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Evangelica
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 Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:58 pm Post subject: I hate my landlord! I want to kill him! |
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| I was done badly by my ex-landlord in the past. He did a joint and severally liable contact for me, I did not know what it was when I signed it. Then one tennant moved out and I was in big shit! I am so going to kill him!! |
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Bluey
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Speak to Shelter about your situation. They have info on their website about joint contracts but also have a free tenant advice line.
They may advise you that your beef is with your flat-mate and advise you how to seek redress through civil means with them - for example, by taking them through the small claims court process of a local HM Court. See the moneyclaim online site for info about how that works and if it applies but speak to Shelter first to save you any wasted time and effort.
Or they may be able to advise you whether certain elements of your contract are not enforceable and how you can take action against the landlord.
Or they may advise you that it is up to you to understand the terms of the contract before you sign it, that anything you signed is legally binding and that the landlord isn't actually required to educate you about what a joint tenancy is, that it's up to you to research the implication of any legally binding contract that you sign.
A joint tenancy agreement is very common so that the tenants share the financial risk among each other instead of ripping off the landlord and making them responsible for arrears instead of the tenants that enjoy the accommodation and then scarper without serving notice, in arrears, and leaving a damaged property behind, for example.
Let the forum know how you get on.
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Evangelica
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| I have moved out of that shit hole and moved on with my life! I still want to kill my ex-landlord and burn his house! |
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Bluey
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| Evangelica wrote: | | I have ...moved on with my life! I still want to kill my ex-landlord and burn his house! |
Evidently not. |
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Evangelica
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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QMS
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| Evangelica wrote: | | Trust me, I have |
To be fair, all my previous contracts, including this one, have been joint tenancy agreements and this has always been obvious from what we've signed. These are standard WHSmith contracts too. My advice is ALWAYS to read what you're signing. That way, what has happened to the original poster is unlikely to happen. If it's a shared house (i.e. no individual locks on the bedroom doors) then chances are you're all in it together. |
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therealcleo
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 9:13 am Post subject: Re: I hate my landlord! I want to kill him! |
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| Evangelica wrote: | | I was done badly by my ex-landlord in the past. He did a joint and severally liable contact for me, I did not know what it was when I signed it. Then one tennant moved out and I was in big shit! I am so going to kill him!! |
That's really not his problem, it's yours. It's up to you to make sure you understand what you're signing. Why would you sign something you didn't understand? A quick check on wikipedia or google would have told you what it was. |
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Evangelica
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:17 pm Post subject: Re: I hate my landlord! I want to kill him! |
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| therealcleo wrote: | | Evangelica wrote: | | I was done badly by my ex-landlord in the past. He did a joint and severally liable contact for me, I did not know what it was when I signed it. Then one tennant moved out and I was in big shit! I am so going to kill him!! |
That's really not his problem, it's yours. It's up to you to make sure you understand what you're signing. Why would you sign something you didn't understand? A quick check on wikipedia or google would have told you what it was. |
It is his and my problem when I have been tricked. This is called misrepresentation! I contracted for a room, not a house. Everything advertised screamed " A Room".
In my defence, I am not a solicitor or barrister, I wouldn't know what "joint and severally liable" means. If you ask 10 lay people, chances are 9 of them haven't got a clue! I'm have not been afforded the opportunity to do a google search when I literally have moved all my things into the room before I saw the contract and the landlord only presented me with contract after and failed to highlight the terms, deliberately of course. Am I supposed to say "I can't sign the contact before I haven't consulted google or wikipedia and tonight I will stay in a hotel?"
You sound like one of those arsehole landlords who are totally evil. I hope you have a nice life......NOT.
Up yours! |
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Evangelica
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| QMS wrote: | | Evangelica wrote: | | Trust me, I have |
To be fair, all my previous contracts, including this one, have been joint tenancy agreements and this has always been obvious from what we've signed. These are standard WHSmith contracts too. My advice is ALWAYS to read what you're signing. That way, what has happened to the original poster is unlikely to happen. If it's a shared house (i.e. no individual locks on the bedroom doors) then chances are you're all in it together. |
I suggest you see below. I have in the past, allways been renting only a room. My contact in the past was exclusively for "A ROOM".
I went to the house to see "the room" and everything explained to me was about "the room". Joint tenancy may work if you move in with friends, it will never work with a bunch of losers as some of them may not even have a job (I learnt this from the same house). I accept I have been too trusting and I will NEVER EVER trust landlords.
Anyway, I have got my revenge against the landlord and I am not going to post it here....He is evil, I can be more evil.....This is why I said above, I have moved on....hahahahaha |
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QMS
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:29 pm Post subject: Re: I hate my landlord! I want to kill him! |
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| Evangelica wrote: | | therealcleo wrote: | | Evangelica wrote: | | I was done badly by my ex-landlord in the past. He did a joint and severally liable contact for me, I did not know what it was when I signed it. Then one tennant moved out and I was in big shit! I am so going to kill him!! |
That's really not his problem, it's yours. It's up to you to make sure you understand what you're signing. Why would you sign something you didn't understand? A quick check on wikipedia or google would have told you what it was. |
It is his and my problem when I have been tricked. This is called misrepresentation! I contracted for a room, not a house. Everything advertised screamed " A Room".
