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fizz190



Joined: 09 Jan 2008
Posts: 2

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 3:04 pm    Post subject: More scam alerts Reply with quote

Hi all,

I have recently made 2 enquiries regarding flats on Gumtree and had very similar responses to each. My gut immediately told me something was up, and having read some of the posts on here it seems I was right.

The first was re ref 18052337. I made a general enquiry got this response...

Hi,
How are you and how has your day been,presumed fine.....Thanks for the message concerning the flat and i am very sorry for getting back to you late,Just that i have been busy with some customers of mine....I am Crown by name,lovely mother of a meaningful kids 30years of age,with two kids name(Sherry & Will)..I am a Computer economist by profession...I deal with Textiles and fabrics supply to diffirent customers anywhere they are located..
About the flat been located in Rannoch Rd,Hammersmith,London W6 9SS.The flat is well furnished,equiped with neccessaries amenities which maybe needed..Anyway i will love to let you know about the details on the flat,that has to do with Very large and spacious room,Bath Tub,additional toilet,shower
TV;Cable Tv and satelite
washing machine,balcony,shared garden,pets welcome,floor boards,Heating;Gas Heating furnished and Residential Parking....
The picture has been showned soon....
I will love to know more about you and how serious you willing towards this flat,because i have face many disappointment from people asking for the flat and they are not serious,Kindly get back to me what you do for living....Holding for your response soon

Regards
Crown

The second was ref 17951416

The first response seemed innocent enough...

Sorry for the late response,the flat is a newly bought and refurblished one which is located in quiet residential area on Fulham Palace Rd, London, W6 8RF,with numerous shops,bars,restaurants & ammenities close by.
The place is very well connected with transport:and many more (most of them do night services aswell).Very close to shops, banks, Post Office,restaurants, pubs, fitness .
Large livingroom, Double Bedroom, Spacious lounge,fully fitted,large kitchen with washing machine,fridge,freezer,microwave, etc. Gas central
heating,telephone, tv points and internet facilities.
Situated on ground floor, fully self contained,access front and rear,
off street parking, Garden.

THE FLAT CONTAINS::::::::::::::::
Large bedroom
Toilet and bathroom
Large kitchen
Large livingroom
The actual rent is £500 for the Flat per month including utilities+cable+internet service.However,i collect £400 refundable security deposit which will be given back to you is required.

Available now

Regards,
Jennifer


The second one... not so much!

Thanks so much for the reply and interest in my Flat.Just want to tell you that its a large 1bedroom Flat with Garden.
However,i will be willing to meet you,get to know you and show you round the flat so that you can see what you are renting.
But the issue is that i have been having problems with time wasters with regards to making the payment for the Flat and this is really time wasting because i am presently on a field trip in Manchester for a research,but have my Laptop here to reply to emails.
However,how am i going to be sure that i will not be disappointed around when i come to show you the flat?Please understand that i am NOT asking you to pay for what you have not seen.People have told me that they will pay upon us meeting if they are satisfied but they all don't have the money to pay,everyone of them is looking for a free or cheaper Flat to rent despite the fact that i have made the rent Cheap.
Pls,i need you suggestion here because you can't pay for what you have not seen,it is not advisable.
However,i am also discussing with my Colleague here as regards idea on what i can do.I will get back to you or you suggest on what to do so that we can arrange a meeting and the viewing of the flat.Thanks while i will be waiting read from you.
The neighborhood is safe and i guess you have heard much about this area before,so its safe, clean area.
1)-Do you have the money to pay me if you like the Flat after viewing?
2)-Are you the only one to occupy the Flat?
Elina

Note the change of name ... Jennifer, I mean Elina, obviously slipped up there!

I am guessing they will both inevitably suggest a Western Union transfer to solve this tricky dilemma!! I'm going to respond to each and see how long it takes for "inspiration" to hit!

FYI, their email addresses are jeniroom2@yahoo.co.uk and crown.smith@yahoo.com

I guess the old adage is true, if it looks to good to be true, it probably is!

Oh, and the best thing is, when you look up the postcode "jennifer" gave, you find that aparently the flat is within the local hospital, brilliant!
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the_tidy_kiwi
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for letting us know.

Please report these people straight away by clicking the links that you should receive with your emails that come through the Gumtree system.
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fizz190



Joined: 09 Jan 2008
Posts: 2

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to confirm, Jennifer/Elina sent me this today...

