it can stand by its claims. My own experience as an ADI would suggest it can't be dismissed outright.

The same is true of any claims it makes for how long it takes to train - so long as you don't take it literally and read it as "you WILL qualify in 12 weeks" (which is what you are hinting at) I'm pretty sure that at some point the waiting times for tests in some areas of the country HAVE beenen enough for any such claims to be made. The fact is they don't say YOU WILL qualify in 12 weeks. That WOULD be wrong. But they DON'T say it, do they? No. They DON'T

20 weeks? The website clearly says 6-9 months now, and it suggests this is Part 3 alone, though it could mean asll three parts. The fact of the matter is that any claims it made in the past are superseded by the claims it makes now

Examples of this obviously difficult concept for you:

[RotHeissPfefferStreber]

Bit of confusing information there, Dave.

£500 on top of £3,800 does not equate to a £30% APR - so someone is talking rubbish somewhere. You'd have to pay it back within 12 months to get an APR anywhere near that (£600 payable in interest), and the whole point of the loan is to spread it over a minimum of 3 years (£1,750 payable in interest) or up to 5 years (£3,100 payable) in order to keep the monthly payments low.

That figure of "£2,000 more than Red" is nonsense. You are making things up.

Your company would charge a typical punter at least £1,800 for Part 3 alone (and I'm using an hourly rate of £30 for that - I bet you charge somewhat more). Add another £600 for Part 2, and the £2,400 you come up with does not seem so far away from Red's ALL IN/TRAIN YOU INDEFINITELY offer

Add exam fees (£700 if you take three tries at Parts 2 and 3) and any re-training costs (say 5 hours per failed attempt = £600) and you come to a total of around £3,700. And just look how much that goes up to if your hourly rate is £35, £40... or more

What's Red, again? Oh, yes. £3,800 for indefinite training until you pass

If you're going down the route of talking specifics, at least try to get one or two facts right

[RotHeissPfefferStreber]

[RotHeissPfefferStreber]

Dave, I see you are rattling on about that bloody legislation again

Wake me up when Red is found guilty of breaching it. Then I might listen

In the meantime:

RED IS NOT BREAKING ANY LAWS.

[Russet Guzzler]

[Wide Dave]

Hi RHPS, RedAlert, RussetGuzzler and all,