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Bluey
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| mcham45 wrote: |
Renumeration for politicians is a different debate entirely and is not relevant to this thread.
It is you that turned this into a debate!!
If I want to know what the price of Cheese is: I don't expect someone to explain to me how and where it was churned
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You asked me specifically to address your previous comments on John Prescott, telling me that I'd overlooked them. And now you challenge me about mentioning him when I complied (albeit to indicate why it offers little to justify witholding of taxes and why its irrelevant to the thread). |
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mcham45
Joined: 06 Jan 2007
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Location: Greenwich London
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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Did I ask you specifially to address anything? Read again. Thats your problem you steam in as if everything is a debate I mearly comented on the way you pick the bits out that suit yourself and then turn yourself into some sort of public figure
I don't give a shit about John Prescott which is why I held him in contempt
I don't give a shit about your views on capatalism
and finally: You are boring the pants of me........... All I can say is thank fuck these forums are in txt because I sure your voice is just as irritating |
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Bluey
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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You noted the following in an earlier post “Remember the people who tell us to pay these tax are the biggest fiddlers of all. Just look at John Prescott for example. Who pays for his jags and homes.” After I responded to your post without mentioning him you then posted “I noticed you overlooked my remark about John Prescott.”. Now after commenting on the omission that you actually brought to my attention you now say “I mearly comented on the way you pick the bits out that suit yourself”.
So I am damned if I ignore a point, damned if I go back to it when its brought to my attention and then damned again when I remind you that it was yourself that raised it as part of the argument to support why people shouldn’t feel obliged to pay taxes. It’s hardly picking and mixing on my part but contradictions on yours.
"[Your problem is that] you steam in as if everything is a debate"
Reminder about the definition of a forum: A medium of open discussion or voicing of ideas. It's what its supposed to do - stimulate debate. |
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mcham45
Joined: 06 Jan 2007
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Location: Greenwich London
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I am not discussing this anymore. You clearly do not listen or read what I or others are saying. Therefore the next time you wright something relating to this issue I will just ignore you. I haven't once made an arguement for not paying taxes. I have simply pointed out that we all at some times evade paying them. This includes yourself (Oh so Rightious One). I also pointed out that no one is whiter than white and this includes these so called politicians. note my reference to John Prescott. Did not ask for an explanation on the jumped up tosser. And as for this being a forum: well that is true? So answer the questions that are relevant and engage yourself in conversation with others who are impressed with your giberish. If not then start a topic yourself if you feel so strongly that way you will discuss with like minded people. If I want to know something I will ask and hopefully get an answer. Another use for forums! A simple question does not always have to turn into a debate does it?
Sometimes People just want a simple answer to a simple question. Is that too much to ask? (watch this space) or must you always have the fucking last words
You sound like you need to get your leg over Mate |
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tken4232
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| Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 9:46 am Post subject: use Blue Strike |
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| your best bet would be to go to bluestrike.com.au - post your details there and casual employers will start calling you. they're very good for those types of jobs. bettee than seek etc which are too formal |
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boyce
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| Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 9:51 pm Post subject: cash in hand |
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| Hello everybody, Im from a non eu country, used up my working holiday visa and am now on a visitors visa. Paid my taxes and all while working as a live in carer and had no prob doing so, high yes but so please was I just to have a decent paying job mind I did not. W Holiday visa expired and now on a visitors visa scratching for cash in hand work as I have no degree and have thus far been unable to find a way to work here legally. Go Home you fliping alian I hear the crowd say, fair play, I hear you, thing is im from SA where workl is very scarse and there is no such thibng as social wlfare etc, so my point? All I want to do is be able to work here legally, pay my taxes and save up to buy a piece of land, trave etc but vecause I cant get a work permit Im forced to work cash in hand thus not paying tax where as if I cold work legally Id pay the taxes no prob! Im not even interested in claiming benifits etc - just want a flipin job! |
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goosh
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boyce
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revers
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| JASON F wrote: | heres a tip, try paying tax like NORMAL PEOPLE
like me for example I work for the inland revenue.... want to give me your name and address?????? |
i'm an emigrant from poland. I came to the UK over 2 yrs ago and worked legal and paid my TAX regular as normal people. Now after I lost my job- my jobseeker's allowance has been refused cause your office has problems with my jobs records and they think that i'm not a resident - I was working with the recruitment agencies so i had changed my job many, many times and agencies as well. When I asked about tax refund I have been told that I have to sort my wage slips on my own because You've got problem with it- "too many records". So I've got one question for the people like You WTF r you doing in tax offices???!!! drink coffee?? So what for pay the taxes if i don't have any benefits from it? what You did to help me when I lost my job?! ahhh You stoped my working tax credit claim!!! and gave fuck all coz You have problems with my jobs records!!! i cant even get a crisis loan!!! so I have to do jobs cash in hand to survive because I've got my wife and my son over here as well. So plz don't tell me that I should pay the TAX!!! You just give the tax refunds and tax allowances for the people who rob your country like this 65yrs old woman she took from you couple of thousands or million pound over ten yrs !!!! so Kiss my polish ass |
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kennyg1961
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:18 pm Post subject: tip for cash in the hand |
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| don,t tell anyone that you,re doing it or they,ll grass you up. |
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Falderal
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:02 pm Post subject: Re: cash in hand |
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| revers wrote: | | So what for pay the taxes if i don't have any benefits from it? |
First, you do get benefit from the tax you pay, whether you realise it or not. Second, the tax system is not a savings account - you do not pay it to claim it back in the event of losing your job.