Thanks for the reply.I understand you quite okay.However,i do not want to stand on peoples promise of paying me cash or cheque when we meet again because i have met with time wasters.
I was discussing with my colleague about the idea on how i will be so sure that i will not be coming down to London on a futile exercise and she advised that we can work out something via Western Union Transfer.
She made me to understand that she has used it a couple of times for renting out her flat.She said that western union can actually hold the money as an evidence and surety that her tenant will pay her at least for the first month and deposit.She explained that you can visit any Western union outlet and transfer the money IN YOUR FRIEND NAME as the SENDER and RECEIVER will be in YOUR NAME.-You will use his/her name as the SENDER and AFTER viewing and you are okay with the flat,we both can go back to withdraw your money from western union close to my flat as she said she has done transactions this way before.

I do not want you to have the feeling that i am asking for money BEFORE you see what you are renting because i know that payment is meant to be done AFTER you have seen the Flat and okay with it.-The reason why you have to be receiver is basically to give you the confidence that your money is still in your name and to make sure that your money is still safe since it is still in you name as the receiver as you are the only one who can collect it with a valid ID,maybe with a passport or drivers license.
So in order for me to also be on a good side,you can go ahead and make the transfer since you have the money ready,let me know immediately you do the transfer so that i can know how to squeeze out time to come and meet you.But i will have to rely on your honesty and truth that you have actually make the payment before i leave here to come down to London to see you.What evidence will you give me so that I can be sure that you have made the payment? I was made to understand that you can SCAN THE RECEIPT to me to see.
I was also made to understand that western union takes some charges for the transfer and i am telling you that i will return back to you the full transfer charges whether you decide to rent the flat or not when we meet,ok?After doing the transfer,then i will have to leave here and be with you in London to meet you immediately.
Please,understand that i am NOT asking you to pay me BEFORE you view the flat as payment is done AFTER viewing and signing of Contract with the handling over of keys to you.I only want to be sure that i am not going to waste my time this time around and i think that with this condition,both of us can be sure we are not wasting our times.Let me know if you are okay with this so that we can proceed.Thanks so much while i will be waiting to read from you and i am looking forward to meet you and be great friends eventually.

PS:I am sorry for the lengthy mail.I only want to explain myself better


Elina


And if you're interested, my response was...

Ooh, I see. So THAT'S what you want me to do, is it? So I send the money by Western Union to a friend and send you the receipt. Just so you can see that I have the money? That's such a brilliant idea. It's a shame I am an intelligent person who understands what a dirty, cheating scumbag you are. I have reported you to gumtree and to the police.

Have a nice day Jennifer, or should that be Elina? (You might want to try and use the same name in all your emails if you want to convince people your disgusting con is for real, you idiot).

Bye!

I will report this now. Thanks
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montyzuma
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well done, if only everyone took the same care. too many trusting souls out there
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ben scaro



Joined: 11 Jan 2008
Posts: 1

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I had one of the 'I'm too busy to come down from Manchester so i need the deposit up-front' and two of the 'I'm sorry but i've been stung by timewasters before and i need a deposit up front' emails since listing here a week ago.

The cupid stunts sent me the same picture of the 'flat' on offer for each of the second emails, even though one was in Belgravia - hello 'clarajones77@yahoo.com' if you're reading this! - and one was in Islington !

Just be wary. NEVER give money up front till you've got their details, seen the place and all the othe information you need to call the police or go round there with a few of your friends if it all goes awry.

And to Gumtree. If you want to be a good corporate citizen- please, please, have a link to the 'scams' emails up front on your site ? Huh ? Otherwise all you are doing is taking money from your advertisers to run a site which aids and abets these thieves.

So how's about a little corporate responsibility ?

Ben
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nishan



Joined: 14 Jan 2008
Posts: 1

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 6:05 pm    Post subject: SCAM !!! - Flats for Rent Reply with quote

Hi all I had the same experience as well . Am wondering what we can do to take them for a ride . I replied to a advert on gumtree and this is the correspondance

The first reply from that person is as the same as listed in this forum

Hi,
How are you and how has your day been,presumed fine.....Thanks for the message concerning the flat and i am very sorry for getting back to you late,Just that i have been busy with some customers of mine....I am Crown by name,lovely mother of a meaningful kids 30years of age,with two kids name(Sherry & Will)..I am a Computer economist by profession...I deal with Textiles and fabrics supply to diffirent customers anywhere they are located..
About the flat been located in Rannoch Rd,Hammersmith,London W6 9SS.The flat is well furnished,equiped with neccessaries amenities which maybe needed..Anyway i will love to let you know about the details on the flat,that has to do with Very large and spacious room,Bath Tub,additional toilet,shower
TV;Cable Tv and satelite
washing machine,balcony,shared garden,pets welcome,floor boards,Heating;Gas Heating furnished and Residential Parking....
The picture has been showned soon....
I will love to know more about you and how serious you willing towards this flat,because i have face many disappointment from people asking for the flat and they are not serious,Kindly get back to me what you do for living....Holding for your response soon
Regards
Crown

