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prole art threat
Joined: 05 Jan 2007
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 Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:22 am Post subject: The Liars' Club |
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For the beautiful truthseekers amonst us. Listen to one of the head writers of the Popular Mechanics hit piece get completely trounced by this clued up radio presenter.
http://www.yannone.org/audio/goyettepopmech.mp3
This is for genuine 9/11 truthseekers, the rest of you can keep suckling on the media sewerage pipe.
Let's keep this thread a 'brainwashed bimbo' freezone.
Cheers,
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LittleMinX
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| Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:31 am Post subject: |
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Fab stuff Prole!!!!  |
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Ploppy
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| Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:34 am Post subject: |
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| I notice how he (the radio presenter) does what all conspiracy people are good at - ignore things that don't fit hie theory, and looked at things that whilst relevant, are not the whole picture. |
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LittleMinX
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| Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:38 am Post subject: |
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| Ploppy wrote: | | I notice how he (the radio presenter) does what all conspiracy people are good at - ignore things that don't fit hie theory, and looked at things that whilst relevant, are not the whole picture. |
Ploppy, eat any blue pills lately? hehehe
pokes ploppy  |
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Ploppy
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| Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:40 am Post subject: |
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| LittleMinX wrote: | | Ploppy wrote: | | I notice how he (the radio presenter) does what all conspiracy people are good at - ignore things that don't fit hie theory, and looked at things that whilst relevant, are not the whole picture. |
Ploppy, eat any blue pills lately? hehehe
pokes ploppy |
i think that posting a raido interview that ignores inconvinient issues, really is more of a blue pill thing.
wonder what the interview-guy thought happened to all the passengers?  |
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LittleMinX
Joined: 08 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:48 am Post subject: |
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| Ploppy wrote: | | LittleMinX wrote: | | Ploppy wrote: | | I notice how he (the radio presenter) does what all conspiracy people are good at - ignore things that don't fit hie theory, and looked at things that whilst relevant, are not the whole picture. |
Ploppy, eat any blue pills lately? hehehe
pokes ploppy |
i think that posting a raido interview that ignores inconvinient issues, really is more of a blue pill thing.
wonder what the interview-guy thought happened to all the passengers? |
Beam me up scotty is what happened to them!!!
Look who knows all the answers?? The HUGE holes in the official story should be a MEGA concern for all of us. People should be asking questions!!! Whether you want to accept alternative theories or not Ploppy, are you actually confident that the official story is what actually happened? |
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imlooking
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| Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:48 am Post subject: 911 nonsense |
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| the author of the book is a cretin and a fool just listen to him speak its all um ar stutter stutter git it git it, just promoting a book that is a large crock of shit |
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Ploppy
Joined: 08 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:51 am Post subject: |
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| LittleMinX wrote: | | Ploppy wrote: | | LittleMinX wrote: | | Ploppy wrote: | | I notice how he (the radio presenter) does what all conspiracy people are good at - ignore things that don't fit hie theory, and looked at things that whilst relevant, are not the whole picture. |
Ploppy, eat any blue pills lately? hehehe
pokes ploppy |
i think that posting a raido interview that ignores inconvinient issues, really is more of a blue pill thing.
wonder what the interview-guy thought happened to all the passengers? |
Beam me up scotty is what happened to them!!!
Look who knows all the answers?? The HUGE holes in the official story should be a MEGA concern for all of us. People should be asking questions!!! Whether you want to accept alternative theories or not Ploppy, are you actually confident that the official story is what actually happened? |
that is two contradictory things there.
holes in the official story - i'm not surprised - in an event like that, everything is not going to be correctly sorted.
accepting the offical story? until a better one comes along that covers all the points, and not juts makes the easy scores, yes, i'll accept the general drift of it. i've said my feelings before on here. |
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Ploppy
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| Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:52 am Post subject: Re: 911 nonsense |
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| imlooking wrote: | | the author of the book is a cretin and a fool just listen to him speak its all um ar stutter stutter git it git it, just promoting a book that is a large crock of shit |
unlike the many many self-promoted books by the pro-conspricay guys, huh, that are becons of truth? |
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SGT Yarbles
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| Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:59 am Post subject: |
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| LittleMinX wrote: | | Ploppy wrote: | | LittleMinX wrote: | | Ploppy wrote: | | I notice how he (the radio presenter) does what all conspiracy people are good at - ignore things that don't fit hie theory, and looked at things that whilst relevant, are not the whole picture. |
Ploppy, eat any blue pills lately? hehehe
pokes ploppy |
i think that posting a raido interview that ignores inconvinient issues, really is more of a blue pill thing.
wonder what the interview-guy thought happened to all the passengers? |
Beam me up scotty is what happened to them!!!
