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kinL!
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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 Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 12:28 am Post subject: Kleeneze and bad debt? |
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Hi all. Can someone tell me I'm wrong please!!!
Am new to Kleeneze and have been retailing cat's for a few weeks now. Making a loss at the moment as Im not in the best of areas (central birmingham). My first drop was in a block of flats. I dropped 250 on the advise of my sponser, got 12 back, several dozen f-off's and a black eye! I gave up then and now traveling to other ares which is costing me.
Anyway I'm sticking with it for the time being and my sponsor is keen for me to get a team going so I was reading the agreement I made and now Im worried about the bad debt clause in 6.7 of the agreement. This says "Kleeneze reserves the right to recover payments which arise as a result of the actions relating to your downline distributors who are terminated as a result of bad debts where this is caused by the failure of the Upline to show appropriate care".
Terminating downline distributors sounds a bit harsh  but the way I read this, if I had a distributor in my team order £500 worth of goods and not pay Kleeneze, as their sponsor I would be liable for the debt! I know there's credit limits but this is set by Kleeneze and it seems to me they can set any limit they want without the chance of losing money if someone doesn't pay.
As far as I can see there is no actual legal or financial connection between each distributor's business so I don't understand why one distributor should be liable for another's debt? The distributor agreement I signed is with Kleeneze not my sponsor. The (few) orders I place are directly with Kleeneze as would any distributor in my team, so where is the sponser involved in the sale?
I used to work in the call centre for Studio which is part of the same company that own kleeneze and they were ruthless in getting there money sneding baliffs round at the drop of a hat for nothing more than pennies sometimes. Could this happen with kleeneze?
I hope Ive got this completely wrong but can anyone put my mind at rest please? |
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colin44
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Location: Bristol
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Hello
STAY WELL CLEAR ... !!!!!!
A lodger of mine thought that he would have a go at this. (I'm not too sure if it was Kleeneze or Betterware)
He got 1000 of their catalogues and went out and put them in peoples letter boxes.
He took orders totalling £120.
Out of the 1000 catalogues he put out he only got about 400 back.
He was charged 70p each for the ones he did not get back (approx £400)
As I can see it the only people to make money are the companys and NOT the distributors. As if you don't sell anything THEY will still make money by charging YOU for the catalogues you lose !!!!!!
REPEAT ..... STAY WELL CLEAR ... !!!!!!
Colin |
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tonejarvis
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Hi, I work for a large MLM company and I also work as an independant for another company. Firstly any business that makes you pay for stock and then pay for lost stock should be avoided.
Although this does obviously work for some people it's hard work and not for everyone.
If you want some more advice or to have a chat about working in MLM please drop me a line and we can have a chat about it. My email is tonejarvis@gmail.com |
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Honest John
Joined: 21 Jul 2009
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| colin44 wrote: | Hello
STAY WELL CLEAR ... !!!!!!
A lodger of mine thought that he would have a go at this. (I'm not too sure if it was Kleeneze or Betterware)
He got 1000 of their catalogues and went out and put them in peoples letter boxes.
He took orders totalling £120.
Out of the 1000 catalogues he put out he only got about 400 back.
He was charged 70p each for the ones he did not get back (approx £400)
As I can see it the only people to make money are the companys and NOT the distributors. As if you don't sell anything THEY will still make money by charging YOU for the catalogues you lose !!!!!!
REPEAT ..... STAY WELL CLEAR ... !!!!!!
Colin |
Hi Col
Hows sunny Brizzzzzzzel????
Sounds like Kleeneze - Betterware is FREE OF CHARGE!!!!
Completey differnet companies in my opinion but unfortunately people think that Betterware & the sc*m are completly the same.
WHY IS IT theres 99% horror stories for 1% supposed success????
Regards
Honest John |
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montyzuma
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"WHY IS IT theres 99% horror stories for 1% supposed success???? "
cos thats how it works like a pyramid with all the poor sods at the bottom
feeding the rich ones further up. |
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Honest John
Joined: 21 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:59 am Post subject: Re: Kleeneze and bad debt? |
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| kinL! wrote: | Hi all. Can someone tell me I'm wrong please!!!
