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eVISCor8
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 Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 5:55 pm Post subject: The BNP are not a racist party... |
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The Gospel according to Orwelian Logic:
"The BNP are not a racist party, yet you with your head filled up with so much left wing propaganda will always see the BNP as racist, continuing to show your ignorance. There is no doubt there are probably racists within but that does not mean all are. The fact there are hundreds of support groups for Blacks and Asians only goes to show that the only apparant racism in this country is from Black/Asian to white. The whites in this country, although the clear majority in size, are unfortunately the minority when it comes to everything else.
The reason this country is in the shit it's in is BECAUSE of people like you with your socialist ideas. Might I remind you that the destruction of the UK has been greatly accelarated by your socialist Nu Labour government. I'm not disputing that the Tories never started the destruction, but at least our streets were alot safer under the Tories and discipline and respect far better amongst youth than they are now. "
As an outside observer of British politics, it is my opinion that the BNP is ONLY a racist party. Wrapping reasonable sounding half truths around KKK-type spite does not disguise it at all. |
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Orwellian_Logic
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:20 pm Post subject: Re: The BNP are not a racist party... |
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| eVISCor8 wrote: |
As an outside observer of British politics, it is my opinion that the BNP is ONLY a racist party. Wrapping reasonable sounding half truths around KKK-type spite does not disguise it at all. |
I think then as an 'outside observer' you should keep your opinions to yourself as you are obviously not British and keep yourself more in tune with your own countries politics.
It is very understandable why, as a foreigner, you will see the BNP or any party that defends the rights of the Indigenous people, as racist. For example at the time of the second World War, if I was a german living in the UK and read the anti german propoganda, I could very well state that the Conservative party was a racist party too.
I think if you read the manifesto by the BNP on immigration and what it wants to do then you will take back your ideas of a racist BNP.
The bottom line is this, Britain is currently ina crisis. Thanks to immigration and an explosion of third world unskilled labour the demographics are very much under threat. The education system, the cultural system and the belief system here are all being destroyed for a Utopian ideology of muticulturalism which cannot work.
Simply put, tighter measures have to be put in place in order to protect our culture, our traditions and our ways of life. The BNP is the only party that speaks of it so why not give them a chance? If they fail then they'll be no different than Labour or Conservative.
It's a shame, that people like you come to this country as an outsider and want to live the way you want to live in our country. This is Britian and if you want to live here then you must live by OUR RULES or else GET LOST. It's really not that hard, I mean, in most other countries, especially Islamic ones, you have no choice but to live by their rules.
Britain needs to change or else the very reason that the UK is the way it is and has welcomed so many diverse religions and people will dissappear for good.
The BNP promotes the above and will not kick out every Black/Asian person in the country as you are led to believe from the left wing press. The BNP will promote a predominately WHITE BRITISH culture which, if you hadn't noticed has been WHITE since it's first population around 10,000 BC. It has only changed in the last century. In saying that it will not descriminate against people of a different colour or religion but will promote the cultures and traditions of the UK before it was invaded by Islamic and African cultures. They will allow Islamic and African cultures in the UK but they will always be minority and if they clash with the majority views then the majority views will always prevail. You live in our country you live by our rules and if you're not happy then don't come here and it's that simple.
If Britain continues down the way it is going and allows immigrants, especially from Islamic countries to populate the UK then within 25 or so years the majority of the people here will not be white and this country will fall into the third world status of most of it's immigrants homelands.
As much as I would like to vote for an alternative to the BNP there is no political party in this country that speaks up for me. I am a white man being treated like a 2nd class citizen in my own country. |
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eVISCor8
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I did not want to come here. It was a career move. Now I like it better, but it could never be my home - the infrastructure is too third world, and the economy is a one-trick-pony.
The rest of your advocacy is a predictable collection of excuses.
As for being treated as second class: I refrain from using the obvious but nonetheless truthful jibe  |
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angel3
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Er...I am definitely not a foreigner and I think the BNP are racist too.
If they ain't then they need to employ a marketing manager and rebrand their image.  |
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Last eastender
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As someone who does not vote or support the BNP I would like to say they are not as bad as the media and the left pretend them to be.
Is there any instance of the BNP encouraging violence or persecution of minorities?
Get real there are far more dangerous groups in Britain the BNP are a legitimate party, except it.
evis sounds like your making excuses about being here? |
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Orwellian_Logic
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| eVISCor8 wrote: | I did not want to come here. It was a career move. Now I like it better, but it could never be my home - the infrastructure is too third world, and the economy is a one-trick-pony.
The rest of your advocacy is a predictable collection of excuses.
As for being treated as second class: I refrain from using the obvious but nonetheless truthful jibe |
Did anyone ask the British people if we wanted an influx of foreigners or Muslims? Did anyone ask if we wanted multiculturalism forced upon us?
The government did and it won't be long before this countries people will be feeling like the Serbian nationals whose cultures and traditions are about to be ripped away thanks to the newly given, independence of Kosovo and the creation of Europe's first Islamist state.