In my defence, I am not a solicitor or barrister, I wouldn't know what "joint and severally liable" means. If you ask 10 lay people, chances are 9 of them haven't got a clue! I'm have not been afforded the opportunity to do a google search when I literally have moved all my things into the room before I saw the contract and the landlord only presented me with contract after and failed to highlight the terms, deliberately of course. Am I supposed to say "I can't sign the contact before I haven't consulted google or wikipedia and tonight I will stay in a hotel?"
You sound like one of those arsehole landlords who are totally evil. I hope you have a nice life......NOT.
Up yours! |
Yes, an attitude like that is really going to win you loads of friends.
You weren't tricked. You were just too dumb / lazy to read the contract properly. I'm confident that if you asked 10 people on the street what "joint and severally liable" meant, 9 of them would get it right. The clues are there... what do you think the word "joint" actually means?
I've lived in tons of house shares and have read loads of the ads on Gumtree and the advert you describe is pretty standard. I've never come across a house share where everyone has had their own individual contracts. Maybe it does exist but it's rare. If you have your own contract, then chances are you're living in a bedsit.
Also, when someone else moved out, why didn't you just advertise for someone new to move in? With the help of the landlord / person moving out of course. Again, this is pretty basic and standard stuff in the rental market.
Basically, you screwed up, and now you want someone to blame. But I'm sorry - the only person at fault here is you. |
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therealcleo
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As I said, you don't have to be legally qualified, you just have to look it up.
it is not a shared problem, it is yours. You signed your name, not fully understanding what you were signing.
Why did you come on here? Did you think everyone would agre with you?
I don't have any time for imbeciles who legally bind themselves without taking the time to read and understand what they are signing, when a quick search on google or the like will tell them all they need to know. |
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QMS
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| Evangelica wrote: | | QMS wrote: | | Evangelica wrote: | | Trust me, I have |
To be fair, all my previous contracts, including this one, have been joint tenancy agreements and this has always been obvious from what we've signed. These are standard WHSmith contracts too. My advice is ALWAYS to read what you're signing. That way, what has happened to the original poster is unlikely to happen. If it's a shared house (i.e. no individual locks on the bedroom doors) then chances are you're all in it together. |
I suggest you see below. I have in the past, allways been renting only a room. My contact in the past was exclusively for "A ROOM".
I went to the house to see "the room" and everything explained to me was about "the room". Joint tenancy may work if you move in with friends, it will never work with a bunch of losers as some of them may not even have a job (I learnt this from the same house). I accept I have been too trusting and I will NEVER EVER trust landlords.
Anyway, I have got my revenge against the landlord and I am not going to post it here....He is evil, I can be more evil.....This is why I said above, I have moved on....hahahahaha |
If these people were such losers, why would you want to move in with them? Did you even meet them? And even if you didn't, when it came to signing the contract and you saw the other names there, surely any sensible person would have thought "hang on, this is a joint tenancy agreement" or at the very least questioned it?
As much as Penant can p*ss me off from time to time, this is a prime example of what he talks about! |
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therealcleo
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I totally agree, QMS.
Pennant does spout some shite on here, but this girl is a prime example of the sort of people he is, no doubt, trying to avoid dealing with! |
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QMS
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| therealcleo wrote: | I totally agree, QMS.
Pennant does spout some shite on here, but this girl is a prime example of the sort of people he is, no doubt, trying to avoid dealing with! |
I'd love to know what her revenge is going to be! Burning poo through the letter box anyone...?  |
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therealcleo
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Pushing poo through someone's letterbox would be funny
I wouldn't recommend anyone putting anything aflame through the door, though - someone was sent to prison for manslaughter, after killing three people when she pushed a burning rag through her husband's mistress' front door. best avoided, I think. |
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Evangelica
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| therealcleo wrote: | As I said, you don't have to be legally qualified, you just have to look it up.
it is not a shared problem, it is yours. You signed your name, not fully understanding what you were signing.
Why did you come on here? Did you think everyone would agre with you?
I don't have any time for imbeciles who legally bind themselves without taking the time to read and understand what they are signing, when a quick search on google or the like will tell them all they need to know. |
Why are you writing in this forum if you didn't have time. Judging by the number of posts you wrote on Gumtree, you obviously have too much time and no life! By the way, Gumtree is open for everyone if your f@*ked up head hasn't noticed! I write what I want and I come here whenever I want to. If you are not happy, try ban me! Stupid m*@therf@#ker! "GET A LIFE!" |
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AlterOfShame
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Maybe your housemates moved out to get away from you! 
By the way, I presume you didnt expect to make use of the kitchen/bathroom when you rented only this "room" then?