The Second reply was the bomb

Hello,
Thanks for your interest and your impression towards the flat,Anyway i have heard so many of this which people as been sending to me through and even when they called me then,Before stop giving out my number and even my Identity online,Because someone make use of my identity which they request for online and make for something funny...Which i just got through from my Police case of resent.Tho thats not your concerned now but been trying to let you know of what has happened to me via this flat renting of a thing.Yes the flat has kitchen,i mean large Kitchen...
So for now with what i learnt and what my cousin who rent our her flat before she travel to Munich Germany then did was,Also i believe with what she heard leaning from her Mother then was that.Because to avoid any slight embaracement of the stress which i might encounter when coming down there,Even when you might not be serious of it...I suggest we should abide with what she told me of then that.I suggest you make this source by sending REFUNDABLE (£850),i mean you sending it to someone you can trust very well..I mean to a friend you can trust,or someone close to you, very well round you..All i need from you is the receipt from western union,kindly scan it to me i mean to my email as soon as.So as to be sure you are serious and more so i wouldn't want a case of disappointment again.Tho i can see your seriousness,sorry for all this but been the best for us i mean..
Well the best favor i will do is that i wouldn't mine returning the western union charges back to you when we will finally meet for the viewing of the flat soon..I mean there Rannoch Rd,I will surely call you as well...I will be glad if you can find a reason to this and more so,Get it in mind that i never ask for your money been send to me because i will not as well send money to someone i have not seen either,But i suggest we make this effort been perfect soon.
I will be glad to hear from you soon,about what i come up with now
Holding for it now,i assure you will love it and ok with the flat.

N.B
I wouldn't mine coming down to Hammersmith before Friday for you to view the Flat before as soon as you scan the receipt now.And after viewing the flat and the deposit has been paid.There will be handling of key to you as and with the agreement form to you as soon as we meet soon..I believe you have the pictures with you there?s soon as i have the scan receipt of the transaction i will be there on Friday and also i will give you a call to let you know i am around on Friday.

Please be careful[/b]
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becjerami



Joined: 14 Jan 2008
Posts: 14

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

God, if it wasn't so sad it would be funny. These people are really giving me the shits! I had an ad on gumtree looking for a room last year and I never had this kind of hassle. This time my ad has been on for 1 week and 70% of the responses have been from scammers. Uuuuuggh!

Anyone else get the impression these emails are translated into English using a free online translation service?
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ShallWeDanceTonight?
 
 


Joined: 27 Aug 2007
Posts: 2396

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are doing it because it appears to be amasingly sucessful. just have a look at how many people post on here having been taken for many hundreds, even a thousand or more, pounds.

It's a scam with huge rewards - beats the effort of going to try and sell a £50 mobile.
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kafka



Joined: 21 Jan 2008
Posts: 12

PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:09 pm    Post subject: Hmmm Reply with quote

Hey - these scam artists are just copying and pasting! haha, the e-mail I got from the lovely Debbie Rich (debbyrich@yahoo.com) aka Kenny Kennedy (twinkennedy02@yahoo.com) is exactly the same as you got! Grr damn those scammers!

Check it out:

RE: Here's my suggestion‏
From: Rich Debby (debbyrich@yahoo.com)
Sent: Mon 1/21/08 5:28 PM
To: xxxxxxxxx