I don't care where you came from and from what it sounds if it will never be your home then why stay? Are you yet another unhappy foreigner living in the UK, denouncing it's cultures and ways of life in favour of your own preferred country or place you'd rather be. No one's keeping you here so why don't you leave? |
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eVISCor8
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If Britain continues down the way it is going and allows immigrants, especially from Islamic countries to populate the UK then within 25 or so years the majority of the people here will not be white and this country will fall into the third world status of most of it's immigrants homelands.
You had a politician about 40 years ago saying much the same. It did not happen and probably your prediction will not happen either. |
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bangon
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:41 pm Post subject: Re: The BNP are not a racist party... |
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| Orwellian_Logic wrote: | | eVISCor8 wrote: |
As an outside observer of British politics, it is my opinion that the BNP is ONLY a racist party. Wrapping reasonable sounding half truths around KKK-type spite does not disguise it at all. |
I think then as an 'outside observer' you should keep your opinions to yourself as you are obviously not British and keep yourself more in tune with your own countries politics.
It is very understandable why, as a foreigner, you will see the BNP or any party that defends the rights of the Indigenous people, as racist. For example at the time of the second World War, if I was a german living in the UK and read the anti german propoganda, I could very well state that the Conservative party was a racist party too.
I think if you read the manifesto by the BNP on immigration and what it wants to do then you will take back your ideas of a racist BNP.
The bottom line is this, Britain is currently ina crisis. Thanks to immigration and an explosion of third world unskilled labour the demographics are very much under threat. The education system, the cultural system and the belief system here are all being destroyed for a Utopian ideology of muticulturalism which cannot work.
Simply put, tighter measures have to be put in place in order to protect our culture, our traditions and our ways of life. The BNP is the only party that speaks of it so why not give them a chance? If they fail then they'll be no different than Labour or Conservative.
It's a shame, that people like you come to this country as an outsider and want to live the way you want to live in our country. This is Britian and if you want to live here then you must live by OUR RULES or else GET LOST. It's really not that hard, I mean, in most other countries, especially Islamic ones, you have no choice but to live by their rules.
Britain needs to change or else the very reason that the UK is the way it is and has welcomed so many diverse religions and people will dissappear for good.
The BNP promotes the above and will not kick out every Black/Asian person in the country as you are led to believe from the left wing press. The BNP will promote a predominately WHITE BRITISH culture which, if you hadn't noticed has been WHITE since it's first population around 10,000 BC. It has only changed in the last century. In saying that it will not descriminate against people of a different colour or religion but will promote the cultures and traditions of the UK before it was invaded by Islamic and African cultures. They will allow Islamic and African cultures in the UK but they will always be minority and if they clash with the majority views then the majority views will always prevail. You live in our country you live by our rules and if you're not happy then don't come here and it's that simple.
If Britain continues down the way it is going and allows immigrants, especially from Islamic countries to populate the UK then within 25 or so years the majority of the people here will not be white and this country will fall into the third world status of most of it's immigrants homelands.
As much as I would like to vote for an alternative to the BNP there is no political party in this country that speaks up for me. I am a white man being treated like a 2nd class citizen in my own country. |
I don't see and cannot believe how a white man treated to be a 2nd class citizen?!! There are still amazing high racisim in this country but its still discriminate non-white people!!! Some English people I've come across are mixed, some are good and ok but some are arrogrant yet ignorant wanting to belittle some non-white to make them feel more important, and those English people i dislike most. They are just jealous when they see a non-white person doing better than them driving a better car... don't you agree? |
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Last eastender
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It is happening not on the scale predicted but it is happening.
Most of it is hushed up by the media, as its generally black/asian on white violence.
Enoch Powell was no racist, he actually supported the mau mau uprising in Kenya, he just didnt want mass immigration. |
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bangon
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| Orwellian_Logic wrote: | | eVISCor8 wrote: | I did not want to come here. It was a career move. Now I like it better, but it could never be my home - the infrastructure is too third world, and the economy is a one-trick-pony.
The rest of your advocacy is a predictable collection of excuses.
As for being treated as second class: I refrain from using the obvious but nonetheless truthful jibe |
Did anyone ask the British people if we wanted an influx of foreigners or Muslims? Did anyone ask if we wanted multiculturalism forced upon us?
The government did and it won't be long before this countries people will be feeling like the Serbian nationals whose cultures and traditions are about to be ripped away thanks to the newly given, independence of Kosovo and the creation of Europe's first Islamist state.
I don't care where you came from and from what it sounds if it will never be your home then why stay? Are you yet another unhappy foreigner living in the UK, denouncing it's cultures and ways of life in favour of your own preferred country or place you'd rather be. No one's keeping you here so why don't you leave? |
BTW, I have come across a few Eastern european, they are white, and they complaint a lot about the UK too, so why you only focus on non-European? |
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Orwellian_Logic
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| eVISCor8 wrote: | If Britain continues down the way it is going and allows immigrants, especially from Islamic countries to populate the UK then within 25 or so years the majority of the people here will not be white and this country will fall into the third world status of most of it's immigrants homelands.