In terms of your tax refund, you can only claim a refund if you haven't used all your tax allowances. The rate of personal allowance is somewhere around £5,200. If you earned more than that in the tax year that you want to claim a refund for, then you've got nothing to claim back and you'll get £0. |
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yasmins
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..sometimes people need money!!!...the person who posted this is probably trying to get some money to buy some freaking food to eat...yes yes fine he should pay taxes and all that crap...but sometimes you never know what someone is running away from or the life they have had to live.
Alot of people are willing to give people a little cash for small jobs just by trying to help them out. I am an eu citizen but I lived in Canada for a few years, and I myself have worked for a few cash jobs just to get by while at university...such is life!
dont be so hard on people just because 'they arent supposed to live or work here'. maybe one day some of u will have to experience the same shit.  |
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crpntxt
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:14 pm Post subject: Re: cash in hand - any tips |
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| godons wrote: | hi guys any tips on getting cash in hand work.
would love to hear from you all.
cheers. |
Hi
People actually looking for advice here on cash-in-hand work, go to the end of this post 
Well, I think Yasmin above me had something relevant to say. In reply to everyone getting so worked up about tax evasion, I think the issue is not about tax at all - for most people (note I say most people) looking for cash-in-hand work, the situation is about getting an income fast. This means getting paid daily because even if you find work paid weekly, it generally takes 3 weeks before you see that money.
Simply to illustrate my point - I was in this situation about 2 months ago, when the bar I was working for (and paying tax through btw) went bankrupt. Among other things, they 'lost' my timesheets, so I said goodbye to that months salary of £800 and because I have no savings, said hello to unemployment and a negative bank balance. I found cash-in-hand work and after earning a shitty wage handing out leaflets for weeks now, I'm saving enough to last the few weeks I'll be broke after getting a tax-paying position.
I'll say this now for the folks grumbling about tax evaders - when the landlord is threatening to throw you on the streets, and you don't know how you'll afford food in a few days time, you simply don't give a flying fuck about paying taxes - so don't try and lay tax guilt-trips and make generalisations on unfortunate people - if you get laid-off, you might have enough saved to weather the storm of unemplyment, but many of us don't.
Now for some constructive advice:
(been there, done that and pulled through, so I'll give back to world, why not:)
--***In my opinion don't waste your time browsing through ads thousands of others are applying for - post ads in Gumtree 'work wanted' (but repost regularly as an ad on page 5 is useless) Tip: Portray yourself as hard-working, let them know why they should hire you, as the market is swamped due to immigration. Also explain your situation but ask for 'regular payment' as cash-in hand work is illegal 
--For flyering work, go to people holding up signs and holding out leaflets (central london eg Oxford str, Piccadily circus etc is swamped, so try residential high-streets) and ask them for advice (or even their job, as many of them are travellers leaving soon) Otherwise, what works is going around a neighborhood, and collecting all the leaflets/pamphlets in doors/postboxes and actually going to those companies asking if they need more workers
--This has been mentioned before, but night-club promoting found on Gumtree does work - I only did it for one night (It wasn't really for me, but can actually be fun for many people.) and I made £62 on my first night for 4 hours work.
--Look online for non-invasive (eg: psychological) trials through for example universities - they're always running, and although on average they only pay around £10 - £20 per study, every bit helps right?
--From experience: if you're desperate for a place to stay as well, go around to backpackers hostels (hostelworld.com lists hundreds) explain your situation, and ask if they have any spare beds available in exchange for cleaning or chores. When I first arrived in London I went broke, and that night, having no place to sleep, the 4th hostel I asked at 1am in the morning, gave me a free bed in exchange for 2 hours vaccuming a day - I ended up living their for free for 2 weeks and made some good friends in the process.
--Again as said before, dress respectably, enter polite-suck-up mode, photo-copy about 30 CV's and go around to shops asking to speak to the manager
--Be willing do to whatever the fuck you have to do: if you're desperate, suck it up.