Hello,
Thanks for your interest and your impression towards the flat,Anyway i have heard so many of this which people as been sending to me through and even when they called me then,Before stop giving out my number and even my Identity online,Because someone make use of my identity which they request for online and make for something funny...Which i just got through from my Police case of resent.Tho thats not your concerned now but been trying to let you know of what has happened to me via this flat renting of a thing....
So for now with what i learnt and what my aunty who rent our her flat before she travel to Munich Germany then did was,Also i believe with what she heard leaning from her Mother then was that.Because to avoid any embaracement of the stress which i might encounter when coming down there,Even when you might not be serious of it...I suggest we should abide with what she told me of then that.I suggest you make this source by sending REFUNDABLE £950 plus £450=£1,400, ...which is deposit fees and a month fees which include all bills even council tax,i mean you sending it to someone you can trust very well,in London..I mean to a your boyfriend's name or your girl friend's name in london,someone you can trust..All i need from you is the receipt from western union or money gramme,kindly scan it to me i mean to my email or email all the information from the outlet as soon as or let me have all the information from any of these outlet why this is mainly for me to have a proof of your seriouseness concerning the Flat,i will love to be sure instead of facing any embarracement which i do face earlier and i will never want this to happen anymore to me...I need to see a proof of your seriousness concerning the flat and even you have the money at hand for the flat soon.So as to be sure you are serious and more so i wouldn't want a case of coming down without a meaningful response from you,which may resolve to disappointment again.Tho i can see your seriousness,sorry for all this but been the best for us i mean..
Well the best favor i will do is that i wouldn't mine returning the western union or money gramme charges back to you when we will finally meet for the viewing of the flat soon..I will surely call you as well...I will be glad if you can find a reason to this and more so,Get it in mind that i never ask for your money been send to me because i will not as well send money to someone i have not seen either ,But i suggest we make this effort been perfect soon.more so, you need to know something now that,I NEVER ASK FOR YOUR MONEY OK OR EVEN I NEVER ASK YOU TO SEND ME MONEY OK
I will be glad to hear from you soon,about what i come up with now
Holding for it now,i assure you will love it and ok with the flat.
N.B
I wouldn't mine coming down to Hammersmith before Saturday or even Friday for you to view the Flat before as soon as you scan the receipt now,You need to understand something now that i never ask you for any money or either ask you to send me any money,because its not adviceable you sending me money without the flat viewing,but due to what i have been through i will be glad you send me the reciept from western union as soon as possible.And after viewing the flat and the deposit has been paid.There will be handling of key to you as and with the agreement form to you as soon as we meet soon..I believe you have the pictures with you there?s soon as i have the scan receipt of the transaction i will be there on Saturday and also i will give you a call to let you know i am around on Saturday.
Regards
Debby
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jennyaskew



Joined: 22 Jan 2008
Posts: 1

PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:12 pm    Post subject: Same scammers using different name Reply with quote

I have just come across this same scam but they have a new ref no. 18850673 and new names...

look out for caren.williams75@yahoo.com or similar... and signing off as Caren and Susan

These are replies I have received:
(easy to spot the scam as replies were so similar and alarms bells rang as soon as they mentioned time-wasters and payment to view!!)

Hello Jennifer,
Thanks so much for the reply and interest in my Flat and it is vailable for you as long as you want to stay there.However,i will be willing to meet you,get to know you and show you round the flat so that you can see what you are renting.But the issue is that i have been having problems with time wasters with regards to making the payment for the Flat and this is really time wasting because i am presently in Manchester on a seminar,but have my Laptop here to reply to emails.However,how am i going to be sure that i will not be disappointed around when i come to show you the flat?Please understand that i am NOT asking you to pay for what you have not seen.People have told me that they will pay upon us meeting if they are satisfied but they all don't have the money to pay,everyone of them is looking for a free or cheaper Flat to rent despite the fact that i have made the rent Cheap.Pls,i need you suggestion here because you can't pay for what you have not seen,it is not advisable.However,i am also discussing with my Colleague here as regards idea on what i can do.I will get back to you or you suggest on what to do so that we can arrange a meeting and the viewing of the flat.Thanks while i will be waiting read from you.
Do not hesitate to ask any question. feel free to ask me any question.
waiting to read from you.
Susan.
N.B:
Do you have the money to pay me if you like the Flat after viewing?
How many are you to occupy the Flat?.


Hi Jennifer ,
Thanks for your mail and interest in my apartment.sorry for asking too much question i just want to be cautious.
I am the owner of my Flat not a rented apartment, i might decided to leave it closed till i come back from manchester but my colleague here in manchester advised me to rent it out for the time am out of the town. dont want any problem for myself.., i need to know the person that will occupy my apartment that is, if the person willl take care of my apartment like theirs because am letting the flat out because am presently in manchester working,.... is not compulsory that i rent out the flat but if i can get a reliable and tidy person that will take care of my flat for me.. i can let it out.so i need to know you better i.e what you are into,....i dont joke with my apartment that is i need a tidy person to stay there.Do not hesitate to ask any question. feel free to ask me any question.
waiting to read from you.
caren.