You had a politician about 40 years ago saying much the same. It did not happen and probably your prediction will not happen either. |
What is your ethnicity?
I presume we're talking about Enoch Powell?
It already has happened and continuing to do so. The Islamic population is continuing to grow at a rate 4 times or so higher than the Indigenous population of the UK. It does not take a brain surgeon to realise that continuing birth trends will eventually put Muslims in the majority, whether they're White, Black or Asian.
It is continuing denialist propoganda perpetuated by people like yourself VISC why the UK is turning into the shithole that it is. If you let shit in from shit countries and allow them to populate and peddle their shit cultures in a liberal society then that shit culture will eventually prevail.
I suppose I'm sick of hearing 'there isn't a problem in the UK. We don't have an immigration crisis. We don't have a problem where British culture is being eroded in favour of minority ones........."
There is a problem in the UK and that problem will continue to grow unless a party comes into sort it out. If that party happens to be a right wing party in favour of the Inidigenous population to which I am a member then so be it. In times of crisis you have to think of yourself, your people and your civilisation. Other peoples in other countries do the same. I believe it's called WAR. |
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eVISCor8
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| Last eastender wrote: | As someone who does not vote or support the BNP I would like to say they are not as bad as the media and the left pretend them to be.
Is there any instance of the BNP encouraging violence or persecution of minorities?
Get real there are far more dangerous groups in Britain the BNP are a legitimate party, except it.
evis sounds like your making excuses about being here? |
I make no excuses. I am here on contract. Initially I wanted out, but I went home for the holiday and thought about it and decided to see out my time. I am liking it better, but you Brits are a bit too uptight to get to know easily. |
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As a foreigner, I'm curious about BNP (one of the many oddities I've found on this island of yours). I found their 2005 manifesto on the net and decided to have a look. I had to stop after 15min, was laughing too hard..
It's ridiculous stuff!!!!!
1. Under the title 'Democracy' -cutting away censorship. WTF? Sounds like they're pissed off about not being allowed to print racist material.'We would repeal the Race Relations Acts and all other restriction on free speech'. Looks like I was right...
2. 'Restore to the legitimate and law-abiding sportsmen the right to possess and shoot all the varieties of weapon they were entitled to before -97'. Why??? I'm all for strict gun control
3. 'Beginning by increasing the funding of exisiting border controls by 500%'. WTF
4. Acknowledge legitimate refugees but ask them to go to the nearest country. UK would in that case only accept refugees from (for example) France and Denmark. FFS... Why don't they just say that they're banning refugees???
5. Life time ban on people who have violated entry or immigration laws. I guess thousands of aussies wouldn't be able to work in the UK (in highly skilled jobs) if they over staid their holiday visa one summer when touring Europe. Sounds a bit extreme...
6. 'Islamic terrorists living in the country plotting mass murder in Britain illustrate the link between illegal immigration and terrorism'. No it doesn't!!! Shoe bomber was British...
9. Skilled and key workers can stay as long as they demonstrate they are contributing to society and until BNP have had time to train British personnel to replace them. WTF??? Don't you want brain surgeons and nurses??? Who in their right mind would stay in a highly skilled job if the government said they are in the process of replacing them. You'll have mass migration of all the skilled people looking for jobs elsewhere. Stupid
10. Linking behavioural tendencies directly to race. Erm.. no... that's not how it happens... your race does not contribute to your behaviour. Eejits
11. Abolishing multiculturalism. Where will you get your curries?
12. 'We would abolish all laws against racial discrimination in employment and the government bodies associated with enforcing them'. So you're saying it's ok to be racist at work? Argh...
13. They want to teach manners which I am all for! Can't believe I'm agreeing though.. However: 'Soap operas should seek to portray slightly higher than real-life behaviour as the norm, rather than settingout to show ordinary people-in particular the white working class - in the most negative and unattractive light'. I loved the Royal Family!!! Don't ban it!!!
14. Favour of traditional architecture over modern. That's a bit boring...
15. Capital punishment
16. 'Entire families financially responsible for the cost of crimes committed by one of their members'.
17. 'Adults in a community may, on rare occasions, clip badly behaved kids around the ear'. NEVER. There is no valid reason for hitting or 'clipping' a child. EVER.
I'd assume that, this being community, there'll be the occasional personal insult but could people who want to vote BNP please explain their rational? All this just seems so far fetched/ racist/ plain stupid to me. I'd like to know why people would vote for this? |
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Orwellian_Logic
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:57 pm Post subject: Re: The BNP are not a racist party... |
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| bangon wrote: |
I don't see and cannot believe how a white man treated to be a 2nd class citizen?!! There are still amazing high racisim in this country but its still discriminate non-white people!!! Some English people I've come across are mixed, some are good and ok but some are arrogrant yet ignorant wanting to belittle some non-white to make them feel more important, and those English people i dislike most. They are just jealous when they see a non-white person doing better than them driving a better car... don't you agree? |
Bangon, where are you from?