Am new to Kleeneze and have been retailing cat's for a few weeks now. Making a loss at the moment as Im not in the best of areas (central birmingham). My first drop was in a block of flats. I dropped 250 on the advise of my sponser, got 12 back, several dozen f-off's and a black eye! I gave up then and now traveling to other ares which is costing me.
Anyway I'm sticking with it for the time being and my sponsor is keen for me to get a team going so I was reading the agreement I made and now Im worried about the bad debt clause in 6.7 of the agreement. This says "Kleeneze reserves the right to recover payments which arise as a result of the actions relating to your downline distributors who are terminated as a result of bad debts where this is caused by the failure of the Upline to show appropriate care".
Terminating downline distributors sounds a bit harsh but the way I read this, if I had a distributor in my team order £500 worth of goods and not pay Kleeneze, as their sponsor I would be liable for the debt! I know there's credit limits but this is set by Kleeneze and it seems to me they can set any limit they want without the chance of losing money if someone doesn't pay.
As far as I can see there is no actual legal or financial connection between each distributor's business so I don't understand why one distributor should be liable for another's debt? The distributor agreement I signed is with Kleeneze not my sponsor. The (few) orders I place are directly with Kleeneze as would any distributor in my team, so where is the sponser involved in the sale?
I used to work in the call centre for Studio which is part of the same company that own kleeneze and they were ruthless in getting there money sneding baliffs round at the drop of a hat for nothing more than pennies sometimes. Could this happen with kleeneze?
I hope Ive got this completely wrong but can anyone put my mind at rest please? |
Another first poster 
Sounds like you've been ripped off & if your going to stick at it then it
sound like its on your head.
If you've signed a contract & you know how they operate why did the hell you join them
Did you get sucked in & think you'll be driving a Ferrari next week, next year, maybe the year after....No never!!!
I'm so so so sorry for you
If you worried, seek legal advice. If you want some down to earth advice, leave KZ NOW!!!!
Regards
Honest John |
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Honest John
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| montyzuma wrote: | "WHY IS IT theres 99% horror stories for 1% supposed success???? "
cos thats how it works like a pyramid with all the poor sods at the bottom
feeding the rich ones further up. |
Why is it thats theres sooooo many on this forum alone that have been ripped off 
What can you do about these types of companies
I heard that KZ advertised on TV
I've also heard that the BBC are doing a doc. on Door Step Sellers.
I reckon they could & should do a doc. on how many people get sucked into these types of companies.
The blokes first post...........I go a black eye & told to F.... off .........& hes carrying on.......FOR CHRIST SAKE
When will people learn.......... live within your means & get a job. MLM will 99% of the time will not make you cash rich. END OF 
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Honest John |
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colin44
Joined: 07 Jan 2009
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Location: Bristol
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| Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 10:35 am Post subject: |
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Hi Col
Hows sunny Brizzzzzzzel????
Sounds like Kleeneze - Betterware is FREE OF CHARGE!!!!
Completey differnet companies in my opinion but unfortunately people think that Betterware & the sc*m are completly the same.
WHY IS IT theres 99% horror stories for 1% supposed success????
Regards
Honest John |
Hi Honest John
You could be right , but he was working for one of them or one that has a similar MO .
In the catalogue they offered everything, Makeup / Cleaning products / House hold goods / Small Toys / Christmas Decorations / ETC ETC.
I have to say that the catalogue was very well printed and looked very professional.
On the £120 or so that he did sell he never saw a penny as his cut was deducted against the lost catalogues.
As for the lost catalogue money ...... He has since got another 100 or so back but they are refusing to give him credit for them as they say they are 'Last seasons' !!!