Look who knows all the answers?? The HUGE holes in the official story should be a MEGA concern for all of us. People should be asking questions!!! Whether you want to accept alternative theories or not Ploppy, are you actually confident that the official story is what actually happened? |
You have to admit "What happened to all the passengers?" is a pretty damn good question |
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Ploppy
Joined: 08 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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| SGT Yarbles wrote: | | LittleMinX wrote: | | Ploppy wrote: | | LittleMinX wrote: | | Ploppy wrote: | | I notice how he (the radio presenter) does what all conspiracy people are good at - ignore things that don't fit hie theory, and looked at things that whilst relevant, are not the whole picture. |
Ploppy, eat any blue pills lately? hehehe
pokes ploppy |
i think that posting a raido interview that ignores inconvinient issues, really is more of a blue pill thing.
wonder what the interview-guy thought happened to all the passengers? |
Beam me up scotty is what happened to them!!!
Look who knows all the answers?? The HUGE holes in the official story should be a MEGA concern for all of us. People should be asking questions!!! Whether you want to accept alternative theories or not Ploppy, are you actually confident that the official story is what actually happened? |
You have to admit "What happened to all the passengers?" is a pretty damn good question |
no-one ever seems to mention that ... weird, huh? |
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LittleMinX
Joined: 08 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Ploppy wrote: | | LittleMinX wrote: | | Ploppy wrote: | | LittleMinX wrote: | | Ploppy wrote: | | I notice how he (the radio presenter) does what all conspiracy people are good at - ignore things that don't fit hie theory, and looked at things that whilst relevant, are not the whole picture. |
Ploppy, eat any blue pills lately? hehehe
pokes ploppy |
i think that posting a raido interview that ignores inconvinient issues, really is more of a blue pill thing.
wonder what the interview-guy thought happened to all the passengers? |
Beam me up scotty is what happened to them!!!
Look who knows all the answers?? The HUGE holes in the official story should be a MEGA concern for all of us. People should be asking questions!!! Whether you want to accept alternative theories or not Ploppy, are you actually confident that the official story is what actually happened? |
that is two contradictory things there.
holes in the official story - i'm not surprised - in an event like that, everything is not going to be correctly sorted.
accepting the offical story? until a better one comes along that covers all the points, and not juts makes the easy scores, yes, i'll accept the general drift of it. i've said my feelings before on here. |
Ok, fair enough Ploppy, you accept an official story until one comes along that covers all points. I understand that is how you see it. I guess the difference between me and you is I dont think we have to necessarily sit and wait for this "perfectly flawless" alternative story to fall straight into our lap. Getting up and out there, questioning life in all aspects, asking what ifs, reading, listening, talking, being consciously aware etc...and not being content to swallow blue pills:
Now, excuse my cut and paste but I think I need to clarify this whole blue pill red pill philosophy:
The question of which pill to take: The question is asking us whether reality, truth, is worth pursuing. The blue pill will leave us as we are, in a life consisting of habit, of things we believe we know. We are comfortable, we do not need truth to live. The blue pill symbolises commuting to work every day, or brushing your teeth.
The red pill is an unknown quantity. We are told that it can help us to find the truth. We don't know what that truth is, or even that the pill will help us to find it. The red pill symbolises risk, doubt and questioning. In order to answer the question, you can gamble your whole life and world on a reality you have never experienced.
So what are the advantages of taking the blue pill? As one of the characters in the film says, "ignorance is bliss" Essentially, if the truth is unknown, or you believe that you know the truth, what is there to question or worry about?