It seems from your grammar that you are certainly not of these Isles. When it comes to Britain, it's culture and it's people then you, my friend have no platform from which to voice your opinion. I suppose you to be Eastern European and so I suggest that if changes were to be made in the UK then it should be up to those of British origin to decide and not those not of British origin.
I'm not being rude but, really you're life a fish out of water on this one, as it really has nothing to do with you. You live in Britain I presume and therefore are a foreigner and part of the minority. Accept that, repsect that and get on with your life as I find foreigners in the UK telling us how we should live and accept 'foreigners' to be a real pain in the neck, who should shut up and mind their own business. |
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bangon
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 7:00 pm Post subject: Re: The BNP are not a racist party... |
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| Orwellian_Logic wrote: | | bangon wrote: |
I don't see and cannot believe how a white man treated to be a 2nd class citizen?!! There are still amazing high racisim in this country but its still discriminate non-white people!!! Some English people I've come across are mixed, some are good and ok but some are arrogrant yet ignorant wanting to belittle some non-white to make them feel more important, and those English people i dislike most. They are just jealous when they see a non-white person doing better than them driving a better car... don't you agree? |
Bangon, where are you from?
It seems from your grammar that you are certainly not of these Isles. When it comes to Britain, it's culture and it's people then you, my friend have no platform from which to voice your opinion. I suppose you to be Eastern European and so I suggest that if changes were to be made in the UK then it should be up to those of British origin to decide and not those not of British origin.
I'm not being rude but, really you're life a fish out of water on this one, as it really has nothing to do with you. You live in Britain I presume and therefore are a foreigner and part of the minority. Accept that, repsect that and get on with your life as I find foreigners in the UK telling us how we should live and accept 'foreigners' to be a real pain in the neck, who should shut up and mind their own business. |
So are you telling cos I'm a foreigner I have no right to voice and should be a 2nd class citizen??? |
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| are plaid cymru, UKIP, the SNP and Sinn fein racist??? |
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bangon
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| Rocky Boardflooder wrote: | | Englishman the 2nd wrote: | | are plaid cymru, UKIP, the SNP and Sinn fein racist??? |
yes |
SNP or racist? |
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Last eastender
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| eVISCor8 wrote: | | Last eastender wrote: | As someone who does not vote or support the BNP I would like to say they are not as bad as the media and the left pretend them to be.
Is there any instance of the BNP encouraging violence or persecution of minorities?
Get real there are far more dangerous groups in Britain the BNP are a legitimate party, except it.
evis sounds like your making excuses about being here? |
I make no excuses. I am here on contract. Initially I wanted out, but I went home for the holiday and thought about it and decided to see out my time. I am liking it better, but you Brits are a bit too uptight to get to know easily. |
We're not uptight, we're reserved yes, we dont take to people straight away, it takes time to know us but one thing we are is genuine. I find in cultures where people act like they know you from the moment they meet you, they can be very fickle and quick to turn on you. We do not. |
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bangon
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| Last eastender wrote: | | eVISCor8 wrote: | | Last eastender wrote: | As someone who does not vote or support the BNP I would like to say they are not as bad as the media and the left pretend them to be.
Is there any instance of the BNP encouraging violence or persecution of minorities?
Get real there are far more dangerous groups in Britain the BNP are a legitimate party, except it.
evis sounds like your making excuses about being here? |
I make no excuses. I am here on contract. Initially I wanted out, but I went home for the holiday and thought about it and decided to see out my time. I am liking it better, but you Brits are a bit too uptight to get to know easily. |
We're not uptight, we're reserved yes, we dont take to people straight away, it takes time to know us but one thing we are is genuine. I find in cultures where people act like they know you from the moment they meet you, they can be very fickle and quick to turn on you. We do not. |
But not are like that though... I am an Eskimo and I find some are nice to Eskimo may be they like polar bears, and yes we treat polar with respect and don't discriminate them as 2nd class citizens... |
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bangon
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| Rocky Boardflooder wrote: | | bangon wrote: | | Last eastender wrote: | | eVISCor8 wrote: | | Last eastender wrote: | As someone who does not vote or support the BNP I would like to say they are not as bad as the media and the left pretend them to be.
Is there any instance of the BNP encouraging violence or persecution of minorities?
Get real there are far more dangerous groups in Britain the BNP are a legitimate party, except it.
evis sounds like your making excuses about being here? |
I make no excuses. I am here on contract. Initially I wanted out, but I went home for the holiday and thought about it and decided to see out my time. I am liking it better, but you Brits are a bit too uptight to get to know easily. |
We're not uptight, we're reserved yes, we dont take to people straight away, it takes time to know us but one thing we are is genuine. I find in cultures where people act like they know you from the moment they meet you, they can be very fickle and quick to turn on you. We do not. |
But not are like that though... I am a male rapist and I fuck men whilst they sleep...but not Rocky cos hes a bucket arse. |
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Last eastender
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| bangon wrote: | | Last eastender wrote: | | eVISCor8 wrote: | | Last eastender wrote: | As someone who does not vote or support the BNP I would like to say they are not as bad as the media and the left pretend them to be.