On 22/1/08 13:56, "Caren Williams" <carenwilliams75@yahoo.com> wrote:


Hello Jennifer,
Thanks for your mail. I am a very young comfortable professional,26 who works in a financial sector as a consultant.I would like to rent out a double bedroom Garden Flat with Broad Band Internet to a very easy going person at 500 per month including all bill.My apartment is very comfortable fully furnished flat on ground floor of brand duplex flat.Located in quiet residential area is fully furnished with large fitted wardrobes, offering heaps of storage space. Large fully equipped kitchen, 2 toilets and unlimited wireless internet.
I dont want any problem for myself.., i need to know the person that will occupy my apartment that is, the person that willl take care of my apartment like theirs because am letting the flat out because am presently in manchester working. It is not compulsory that i rent out the flat but if i can get a reliable and tidy person that will take care of my flat for i can let it out.so i need to know them better i.e what you and your husband are into.
Waiting to read from you.
caren.
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FunkyT
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Joined: 26 Oct 2007
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for letting us know of this new email address to watch out for. Good luck with your search!
Rolling Eyes Wink Laughing Smile Shocked Very Happy Cool
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Pajam



Joined: 24 Jan 2008
Posts: 1
Location: London

PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 2:06 pm    Post subject: should I keep contact going & asking police to act up on Reply with quote

Hi,

I was wondering if you think there is a point to keep my current e-mail exchanges with carenwilliams75@yahoo.com going and involve the police?
Would you think they would bother following the lead or am I wasting my energy and good intentions.

fizz190 : you wrote you reported to the police. Do you think it was worth wile your time? (them doing anything)

Cheers,

P.
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montyzuma
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Joined: 25 Jul 2007
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

police will not be interested, wind him up if you wish but all the info he gives you will be fake so little chance of finding him
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yell1981



Joined: 27 Jan 2008
Posts: 8

PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

'Caren Williams' is also going by the name 'Aimee Smith' as this is the exact email I received today. I'm sure the nasty little lying wench would have gone onto to try the whole western union thing as the conversation went further but I think I made them nervous by asking for their correct phone number as they had 'accidentally' left out a digit...also the posting was deleted from gumtree just after I emailed them about the flat and I qustioned that, so I doubt I'll be hearing from them again now.

I had the same dogey behaviour about 6 months ago also with someone going by the name of 'Kerry Bullock' who was trying the same old western union scam.

This is the email I received today from 'Aimee:'

Hello,
Thanks for your mail. I am a very young comfortable professional,26 who works in a financial sector as a consultant.I would like to rent out a double bedroom Garden Flat with Broad Band Internet to a very easy going person at 600 per month including all bills.and it is available to occupy for as long as you wish to...............
My apartment is very comfortable fully furnished flat on ground floor of brand duplex flat.
Located in quiet residential area is fully furnished with large fitted wardrobes, offering heaps of storage space. Large fully equipped kitchen, 2 toilets and unlimited wireless internet.
I dont want any problem for myself.., i need to know the person that will occupy my apartment that is, the person that willl take care of my apartment like theirs because am letting the flat out because am presently in manchester working. It is not compulsory that i rent out the flat but if i can get a reliable and tidy person that will take care of my flat for i can let it out.so i need to know them better i.e what you and your husband are into.
Waiting to read from you.
aimee

I thought it was too good to be true when I saw the listing and was sceptical about it all aswell because of the scam that other fool tried to pull before...and I was right.

GUMTREE NEED TO DO SOMEONE TO PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING OR HOW CAN WE USE AND TRUST THE SITE????? Evil or Very Mad
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yell1981



Joined: 27 Jan 2008
Posts: 8

PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

THIS IS ANOTHER EMAIL 'AIMEE SMITH' SENT TO ME:


Hi,
Thanks for your mail and interest in my apartment and i porposly remove it from there because i dont want time waster to mail me but i will send you the appartment pictures.........sorry for asking too much question i just want to be cautious.
I am the owner of my Flat not a rented apartment, i might decided to leave it closed till i come back from manchester but my colleague here in manchester advised me to rent it out for the time am out of the town. dont want any problem for myself.., i need to know the person that will occupy my apartment that is, if the person willl take care of my apartment like theirs because am letting the flat out because am presently in manchester working,.... is not compulsory that i rent out the flat but if i can get a reliable and tidy person that will take care of my flat for me.. i can let it out.so i need to know you better i.e what you are into,....i dont joke with my apartment that is i need a tidy person to stay there.Do not hesitate to ask any question. feel free to ask me any question.
waiting to read from you.
Aimee.
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yell1981



Joined: 27 Jan 2008
Posts: 8

PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:49 pm    Post subject: ANOTHER EMAIL ADDRESS TO WATCH OUT FOR Reply with quote

lindacute129@yahoo.com

posting ref: 19121509

This is the same person as 'Aimee Smith' Susan & 'Caren Williams' as the ad is almost identical, they spell the word 'appartment' the same, the deal is too good to be true AND the biggest giveway? The same wrong telephone number is on there with a digit missing 44790448237 - this was on the Aimee Smith one they were trying to scam me with...