By accepting what we are told and experience life can be easier. There is the social pressure to 'fit in', which is immensely strong in most cultures. Questioning the status quo carries the danger of ostracism, possibly persecution. This aspect has a strong link with politics. People doing well under the current system are not inclined to look favourably on those who question the system. Morpheus says to Neo "You have to understand that many people are not ready to be unplugged, and many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system that they will fight to protect it."The system also has a place for you, an expected path to follow. This removes much of the doubt and discomfort experienced by a trailblazer.
Another argument on the side of the blue pill is how does anyone know that the status quo is not in fact the truth? The act of simply questioning does not infer a lack of validity on the questioned. Why not assume that your experience is innocent until proven guilty? Just accept everything?
So if the arguments for the blue pill are so numerous, why take the red pill? Why pursue truth even though it may be unpalatable and the journey to it hard? In the film, Neo risks death to escape the virtual reality and discovers a brutal reality from which he cannot return. As he discovers the trouble with asking questions is that the answers are not necessarily what you want to hear. Given the potential disadvantages of choosing the red pill, the motivation for discovering the truth must then be very strong. The film makes much of this point. Trinity says to Neo "It's the question that drives us, Neo." and Morpheus compares the motivation for Neo's search to "a splinter in your mind - driving you mad." The motivation for answering the question is obviously strong as the answer will help us to find the meaning in our lives.
What we are looking at here is the drive to answer a question, but the key to this is what drove the question in the first place. The asking of questions about our environment our experience and ourselves is fundamental to the human condition. Children ask a seemingly never-ending stream of questions from an early age. It is only with education and socialisation that some people stop asking these questions. However, we remain, as it were, hard-wired to enquire.
However, the choice over the red or blue pills is not solely a choice between whether to question or not, it is a personal choice on the method of discovering the truth.
HAHA so....bored you senseless with that? I guess Im saying its ok to take a blue pill if you feel it will help you find truth...the red pill isnt everyones preferred option. Its a mega rush though |
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Ploppy
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| Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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I wouldnt say that your post is an exact fit though. THe "red pill" isnt exactly the same as joining what is now a vast, self-serving industry based on miss-information and often out and out lies. It's a long way from a "truth movement" now.
What would I call the "Red Pill"? Say, those Country and Western girls, who were anti war, spoke out, and are still booed to this day. Their record sales are shite, and they dont get played on the US radio stations any more.
Or, the highschool girl in the US who was on a shcool basketball team, who tunred her back on the American flag, during a game, because she didnt support the war. This was when it was first started. She was slated - calls came in from all over the country for her to be dropped from the team, even didtcehd from the school.
Those to me are true "Red" pills. Jumping on a misguided by "edgy" anti-government bandwagon without looking at the cynical side of it, or the somnewhat illogical approach to "facts" and questionging (ie, if there is no clear, answer, lets assume it is the anti-government theory that is right - despite it not being a "best fit").
I myself will be buying a "National Trust" t-shirt, a ballon and riding the Picadilly line should the BAA get their injunction through the courts about protests.
That is more "red" than "blue" - but I dont imagine I'll see Prole there should it come to that. |
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maccy
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| Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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| im more incline to think that any one who glorifys the deaths of thousands of people (your avatar) hasent got anything sensible to say any way aye thats you p,a,t |
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LittleMinX
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| Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Ploppy wrote: | I wouldnt say that your post is an exact fit though. THe "red pill" isnt exactly the same as joining what is now a vast, self-serving industry based on miss-information and often out and out lies. It's a long way from a "truth movement" now.
What would I call the "Red Pill"? Say, those Country and Western girls, who were anti war, spoke out, and are still booed to this day. Their record sales are shite, and they dont get played on the US radio stations any more.
Or, the highschool girl in the US who was on a shcool basketball team, who tunred her back on the American flag, during a game, because she didnt support the war. This was when it was first started. She was slated - calls came in from all over the country for her to be dropped from the team, even didtcehd from the school.
Those to me are true "Red" pills. Jumping on a misguided by "edgy" anti-government bandwagon without looking at the cynical side of it, or the somnewhat illogical approach to "facts" and questionging (ie, if there is no clear, answer, lets assume it is the anti-government theory that is right - despite it not being a "best fit").