Is there any instance of the BNP encouraging violence or persecution of minorities?
Get real there are far more dangerous groups in Britain the BNP are a legitimate party, except it.
evis sounds like your making excuses about being here? |
I make no excuses. I am here on contract. Initially I wanted out, but I went home for the holiday and thought about it and decided to see out my time. I am liking it better, but you Brits are a bit too uptight to get to know easily. |
We're not uptight, we're reserved yes, we dont take to people straight away, it takes time to know us but one thing we are is genuine. I find in cultures where people act like they know you from the moment they meet you, they can be very fickle and quick to turn on you. We do not. |
But not are like that though... I am an Eskimo and I find some are nice to Eskimo may be they like polar bears, and yes we treat polar with respect and don't discriminate them as 2nd class citizens... |
Arse rapist. |
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angel3
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| Elina wrote: | As a foreigner, I'm curious about BNP (one of the many oddities I've found on this island of yours). I found their 2005 manifesto on the net and decided to have a look. I had to stop after 15min, was laughing too hard..
It's ridiculous stuff!!!!!
1. Under the title 'Democracy' -cutting away censorship. WTF? Sounds like they're pissed off about not being allowed to print racist material.'We would repeal the Race Relations Acts and all other restriction on free speech'. Looks like I was right...
2. 'Restore to the legitimate and law-abiding sportsmen the right to possess and shoot all the varieties of weapon they were entitled to before -97'. Why??? I'm all for strict gun control
3. 'Beginning by increasing the funding of exisiting border controls by 500%'. WTF
4. Acknowledge legitimate refugees but ask them to go to the nearest country. UK would in that case only accept refugees from (for example) France and Denmark. FFS... Why don't they just say that they're banning refugees???
5. Life time ban on people who have violated entry or immigration laws. I guess thousands of aussies wouldn't be able to work in the UK (in highly skilled jobs) if they over staid their holiday visa one summer when touring Europe. Sounds a bit extreme...
6. 'Islamic terrorists living in the country plotting mass murder in Britain illustrate the link between illegal immigration and terrorism'. No it doesn't!!! Shoe bomber was British...
9. Skilled and key workers can stay as long as they demonstrate they are contributing to society and until BNP have had time to train British personnel to replace them. WTF??? Don't you want brain surgeons and nurses??? Who in their right mind would stay in a highly skilled job if the government said they are in the process of replacing them. You'll have mass migration of all the skilled people looking for jobs elsewhere. Stupid
10. Linking behavioural tendencies directly to race. Erm.. no... that's not how it happens... your race does not contribute to your behaviour. Eejits
11. Abolishing multiculturalism. Where will you get your curries?
12. 'We would abolish all laws against racial discrimination in employment and the government bodies associated with enforcing them'. So you're saying it's ok to be racist at work? Argh...
13. They want to teach manners which I am all for! Can't believe I'm agreeing though.. However: 'Soap operas should seek to portray slightly higher than real-life behaviour as the norm, rather than settingout to show ordinary people-in particular the white working class - in the most negative and unattractive light'. I loved the Royal Family!!! Don't ban it!!!
14. Favour of traditional architecture over modern. That's a bit boring...
15. Capital punishment
16. 'Entire families financially responsible for the cost of crimes committed by one of their members'.
17. 'Adults in a community may, on rare occasions, clip badly behaved kids around the ear'. NEVER. There is no valid reason for hitting or 'clipping' a child. EVER.
I'd assume that, this being community, there'll be the occasional personal insult but could people who want to vote BNP please explain their rational? All this just seems so far fetched/ racist/ plain stupid to me. I'd like to know why people would vote for this? |
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| Elina wrote: | As a foreigner, I'm curious about BNP (one of the many oddities I've found on this island of yours). I found their 2005 manifesto on the net and decided to have a look. I had to stop after 15min, was laughing too hard..
It's ridiculous stuff!!!!! |
I presume from your post no 10 and your ending comment "eejits" that you are Irish? Well, I just have to state the IRA and them not wanting to be controlled by 'another' culture, the english, so when it comes to Nationalism, there are none moreso than the Irish.
| Elina wrote: | | 1. Under the title 'Democracy' -cutting away censorship. WTF? Sounds like they're pissed off about not being allowed to print racist material.'We would repeal the Race Relations Acts and all other restriction on free speech'. Looks like I was right... |
So you don't want freedom of speech then?
| Elina wrote: | | 2. 'Restore to the legitimate and law-abiding sportsmen the right to possess and shoot all the varieties of weapon they were entitled to before -97'. Why??? I'm all for strict gun control |
I remember reading somehwere that taking guns away from law abiding citizens means removing their only defence. However in this case the removal of guns from people of gun clubs did not reduce gun crime but in fact reduced one of the sports we were actually good at in competing in - Shooting.
| Elina wrote: | | 3. 'Beginning by increasing the funding of exisiting border controls by 500%'. WTF |
And what is wrong with an increase in Border control? By doing so you are stopping the arrival of drugs and illegal immigrants, people trafficking who are brought over to work as slaves and prostitutes. You will also reduce gun import and export as well. Simply said they will apply the role of the Royal Navy much more than they currently are in the defence and well being of this country.