Like I have said ..... 'STAY WELL CLEAR'
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Honest John
Joined: 21 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:00 am Post subject: |
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| colin44 wrote: | | Honest John wrote: |
Hi Col
Hows sunny Brizzzzzzzel????
Sounds like Kleeneze - Betterware is FREE OF CHARGE!!!!
Completey differnet companies in my opinion but unfortunately people think that Betterware & the sc*m are completly the same.
WHY IS IT theres 99% horror stories for 1% supposed success????
Regards
Honest John |
Hi Honest John
You could be right , but he was working for one of them or one that has a similar MO .
In the catalogue they offered everything, Makeup / Cleaning products / House hold goods / Small Toys / Christmas Decorations / ETC ETC.
I have to say that the catalogue was very well printed and looked very professional.
On the £120 or so that he did sell he never saw a penny as his cut was deducted against the lost catalogues.
As for the lost catalogue money ...... He has since got another 100 or so back but they are refusing to give him credit for them as they say they are 'Last seasons' !!!
Like I have said ..... 'STAY WELL CLEAR'
Colin |
Hi Colin
Yes thats Kleeneze - help him out & tell him to stear well clear of them.
Sounds also like that his upline has sold him their books as I think that he normally would have bought books direct from KZ - Sound very suspect  to me & I'm so so so sorry he's got involveld with what it sounds like another scumbag, in my opinion
If its that type of work hes after tell the lodger to try Betterware - FREE OF CHARGE = nothing to lose except his free time!!!!
Regards
John |
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kinL!
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:40 am Post subject: Re: Kleeneze and bad debt? |
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| Honest John wrote: | Another first poster
Sounds like you've been ripped off & if your going to stick at it then it
sound like its on your head.
If you've signed a contract & you know how they operate why did the hell you join them
Did you get sucked in & think you'll be driving a Ferrari next week, next year, maybe the year after....No never!!!
I'm so so so sorry for you
If you worried, seek legal advice. If you want some down to earth advice, leave KZ NOW!!!!
Regards
Honest John |
Thanks for the reply Honest John and no, I'm not worried and I didn't think I'd be driving a Ferrari next week!
Living in Birmingham gives me access to a lot of potential customers so I signed up to do retailing only. The agreement in this respect is fine and as it will automatically expire at the end of the year anyway, I was happy to sign it.
To put things in context, I'm making money albeit not as much as I could be coz I'm traveling out to better areas which ups my overheads. But I'm making enough to make it worthwhile and I can drop it any time I choose.
I'm not bothered about team building but my sponsor was keen to get me on this, so, I was going through the agreement with him (in more and more detail the more annoyed he got !) and when I questioned him on the bad debt clause he was clueless. He did get his sponsor on the phone to answer my questions but he was just full of crap.
So no, I won't be team building but by posting here I was trying to see if anyone can confirm my thoughts or dispute them if I have in fact misinterpreted the agreement.
So come on folks, rather than just slating kleeneze, has anyone got any real views on my specific question? |
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SWINGFOG
Joined: 24 Oct 2009
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Hi all,
against all sorts of advice,i have signed to kleeneze,the kit is inbound.
i wont be building a team,i wont be going to any fXckin' meetings either.If i make any cash,then good for me,if i dont then they can ram it,but i will stick at it,see how it goes.
There is one thing i will guarantee though,if someone attempts to give me a black eye they in return will get some instant retribution!!!
In bucket loads!! |
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kinL!
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| Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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| SWINGFOG wrote: | There is one thing i will guarantee though,if someone attempts to give me a black eye they in return will get some instant retribution!!!
In bucket loads!! |
Hi swingfog, sorry i didnt make myself very clear about the eye which was nothing to do with the kleeneze work apart from it ahppening when I was collecting cat's. I run doors and was recognised by a couple of herberts who fancied a go. The one who gave me the eye got away, the other didn't but before anyone jumps to conclusions, I made a citizens arrest and got them both dealt with by the police. Far more satisfying 
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SWINGFOG
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good result all round then!! nice one.
Good luck,keep duckin'!!
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