I have reported them to gumtree, but just to warn you to STAY CLEAR - THEY ARE A BLATENT SCAMMER & will inevitably reel off some crap about working in Manchester, wanting someone to look after their flat, blah, blah, blah and then ask you to pay by western union as 'so many people have messed me around' - Come on, at least think of something new & original...Jeeez!!
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TheHighlander



Joined: 04 Feb 2008
Posts: 1

PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:01 pm    Post subject: ANOTHER EMAIL ADDRESS TO WATCH OUT FOR Reply with quote

juana.mason@yahoo.com

'Caren Williams' and 'Aimee Smith' have yet another personallity:
Juana Mason...

I haven't seen this many personallities in one person since "One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest"

I don't remember what the posting ref was, as it dissappeared off of GumTree. This one falls into the same scam. Sadly, being of a trusting nature (even though I was nervous that this was a scam) I gave my name, and mobile numbers as contact.

Below I'll put some of the emails, hopefully others that google some words from the scam will find this forum link:

Quote:
On Feb 3, 2008 7:11 PM, Juana Mason <juana.mason@yahoo.com> wrote:


Hello *******
Thanks for your mail. I am a very young comfortable professional,26 who works in a financial sector as a consultant.I would like to rent out a double bedroom Garden Flat with Broad Band Internet to a very easy going person at 600 per month including all bills.and it is available to occupy for as long as you wish to...............
My apartment is very comfortable fully furnished flat on ground floor of brand duplex flat.
Located in quiet residential area is fully furnished with large fitted wardrobes, offering heaps of storage space. Large fully equipped kitchen, 2 toilets and unlimited wireless internet.
I dont want any problem for myself.., i need to know the person that will occupy my apartment that is, the person that willl take care of my apartment like theirs because am letting the flat out because am presently in manchester working. It is not compulsory that i rent out the flat but if i can get a reliable and tidy person that will take care of my flat for i can let it out.so i need to know them better i.e what you and your husband are into.
Waiting to read from you.
juana


Quote:
On Feb 4, 2008 11:42 AM, Juana Mason <juana.mason@yahoo.com> wrote:

hello
Thanks for your mail and interest in my apartment.sorry for asking too much question i just want to be cautious.
I am the owner of my Flat not a rented apartment, i might decided to leave it closed till i come back from manchester but my colleague here in manchester advised me to rent it out.beacuse i dont want any problem for myself.., i need to know the person that will occupy my apartment that is, if the person willl take care of my apartment like theirs because am letting the flat out because am presently living here in manchester due to the nature of my job,.... is not compulsory that i rent out the flat but if i can get a reliable and tidy person that will take care of my flat for me.. i can let it out.so i need to know you better,....i dont joke with my apartment that is i need a tidy person to stay there.Do not hesitate to ask any question. feel free to ask me any question.
waiting to read from you.
juana.


Quote:
Hello ,
Thanks so much for the reply and interest in my Flat. However,i will be willing to meet you,get to know you and show you round the flat so that you can see what you are renting.
But the issue is that i have been having problems with time wasters with regards to making the payment for the Flat and this was really a wasted time because i am presently in Manchester on a seminar,but have my Laptop here to reply to emails.
However,how am i going to be sure that i will not be disappointed when i come around to show you the flat?Please understand that i am NOT asking you to pay for what you have not seen.People have told me that they will pay upon us meeting if they are satisfied but they all don't have the money to pay,everyone of them is looking for a free or cheaper Flat to rent despite the fact that i have made the rent Cheap.
Pls,i need you suggestion here because you can't pay for what you have not seen,it is not advisable.
However,i am also discussing with my Colleague here as regards idea on what i can do.I will get back to you or you suggest on what to do so that we can arrange a meeting and the viewing of the flat.Thanks while i will be waiting read from you.
Do not hesitate to ask any question. feel free to ask me any question.
waiting to read from you.
juana
N.B:
Do you have the money to pay me if you like the Flat after viewing?
How many are you to occupy the Flat?.


The above is the last one I replied too... wonder what the response I'll get will be?