| Elina wrote: | | 4. Acknowledge legitimate refugees but ask them to go to the nearest country. UK would in that case only accept refugees from (for example) France and Denmark. FFS... Why don't they just say that they're banning refugees??? |
Wrong, a refugee is someone who flees their country for fear of persecution. Therefore there is no need to travel half way across the world, passing many safe countries. The reason people do is for economic reasons and to live off of our benefits systems. many of the refugees who flee third world countries have actually committed attrocities and are fleeing persecution from those whom they have persecuted against. Why should we help them. The neighbouring countries should help them and quite rightly so. Britain cannot become a refuge for every person not happy living where they are. If those people aren't happy then they should so something about it, ie, revolution. It's not Britain's problem.
| Elina wrote: | | 5. Life time ban on people who have violated entry or immigration laws. I guess thousands of aussies wouldn't be able to work in the UK (in highly skilled jobs) if they over staid their holiday visa one summer when touring Europe. Sounds a bit extreme... |
by violating entry that means not coming into the country without permission and only in Britain can you get into this country regardless of crimes committed in the past or visa problems. Every country has strict controls on entry, no moreso than Oz. They are being no different than any other country.
| Elina wrote: | | 6. 'Islamic terrorists living in the country plotting mass murder in Britain illustrate the link between illegal immigration and terrorism'. No it doesn't!!! Shoe bomber was British... |
You are a fucking plank aren't you? An Islamic terrorist is an Islamist and could be from anywhere. There is a growing number of Islamists who are born in the UK planning terrorist activities in the UK and Europe. Go around University and College campuses in the UK and you'll see them openly attracting more mulsims to their cause.
| Elina wrote: | | 9. Skilled and key workers can stay as long as they demonstrate they are contributing to society and until BNP have had time to train British personnel to replace them. WTF??? Don't you want brain surgeons and nurses??? Who in their right mind would stay in a highly skilled job if the government said they are in the process of replacing them. You'll have mass migration of all the skilled people looking for jobs elsewhere. Stupid |
There are very few foreigners in skilled positions in the UK. In fact you will also find that there are more doctors and brain surgeons of UK origin leaving the UK to work abroad because they can't get work in the UK for 'race relation' reasons.
| Elina wrote: | | 10. Linking behavioural tendencies directly to race. Erm.. no... that's not how it happens... your race does not contribute to your behaviour. Eejits |
The more unskilled Africans from war torn countries come to the UK the more violence they bring with them. Race does contribute to violence, look at Africa. Education does play a big part and Africa certainly needs alot of that.
| Elina wrote: | | 11. Abolishing multiculturalism. Where will you get your curries? |
Fool. Multiculturalism will always exist but all other cultures will be subordinate to the main culture of the country. There will always be curry houses, Kebab shops and all other kinds of Cultural establishments in the UK, just not at the large rate they currently are.
| Elina wrote: | | 12. 'We would abolish all laws against racial discrimination in employment and the government bodies associated with enforcing them'. So you're saying it's ok to be racist at work? Argh... |
Yet again your stupidity grows. The racial descrimination laws promote racial discrimination in the workplace. Considering the ratio of white people in the UK to ethnic minorities it means that for every 10 people going for a job one would be ethnic. Therefore it means that the racial discrimination laws will mean that a workplace has to have an x amount of ethnics in it's workforce and completely throws out the skill level of the workforce. A person should get a job on skill level not colour of skin. ken Livingstone wants 33% of teachers in London to be Black 33% White and 33% white. This is prejudice as it stops good teachers from getting jobs because of their skin colour and moreso creates more segregation in society than integration.
| Elina wrote: | | 13. They want to teach manners which I am all for! Can't believe I'm agreeing though.. However: 'Soap operas should seek to portray slightly higher than real-life behaviour as the norm, rather than settingout to show ordinary people-in particular the white working class - in the most negative and unattractive light'. I loved the Royal Family!!! Don't ban it!!! |
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| Elina wrote: | | 14. Favour of traditional architecture over modern. That's a bit boring... |
Modern Architecture is shite compared to traditional, hence the reason Britain's tourist trade is so high. Only the youth of today, with their ignorant, socialist, educations see modern art and architecture better than traditional. Then again they'd see a lump of shite on the ground as art and it explains it all really.
| Elina wrote: | | 15. Capital punishment |
There's been a big discussion on it and I suggest you go back some pages and have a look for yourself. If the majority want it then they should get it. Time for a referendum I think.
| Elina wrote: | | 16. 'Entire families financially responsible for the cost of crimes committed by one of their members'. |
This will promote better discipline from parents who are currently letting their children run wild. The BNP wold also bring back parental and teacher discipline. Bottom line, you have a kid, you're responsible for them up to the age of 16. If they commit crime, it's your fault for not disciplining and bringing them up properly. Parents used to bring up children properly, however the latter years of Tory and all the years of Labour have destroyed discipline and respect amongst the young.
