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k_lifter

Joined: 25 May 2006 Posts: 7031 Location: Don't watch tv - the mind has no firewall.
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:17 pm Post subject: Bush's Martial Law Plan Is So Shocking |
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Even Congress Can't See it.
President Bush's post-terror attack martial law plan is so shocking that even sitting members of Congress and Homeland Security officials are barred from viewing it, another example of executive über alles and a chilling portent of what is to come as constant reminders of the inevitability of terror attacks reverberate. Congressman Peter DeFazio (D - OR) was asked by his constituents to see what was contained within the classified portion of the White House's plan for operating the government after a terrorist attack.
Since DeFazio also sits on the Homeland Security Committee and has clearance to view classified material, the request would have appeared to be routine, but the Congressman was unceremoniously denied all access to view the documents, and the White House wouldn't even give an excuse as to why he was barred. "I just can't believe they're going to deny a member of Congress the right of reviewing how they plan to conduct the government of the United States after a significant terrorist attack," DeFazio told the Oregonian on Friday.
"We're talking about the continuity of the government of the United States of America," DeFazio says. "I would think that would be relevant to any member of Congress, let alone a member of the Homeland Security Committee."
"Maybe the people who think there's a conspiracy out there are right," DeFazio concluded.
The article also quotes Norm Ornstein, a legal scholar who studies government continuity at the conservative American Enterprise Institute, who told the paper he "cannot think of one good reason" to deny access to a member of Congress who serves on the Homeland Security Committee. I'Il find it inexplicable and probably reflective of the usual, knee-jerk overextension of executive power that we see from this White House," Ornstein said.
The only plausible reason DeFazio was barred access to the documents is that the plans for a post-terror attack continuity of government scenario are so abhorrent that to reveal their true nature would cause a public outcry and lead to a major repeal of what is contained in the documents.
Congressman Peter DeFazio (D - OR)
What we already about Bush's recent spate of executive orders, and in particular PDD 51, is bad enough - the provisions outline preparations for the implementation of open martial law in the event of a declared national emergency. New legislation signed on May 9, 2007, declares that in the event of a "catastrophic event", the President can take total control over the government and the country, bypassing all other levels of government at the state, federal, local, territorial and tribal levels, and thus ensuring total unprecedented dictatorial power.
It is important to understand that, although these powers have been on the books for previous presidents, Bush is the first to openly brag of the fact that he will utilize them and officially become the supreme emperor of the United States in the aftermath of a catastrophe that the government itself has said will happen on innumerable occasions. According to columnist and author Jerome Corsi, the power grab assures that "The president can declare to the office of the presidency powers usually assumed by dictators to direct any and all government and business activities until the emergency is declared over."
Also in May, it was reported that a high-level group of government and military officials has been quietly preparing an emergency survival program named "The Day After," which would effectively end civil liberties and implement a system of martial law in the event of a catastrophic attack on a U.S. city. Last year we also exposed the existence of a nationwide FEMA program which is training Pastors and other religious representatives to become secret police enforcers who teach their congregations to "obey the government" in preparation for a declaration of martial law, property and firearm seizures, and forced relocation.
The documents that Congressman DeFazio was blocked from seeing likely interlock with both these programs and detail the overarching agenda to effectively nullify what's left of the U.S. Constitution and firmly ensconce George W. Bush as a supreme dictator. Only by putting enough pressure on the media and in turn the White House to be transparent about what the secret martial law provisions are can we lead an effort to repeal them before the next terror attack, whether real or manufactured, takes place. |
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englishman

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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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too long
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in america
cant be arsed to read |
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k_lifter

Joined: 25 May 2006 Posts: 7031 Location: Don't watch tv - the mind has no firewall.
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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| englishman wrote: | too long
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I'm sure you must of made it a few lines in english before your ADD kicked in. Scary stuff hey? Talk of the inevitable "terror attack" on the US, and then Bush making himself a dictator when marsial law is called....No worries, best bury your head in the sand, it'll be ok there. |
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BigFatLiar

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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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| englishman wrote: | too long
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cant be arsed to read |
You just can't help yourself can you?!  |
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englishman

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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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| BigFatLiar wrote: | | englishman wrote: | too long
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You just can't help yourself can you?!  |
nope  |
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k_lifter

Joined: 25 May 2006 Posts: 7031 Location: Don't watch tv - the mind has no firewall.
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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| BigFatLiar wrote: | | englishman wrote: | too long
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You just can't help yourself can you?!  |
Denial is a powerfull psychological state that causes people to do some stupid things. Why make a point of telling someone you didn't read their post? |
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englishman

Joined: 17 Jun 2006 Posts: 22679
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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| k_lifter wrote: | | BigFatLiar wrote: | | englishman wrote: | too long
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You just can't help yourself can you?!  |
Denial is a powerfull psychological state that causes people to do some stupid things. Why make a point of telling someone you didn't read their post? |
because its way too long for this type of forum
because its the same old same old
because being the type of forum it is most people couldnt give a monkeys about conspiracies
because because because  |
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k_lifter