--Be creative. Think of things people always need and will pay for: I know a guy who bought a hedge-trimmer, went around neighborhoods knocking on peoples doors, and was coining over £100 a day trimming peoples bushes. On the subject, don't be afraid to go knocking on doors - if they see you're desperate, but honest and willing to work hard, you could land some well-paid gardening, housework, washing-cars etc.
--Save up! gotta get out of the rut sooner or later...
Anyway good-luck |
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cjslittlebaby
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| What's the crap with the not paying National Insurance on a Cash in hand job! I worked a cash in hand job for about a year and a half and i paid National Insurance EVERY WEEK! And the last two people have got things down to a tee. Would you sit there starving? Or let your kids starve.. for the sake of a bit of tax or NI... i don't think so. And by the way Proper Tax Paying jobs are harder to come by to some people than other. So all you that think its easy, get off your high horse and live a real life. |
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davidenglish
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magicman
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| Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:45 pm Post subject: learn an instrument |
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do what i do, go busking if you can play something, or join a band, or dress up as a beggar and beg.  |
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montyzuma
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| some dont even have to dress up |
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Tracy1988
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| i was working in a resturant not knowing the affects of cash in hand would have on me, that was intill i fell pregnant and had a hard job trying to get the money that i deserved as i was young i didnt know what i was getting myself into as they dont teach you about tax and national insurance, pension etc at school.... be careful but good luck |
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longlee
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:47 pm Post subject: cash in hand |
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| id tell on my employer but then id have to go back on job seakers so stuff that right off, al just keep on as i am for now, is there any way to pay your own tax and national insurance or are you saposed to get paid into a bank |
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Tracy1988
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| ithink you can go to the post office and pay it but im not to sure, you will have to look that up. |
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paz21
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Hi there heard youre looking for cash in hand..........
Maybe i can help im currently working for a direct sales and marking firm that has a training program i stared at the first level with cash in hand and it starts of quite desent if your willin to wrk hard
Give me a call if need more details Parisa <zap> |
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montyzuma
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paz21 is poss alluding to a mlm scheme, google mlm or look elsewhere on the board, my advice would be dont touch them. they are for the deluded or naive.
they are trying to increase their downline
sorry paz poss thats not what you are promoting but direct sales marketing is what multi level marketing is calling itself now amongst other things |
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Embo..
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This post has really pissed me off..
I am looking for cash in hand work..
I also have a full time job and make my share of NI and Tax contributions..
The reason i need a cash in hand job also, is because i cannot afford the petrol to get to my main job because of all the sodding tax i am paying on that!
So for all the self righteous folk on here.. go figure that one! |
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bynari
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| guest300 wrote: | Yes, if you aren't keen on paying tax/NI contributions while using the national services in the country and want to benefit from the host country without giving anything back, then you may as well zip about in an untaxed, uninsured, dangerous car, perhaps siphoning petrol to save a few more quid. Also, as tax, insurance & MOT's don't seem to apply, why obey traffic signals, surely these are optional?
Do other people on the forum think this mentality will cover all areas of a person's life and negatively impact their community?
Based on the fact that some individuals think they are exempt from paying their way in a basic way, here's other areas where they can also milk the system, annoy their host community and fellow travellers
* evade paying Council tax (impact: it pushes up the bill for other residents or forces councils to cut services but if you are not paying at all, this will make no difference)
* evade paying fares on public transport (impact: as above)
* evade paying for expensive treatment and prescriptions (impact: as above)
* don't pay your rent (impact: landlords will push up their rent levels and deposits for new tenants to cover your void)
* consider not paying for utilities, telephone/internet connections, waterbills, TV licences
Your fellow colleagues won't mind the further tightening of immigration control and visa requirements to try and counteract those who choose to sponge, they'll think you are a hero. |
Somebody needs to take economics 101.
The part I find the most amusing is the part where you say "If people don't pay rent then rent goes up".
That's the price model of the uneducated joe who's reasoning is as follows "Oh I'm not selling X so I'll make it really expensive, so that if I sell 1 it'll make up for the 9 I've not sold!"
I always love watching uneducated folk give advice on finance and economics. |
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UKguest
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| I can see everyone elses concern with the tax evation and everything else. But there are times when even though you dont want to do things you have to, to survive I can understand it as I am in love with the most amazing woman in the world and she is UK citzen but I can not be with her due to red tape and she is not yet ready to marry as her previous marraige was a bit rough and I will never rush her, she means too much for me. So now I am also looking for employment as a cash in hand due to I want to be with her but need to earn an income to help her in supporting us when I come ove. But to those who are doing it just to evade tax I also say get a life. I will pay tax with pleasure if I was allowed to work in the UK. I love the UK because it gave me my true love. THANKS UK |
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