| Elina wrote: | | 17. 'Adults in a community may, on rare occasions, clip badly behaved kids around the ear'. NEVER. There is no valid reason for hitting or 'clipping' a child. EVER. |
Oh shut the fuck up. You badly need more than a slap for your continuing ignorance. Maybe it would knock some severely needed sense into you, you fucking eejit.
| Elina wrote: | | I'd assume that, this being community, there'll be the occasional personal insult but could people who want to vote BNP please explain their rational? All this just seems so far fetched/ racist/ plain stupid to me. I'd like to know why people would vote for this? |
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Well considering you aren't British the BNP really shouldn't concern you. You are living in Britain as a foreigner and therefore should respect our laws and cultures or else fuck off. I've never voted for the BNP but there needs to be a serious change and that change will only come under the BNP and not the LabLibCon alliance. |
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bangon
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| Orwellian_Logic wrote: | | Elina wrote: | As a foreigner, I'm curious about BNP (one of the many oddities I've found on this island of yours). I found their 2005 manifesto on the net and decided to have a look. I had to stop after 15min, was laughing too hard..
It's ridiculous stuff!!!!! |
I presume from your post no 10 and your ending comment "eejits" that you are Irish? Well, I just have to state the IRA and them not wanting to be controlled by 'another' culture, the english, so when it comes to Nationalism, there are none moreso than the Irish.
| Elina wrote: | | 1. Under the title 'Democracy' -cutting away censorship. WTF? Sounds like they're pissed off about not being allowed to print racist material.'We would repeal the Race Relations Acts and all other restriction on free speech'. Looks like I was right... |
So you don't want freedom of speech then?
| Elina wrote: | | 2. 'Restore to the legitimate and law-abiding sportsmen the right to possess and shoot all the varieties of weapon they were entitled to before -97'. Why??? I'm all for strict gun control |
I remember reading somehwere that taking guns away from law abiding citizens means removing their only defence. However in this case the removal of guns from people of gun clubs did not reduce gun crime but in fact reduced one of the sports we were actually good at in competing in - Shooting.
| Elina wrote: | | 3. 'Beginning by increasing the funding of exisiting border controls by 500%'. WTF |
And what is wrong with an increase in Border control? By doing so you are stopping the arrival of drugs and illegal immigrants, people trafficking who are brought over to work as slaves and prostitutes. You will also reduce gun import and export as well. Simply said they will apply the role of the Royal Navy much more than they currently are in the defence and well being of this country.
| Elina wrote: | | 4. Acknowledge legitimate refugees but ask them to go to the nearest country. UK would in that case only accept refugees from (for example) France and Denmark. FFS... Why don't they just say that they're banning refugees??? |
Wrong, a refugee is someone who flees their country for fear of persecution. Therefore there is no need to travel half way across the world, passing many safe countries. The reason people do is for economic reasons and to live off of our benefits systems. many of the refugees who flee third world countries have actually committed attrocities and are fleeing persecution from those whom they have persecuted against. Why should we help them. The neighbouring countries should help them and quite rightly so. Britain cannot become a refuge for every person not happy living where they are. If those people aren't happy then they should so something about it, ie, revolution. It's not Britain's problem.
| Elina wrote: | | 5. Life time ban on people who have violated entry or immigration laws. I guess thousands of aussies wouldn't be able to work in the UK (in highly skilled jobs) if they over staid their holiday visa one summer when touring Europe. Sounds a bit extreme... |
by violating entry that means not coming into the country without permission and only in Britain can you get into this country regardless of crimes committed in the past or visa problems. Every country has strict controls on entry, no moreso than Oz. They are being no different than any other country.
| Elina wrote: | | 6. 'Islamic terrorists living in the country plotting mass murder in Britain illustrate the link between illegal immigration and terrorism'. No it doesn't!!! Shoe bomber was British... |
You are a fucking plank aren't you? An Islamic terrorist is an Islamist and could be from anywhere. There is a growing number of Islamists who are born in the UK planning terrorist activities in the UK and Europe. Go around University and College campuses in the UK and you'll see them openly attracting more mulsims to their cause.
| Elina wrote: | | 9. Skilled and key workers can stay as long as they demonstrate they are contributing to society and until BNP have had time to train British personnel to replace them. WTF??? Don't you want brain surgeons and nurses??? Who in their right mind would stay in a highly skilled job if the government said they are in the process of replacing them. You'll have mass migration of all the skilled people looking for jobs elsewhere. Stupid |
There are very few foreigners in skilled positions in the UK. In fact you will also find that there are more doctors and brain surgeons of UK origin leaving the UK to work abroad because they can't get work in the UK for 'race relation' reasons.
| Elina wrote: | | 10. Linking behavioural tendencies directly to race. Erm.. no... that's not how it happens... your race does not contribute to your behaviour. Eejits |
The more unskilled Africans from war torn countries come to the UK the more violence they bring with them. Race does contribute to violence, look at Africa. Education does play a big part and Africa certainly needs alot of that.