PS: Also, one that seemed like the Western Union scam I was looking at a few weeks ago from a IdfraTan Helen, who also spelled the second name as Helene .... anyone seen that name before?

High out.
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feduphousehunter



Joined: 04 Feb 2008
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:07 pm    Post subject: GOT A FEELING THIS IS GOING TO BE ANOTHER SCAM!! Reply with quote

Posted an ad looking for a house today and received this shortly afterwards. Got a feeling it's a scam due to the poor English and the Manchester connection!

Add nelson_dave2007@yahoo.com to Contacts list

Contact: nelson_dave2007@yahoo.com

______________________________________________________________________

Hello There
This is MR wilson,the owner of the house that we want to give for rent. I saw your advert post on gumtree. And i can see in your advert that you need four bedroom flat.i also have four bedroom flat atHillingdon. Am the one living there before when my work now took me to manchester and i have relocated in manchester, so that is why i want to rent the apartment out.
if you are intrested kindly email me back.
thanks
wilson
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easyshare



Joined: 21 Apr 2008
Posts: 5
Location: Germany

PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yell1981 wrote:
'Caren Williams' is also going by the name 'Aimee Smith' as this is the exact email I received today. I'm sure the nasty little lying wench would have gone onto to try the whole western union thing as the conversation went further but I think I made them nervous by asking for their correct phone number as they had 'accidentally' left out a digit...also the posting was deleted from gumtree just after I emailed them about the flat and I qustioned that, so I doubt I'll be hearing from them again now.

I had the same dogey behaviour about 6 months ago also with someone going by the name of 'Kerry Bullock' who was trying the same old western union scam.

This is the email I received today from 'Aimee:'

Hello,
Thanks for your mail. I am a very young comfortable professional,26 who works in a financial sector as a consultant.I would like to rent out a double bedroom Garden Flat with Broad Band Internet to a very easy going person at 600 per month including all bills.and it is available to occupy for as long as you wish to...............
My apartment is very comfortable fully furnished flat on ground floor of brand duplex flat.
Located in quiet residential area is fully furnished with large fitted wardrobes, offering heaps of storage space. Large fully equipped kitchen, 2 toilets and unlimited wireless internet.
I dont want any problem for myself.., i need to know the person that will occupy my apartment that is, the person that willl take care of my apartment like theirs because am letting the flat out because am presently in manchester working. It is not compulsory that i rent out the flat but if i can get a reliable and tidy person that will take care of my flat for i can let it out.so i need to know them better i.e what you and your husband are into.
Waiting to read from you.
aimee

I thought it was too good to be true when I saw the listing and was sceptical about it all aswell because of the scam that other fool tried to pull before...and I was right.

GUMTREE NEED TO DO SOMEONE TO PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING OR HOW CAN WE USE AND TRUST THE SITE????? Evil or Very Mad


I receive today this email from kerry bullock:

Hello,

Thanks for the interest in my one bedroom flat. How are you? I am cool over here. My name is Kerry. I am a professional with a Masters Degree in Public Policy. I would describe myself as outgoing, broad interests, very tidy, sociable and an extrovert. I enjoy travelling, outdoors, horse riding, poetry, singing, dancing, occassional pub-crawling, good food, drinking a good glass of wine or tea with friends and when I am indoor, I also enjoy
playing chess or scrabble if I am not reading a magazine.

I am presently in Newcastle for a seminar which will last for sometimes and I have been very busy so I will have to tell you all that I feel you need to know about the flat but note that I am renting out the whole flat to you...

The flat:

The flat is a one bedroom flat with garden. The bedroom is a beautiful, big standard room which is very neat as you can see in the pictures, i do not tolerate dirtiness and this is why you will see the flat so neat and it has the following:

*A big standard bed which can sleep two people.
*A television connected to the cable in the living room and
also in the bedroom.
*A refridgerator in the kitchen.
*A private bathroom with toilet.
*A wardrobe/drawer unit.
*A big living room fully furnished with a television connected
to the cable, a sound system, heater and airconditioner.
*Internet facilities available which you can connect your laptop to...
Although I have one in the flat which you can use it if you do not have one...
*A fully furnished kitchen.
*A washing machine.
*Garage which the building has on its own.
*Tube station is about 5-7 mins walk from the flat.
*Close to hospital and shopping mall.(walking distance)
*The security in the neighbourhood is high.

The payment:

Rent is £500 per month (subject to negotiation to an extent) plus approximately £100 for utilities, cable, internet service. The average utilities comes to about £60 per month, cable is about £20 per month and the internet is about £20 per month which brings everything to a total of approximately £100 per month and bringing the total rent per month to £600 per month.