I myself will be buying a "National Trust" t-shirt, a ballon and riding the Picadilly line should the BAA get their injunction through the courts about protests.
That is more "red" than "blue" - but I dont imagine I'll see Prole there should it come to that. |
see I guess this is all down to interpretation plops. I dont think that someone questioning the official story automatically jumps on the bandwagon...speaking personally, I enjoy reading the links, I find them awesome and thought provoking and at the same time I dont then automatically accept them as whole truth- I see them as possibilities and I then like to read a bit more, explore a different angle. I dont have a problem with not having all the answers and a nice fool proof explanation, I have a problem with having a complacent mind that isnt willing to question. You dont have to accept the alternatives by saying this official story doesnt add up...and if you say something alternative is interesting and has some merit to it...that doesnt make you assume that its totally or even partially right. Its open conscious thinking and thinking outside of what we think is real. Its an experience worth having once in a while...and not only about these bigger political issues. I like that this forum includes people who are willing to think outside the box...and who's threads challenge people a little. But you can't please everyone. |
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prole art threat
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| Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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| maccy wrote: | | im more incline to think that any one who glorifys the deaths of thousands of people (your avatar) hasent got anything sensible to say any way aye thats you p,a,t |
How does my avatar glorify the deaths of thousands of people when it is a video of wtc7 that had no people in it? That's right, the third building that day to collapse into it's own footprint. Like magic.
Maccy, either keep up or shut up. |
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hmmmm_maybe
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| Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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Haha the Popular Mechanic guy Davin Coburn, seems to be at a loss to explain some of the issues. Listen how he doesn't sound confident discussing the CCTV footage held back by the authorities, the videos are being held as part of 'larger criminal investigations'.
Who are these Popular Mechanic guys, that were privy to photographs held by the FBI, Why is Popular Mechanics, (magazine publishers) allowed to see material not required to be kept for a 'on going criminal investigation'. But no one else is even allowed a peek!...
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2005/070305chertoffscousin.htm
"But the March 2005 issue of Popular Mechanics (PM) plumbs new depths of nepotism and Hearst-style "yellow journalism" with its cover story about 9/11. PM's senior researcher, 25-year-old Benjamin Chertoff, authored a propagandistic cover story entitled "Debunking 9/11 Lies" which seeks to discredit all independent 9/11 research that challenges the official version of events".
"But who is Benjamin Chertoff, the "senior researcher" at Popular Mechanics who is behind the article? American Free Press has learned that he is none other than a cousin of Michael Chertoff, the new Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security".. |
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Again prole, your work is never done. So much to tell. Keep it up.
I listened to that radio interveiw about 6 months ago but couldn't link it.
VERY REVEALING. (You wouldn't get that on the national news, not for all the money in the world.) |
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eVISCor8
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| Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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| prole art threat wrote: | | maccy wrote: | | im more incline to think that any one who glorifys the deaths of thousands of people (your avatar) hasent got anything sensible to say any way aye thats you p,a,t |
How does my avatar glorify the deaths of thousands of people when it is a video of wtc7 that had no people in it? That's right, the third building that day to collapse into it's own footprint. Like magic.
Maccy, either keep up or shut up. |
Prole - if you don't see you're doing the terrorists for them, then you must be doing it intentionally.
It's people like you that make me wish spontaneous combustion was a reality. |
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prole art threat
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 8:47 am Post subject: |
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| eVISCor8 wrote: | | prole art threat wrote: | | maccy wrote: | | im more incline to think that any one who glorifys the deaths of thousands of people (your avatar) hasent got anything sensible to say any way aye thats you p,a,t |
How does my avatar glorify the deaths of thousands of people when it is a video of wtc7 that had no people in it? That's right, the third building that day to collapse into it's own footprint. Like magic.
Maccy, either keep up or shut up. |
Prole - if you don't see you're doing the terrorists for them, then you must be doing it intentionally.
It's people like you that make me wish spontaneous combustion was a reality. |
The terrorists are the US Government and their military cronies. |
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