Because, you cant have assumed that the faries at the bottom of the garden were liable for it, now can you?  |
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Evangelica
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 10:06 pm Post subject: Re: I hate my landlord! I want to kill him! |
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| QMS wrote: | | Evangelica wrote: | | therealcleo wrote: | | Evangelica wrote: | | I was done badly by my ex-landlord in the past. He did a joint and severally liable contact for me, I did not know what it was when I signed it. Then one tennant moved out and I was in big shit! I am so going to kill him!! |
That's really not his problem, it's yours. It's up to you to make sure you understand what you're signing. Why would you sign something you didn't understand? A quick check on wikipedia or google would have told you what it was. |
It is his and my problem when I have been tricked. This is called misrepresentation! I contracted for a room, not a house. Everything advertised screamed " A Room".
In my defence, I am not a solicitor or barrister, I wouldn't know what "joint and severally liable" means. If you ask 10 lay people, chances are 9 of them haven't got a clue! I'm have not been afforded the opportunity to do a google search when I literally have moved all my things into the room before I saw the contract and the landlord only presented me with contract after and failed to highlight the terms, deliberately of course. Am I supposed to say "I can't sign the contact before I haven't consulted google or wikipedia and tonight I will stay in a hotel?"
You sound like one of those arsehole landlords who are totally evil. I hope you have a nice life......NOT.
Up yours! |
Yes, an attitude like that is really going to win you loads of friends.
You weren't tricked. You were just too dumb / lazy to read the contract properly. I'm confident that if you asked 10 people on the street what "joint and severally liable" meant, 9 of them would get it right. The clues are there... what do you think the word "joint" actually means?
I've lived in tons of house shares and have read loads of the ads on Gumtree and the advert you describe is pretty standard. I've never come across a house share where everyone has had their own individual contracts. Maybe it does exist but it's rare. If you have your own contract, then chances are you're living in a bedsit.
Also, when someone else moved out, why didn't you just advertise for someone new to move in? With the help of the landlord / person moving out of course. Again, this is pretty basic and standard stuff in the rental market.
Basically, you screwed up, and now you want someone to blame. But I'm sorry - the only person at fault here is you. |
You don't even know what you are talking about! Judging by the amount of messages you have posted and length of your messages, it seems that you are a big loser with no life outside the internet world. I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you two retarded imbeciles, yes that includes you Q fucking MS. HAVE A NICE LIFE! AND GET REAL!!! |
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Evangelica
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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| AlterOfShame wrote: | Maybe your housemates moved out to get away from you!
By the way, I presume you didnt expect to make use of the kitchen/bathroom when you rented only this "room" then?
Because, you cant have assumed that the faries at the bottom of the garden were liable for it, now can you? |
It was "A HOUSEMATE", not housemates. And he moved because he fell out with the landlord. Understood? You don't even know what you are talking about and you are making stupid comments, oh right, that's because you are a retard! |
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AlterOfShame
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I'm still not clear, Eva, on what other parts of the house you were able to use.
I mean, if you rented the room only, then did you not use any other part of the house? |
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QMS
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 10:42 pm Post subject: Re: I hate my landlord! I want to kill him! |
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| Evangelica wrote: | | You don't even know what you are talking about! Judging by the amount of messages you have posted and length of your messages, it seems that you are a big loser with no life outside the internet world. I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you two retarded imbeciles, yes that includes you Q fucking MS. HAVE A NICE LIFE! AND GET REAL!!! |
Hi Eva,
Clearly your maths skills are about the same as your reading skills. You've been here 3 days and posted 21 messages. That's an average of 7 per day. I've been here 1 year and 4 months (so let's say 480 days). My 908 posts works out at an average of just under 2 per day.
So tell me, my slightly slow friend, who is the loser here?
P.S To help you further, as you're clearly very naive when it comes to living your life, I think you should look at the flats / bedsits / studios section if you want to live in solitude. But I bet you won't find anything as cheap as the "room" you rented previously.
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AlterOfShame
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| I still want to know who she thought was responsible for the rest of the place, if it wasnt her! |
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Ja5per
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Seriously, though, where is Penant when you need him!? Typical bloody Landlord.
| Quote: | | I wouldn't recommend anyone putting anything aflame through the door, though - someone was sent to prison for manslaughter, after killing three people when she pushed a burning rag through her husband's mistress' front door. best avoided, I think. |
When did you get out? [sorry, Cleo. Cheap shot, I know] |
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QMS
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| AlterOfShame wrote: | I'm still not clear, Eva, on what other parts of the house you were able to use.
I mean, if you rented the room only, then did you not use any other part of the house? |
She didn't wash and ate take-aways all the time. That's why her housemate (because yes Eva, you rented a room in a HOUSE SHARE) moved out - to escape from the stench! 
If only she hadn't been too lazy or stupid to read the contract, then she wouldn't be so angry now! |
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QMS
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| AlterOfShame wrote: | | I still want to know who she thought was responsible for the rest of the place, if it wasnt her! |
She knows fine well this is all her own fault. She won't admit it, but I bet your life she reads her next contract properly |
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