Joined: 25 May 2006 Posts: 7031 Location: Don't watch tv - the mind has no firewall.
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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How do you know what people find interesting? You speak for all people do you?
AND, it's not a conspiracy english. It's a fact. |
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Asiya

Joined: 07 Jun 2007 Posts: 4011
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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That is very scarey, forced relocation...that sounds sinister...
I imagine if Englishman had bothered to read, he would be reading a partial (because the crux is hidden) blueprint of the uk for the future.
Thanks k! |
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Ploppy

Joined: 08 Jul 2007 Posts: 1661
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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*sigh*
have you guys ever watched "Yes Minister" and "Yes Prime Minister" at all? |
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Ploppy

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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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or read the books even?
*Ploppy realising that popular tv referneces make him seem ignorant* |
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Asiya

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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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hey you are allowed tv you know...in small doses! I found it, dull. sorry! I was way too young when it was being aired ooh a lifetime ago...hehe
anyway, your point was? has serious face on now... |
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Ploppy

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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Asiya wrote: | hey you are allowed tv you know...in small doses! I found it, dull. sorry! I was way too young when it was being aired ooh a lifetime ago...hehe
anyway, your point was? has serious face on now... |
You should have a look now!
"Everything old is new again" - thats my point!
Governments would like to do many a thing. If you watched the show though, you'd see that the term "government" is misleading - they are very relevant to the way the world (and especially the Uk) works.
I'd strongly suggest that people should watch them - and as a plus, ther are some genuinly very funny episodes! |
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Ploppy

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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Humphrey: Nuclear weapons are there to make people believe that Britain is defended.
Bernard: The Russians?
Humphrey: No, not the Russians, the British. The Russians know it's not. |
hehe!
Like today, i suppose, and all this talk of "keeping people scared of terrorism"
| Quote: | Head of MI5: We can't have unfounded, arrogant press speculation. That's the last thing we want.
Hacker: Even if it's accurate?
Head of MI5: Oh, especially if it's accurate. |
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Ploppy

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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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Haha! It's such a brilliant show! And, so relevant to today!
| Quote: | Bernard: You only need to know things on a need to know basis.
Humphrey: I need to know everything. How else can I judge whether or not I need to know it?
Bernard: So you need to know things, even when you don't need to know them. You need to know them not because you need to know them, but because you need to know whether or not you need to know. And if you don't need to know you still need to know so that you know that there was no need to know.
Humphrey: Yes! |
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Asiya

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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Ploppy wrote: | | Quote: | Humphrey: Nuclear weapons are there to make people believe that Britain is defended.
Bernard: The Russians?
Humphrey: No, not the Russians, the British. The Russians know it's not. |
hehe!
Like today, i suppose, and all this talk of "keeping people scared of terrorism" yes...exactly! | Quote: | Head of MI5: We can't have unfounded, arrogant press speculation. That's the last thing we want.
Hacker: Even if it's accurate?
Head of MI5: Oh, especially if it's accurate. |
| yes, I see what you mean! |
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Asiya

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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Ploppy wrote: | Haha! It's such a brilliant show! And, so relevant to today!
| Quote: | Bernard: You only need to know things on a need to know basis.
Humphrey: I need to know everything. How else can I judge whether or not I need to know it?
Bernard: So you need to know things, even when you don't need to know them. You need to know them not because you need to know them, but because you need to know whether or not you need to know. And if you don't need to know you still need to know so that you know that there was no need to know.
Humphrey: Yes! |
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i couldn't agree more... at least be given the right to decide if it is relevant!  |
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Ploppy

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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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Seriously, one rainy afternoon, i'd rent a copy of some of them - you'd be amased at how relevant they are to todays events!
| Quote: | | Humphrey: It is characteristic of all committee discussions and decisions that every member has a vivid recollection of them, and that every member's recollection of them differs violently from every other member's recollection; consequently we accept the convention that the official decisions are those and only those which have been officially recorded in the minutes by the officials; from which it emerges with elegant inevitability, that any decision which has been officially reached would have been officially recorded in the minutes by the officials, and any decisions which is not recorded in the minutes by the officials has not been officially reached, even if one or more members believe they can recollect it; so in this particular case, if the decision would have been officially reached, it would have been recorded in the minutes by the officials and it isn't so it wasn't. |
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Ploppy

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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, so many funny, and relevant quotes!
The quality of the delivery was brilliant too!
A series that should be studied in schools, I feel!
| Quote: | Dorothy: An ordinary person wants to stop a major government policy. What can he do about it?
Hacker: Join the Civil Service! |
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Asiya

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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Ploppy wrote: | Oh, so many funny, and relevant quotes!
The quality of the delivery was brilliant too!
A series that should be studied in schools, I feel!
| Quote: | Dorothy: An ordinary person wants to stop a major government policy. What can he do about it?
Hacker: Join the Civil Service! |
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I can certainly see its relevance over 'soaps'like neighbours, imagine being able to get qualified to higher ed level in popular soaps?  |
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