| Elina wrote: | | 11. Abolishing multiculturalism. Where will you get your curries? |
Fool. Multiculturalism will always exist but all other cultures will be subordinate to the main culture of the country. There will always be curry houses, Kebab shops and all other kinds of Cultural establishments in the UK, just not at the large rate they currently are.
| Elina wrote: | | 12. 'We would abolish all laws against racial discrimination in employment and the government bodies associated with enforcing them'. So you're saying it's ok to be racist at work? Argh... |
Yet again your stupidity grows. The racial descrimination laws promote racial discrimination in the workplace. Considering the ratio of white people in the UK to ethnic minorities it means that for every 10 people going for a job one would be ethnic. Therefore it means that the racial discrimination laws will mean that a workplace has to have an x amount of ethnics in it's workforce and completely throws out the skill level of the workforce. A person should get a job on skill level not colour of skin. ken Livingstone wants 33% of teachers in London to be Black 33% White and 33% white. This is prejudice as it stops good teachers from getting jobs because of their skin colour and moreso creates more segregation in society than integration.
| Elina wrote: | | 13. They want to teach manners which I am all for! Can't believe I'm agreeing though.. However: 'Soap operas should seek to portray slightly higher than real-life behaviour as the norm, rather than settingout to show ordinary people-in particular the white working class - in the most negative and unattractive light'. I loved the Royal Family!!! Don't ban it!!! |
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| Elina wrote: | | 14. Favour of traditional architecture over modern. That's a bit boring... |
Modern Architecture is shite compared to traditional, hence the reason Britain's tourist trade is so high. Only the youth of today, with their ignorant, socialist, educations see modern art and architecture better than traditional. Then again they'd see a lump of shite on the ground as art and it explains it all really.
| Elina wrote: | | 15. Capital punishment |
There's been a big discussion on it and I suggest you go back some pages and have a look for yourself. If the majority want it then they should get it. Time for a referendum I think.
| Elina wrote: | | 16. 'Entire families financially responsible for the cost of crimes committed by one of their members'. |
This will promote better discipline from parents who are currently letting their children run wild. The BNP wold also bring back parental and teacher discipline. Bottom line, you have a kid, you're responsible for them up to the age of 16. If they commit crime, it's your fault for not disciplining and bringing them up properly. Parents used to bring up children properly, however the latter years of Tory and all the years of Labour have destroyed discipline and respect amongst the young.
| Elina wrote: | | 17. 'Adults in a community may, on rare occasions, clip badly behaved kids around the ear'. NEVER. There is no valid reason for hitting or 'clipping' a child. EVER. |
Oh shut the fuck up. You badly need more than a slap for your continuing ignorance. Maybe it would knock some severely needed sense into you, you fucking eejit.
| Elina wrote: | | I'd assume that, this being community, there'll be the occasional personal insult but could people who want to vote BNP please explain their rational? All this just seems so far fetched/ racist/ plain stupid to me. I'd like to know why people would vote for this? |
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Well considering you aren't British the BNP really shouldn't concern you. You are living in Britain as a foreigner and therefore should respect our laws and cultures or else fuck off. I've never voted for the BNP but there needs to be a serious change and that change will only come under the BNP and not the LabLibCon alliance.[/quote]
Are you the member of BNP???
The reason I don't support them and many that have a brain don't is that they are a racist party and backward thinking... |
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Orwellian_Logic
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 7:40 pm Post subject: Re: The BNP are not a racist party... |
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| bangon wrote: | | Orwellian_Logic wrote: | | bangon wrote: |
I don't see and cannot believe how a white man treated to be a 2nd class citizen?!! There are still amazing high racisim in this country but its still discriminate non-white people!!! Some English people I've come across are mixed, some are good and ok but some are arrogrant yet ignorant wanting to belittle some non-white to make them feel more important, and those English people i dislike most. They are just jealous when they see a non-white person doing better than them driving a better car... don't you agree? |
Bangon, where are you from?
It seems from your grammar that you are certainly not of these Isles. When it comes to Britain, it's culture and it's people then you, my friend have no platform from which to voice your opinion. I suppose you to be Eastern European and so I suggest that if changes were to be made in the UK then it should be up to those of British origin to decide and not those not of British origin.
I'm not being rude but, really you're life a fish out of water on this one, as it really has nothing to do with you. You live in Britain I presume and therefore are a foreigner and part of the minority. Accept that, repsect that and get on with your life as I find foreigners in the UK telling us how we should live and accept 'foreigners' to be a real pain in the neck, who should shut up and mind their own business. |
So are you telling cos I'm a foreigner I have no right to voice and should be a 2nd class citizen??? |
In a word yes Bangon. You are not a British citizen and therefore the overall wants of the majority(British) greatly outnumber the needs of the few(foreigners/you)
You should not have a voice as by coming to the UK you should be integrating into our society and culture and learning our ways of life, our histories and our traditions. If you object to that then i think you are in the wrong country and need to go home where you can learn about your culture, history and traditions. Don't you? |
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