However, I collect £700 refundable security deposit which will be given back to you if unutilized, the purpose of the security deposit is to secure the flat for you and also incase of any damages done by you in the flat, it will be used to do the repairs, otherwise it will be returned to you when leaving. I collect this security deposit with one months rent in advance before move in, the security deposit can be used to pay for your last months rent if unutilized.

The reason why I am renting out the flat is because I will be spending sometimes here after the seminar as I have just gotten another job on a contract basis here so I should be here for about two years and I really need someone to be taking care of the flat. Moreso, I do not want some unserious people to start wasting my time on this rent and
this is the reason why I am collecting the payment in advance so that I can see the finanacial commitment. Let me know if you would love to come and view the flat and have a look at what you are renting but the problem is that a lot of people have wasted my time on this rent issue and i really want someone very serious to deal with this time around. Several people have asked me to come down to London to show them the flat only to get me disappointed
eventually.

I have attached the pictures of the flat with this mail to you so that you can see how the flat looks like and also I attach my proof of identification to avoid any doubt over security. I sincerely want someone very serious and sincerely willing to rent the flat because a lot of people have wasted my time on this.

-But are you really serious about the renting the flat?

-If you love the flat when you see it, will you make the payment to hold it for you against your move in if i come down to show you the flat?

Please understand that i am NOT asking you to pay for what you have not seen because i know that payment is to be made AFTER viewing and okay with what you are paying for. But people have told me that they will pay upon us meeting if they are satisfied with the flat but ended up being disappointed.

Moreover,if you are going to make payment for the flat when we meet, I will prepare all the neccesary documentations like the Rental Receipt showing the amount paid and also the Rental Agreement Form
which we will both sign after being satisfied with the flat.

I am also talking to a colleague of mine here as regards idea on what we can do to avoid being disappointed this time around. I will get back to you as soon as possible so that we can arrange a meeting and the viewing of the flat. Thanks while i will be waiting read from you.

And a scan from the passport?????????
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easyshare



Joined: 21 Apr 2008
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Location: Germany

PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is incredible.

She send the email from
[kerrybullock@hotmail.com]


kerrybullocksflat@yahoo.co.uk


I found this on my email.
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fward



Joined: 02 May 2008
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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

For the last few days we have been contacted by Idfratan Helene about a flat using the email, idfratan.helene@googlemail.com she also suggested Western Union etc. We were suspicious from the start as knew the area the flat was advertised in and from the pictures could tell this flat wasn't in the area (Camden) as showed georgian sash windows and the flat was supposedly in an ex-council establishment!!
She was under the impression that we would undertake the western union transaction and then go to see the flat (once her lawyer had confirmed the receipt was genuine!!) and we would 'fall in love with it' and sign the contract there and then - after which we would go and pick up our western union transfer and pay the deposit etc. Very dodgy!
But what we still cannot figure out is how would they get any money from this?? Obviously if anyone was silly enough to fall for it they still wouldnt have any substantial money on them?!
She also sent a 'contract' which included the sentence :
Minimun stay: however long you wanna stay
and an id, saying she was a france citizen hence ID FRA(nce) ?
So basically, just wondering what they get out of this??
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Dirty Mom
 
 


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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fward wrote:
... she also suggested Western Union etc. ... She was under the impression that we would undertake the western union transaction and then go to see the flat (once her lawyer had confirmed the receipt was genuine!!) ...

... But what we still cannot figure out is how would they get any money from this?? Obviously if anyone was silly enough to fall for it they still wouldnt have any substantial money on them?! ...

... So basically, just wondering what they get out of this??



Because this is a common question, I thought I'd help clear it up for you.

Here are some cut & paste screen shots from the Nigerian and British Western Union Websites.





To summarise it neatly.


1. In Nigeria, a "Govt issued ID", the MTCN number, and the answer to the test question is all that is required to withdraw the money.


2. WU say themselves on the website that their system is NOT designed to send cash in anyway to someone you don't know.


Why Nigeria? Well, their and Romania sadly, is where the bulk of the scams originate. Try looking at the email header to determine the original source of the email (you can do this, dependant on your email provider, in different ways). It will not be France. This is an easy check anyone can do to any email they recieve.

Interestingly, the "Test Question" is not a valid system in the UK ... so if someone ever says they are in some place in the UK (Say Manchester), and they require you to have a test question ... well, it's rather obvious really. (For those who are thickos ... you wouldn't need one in the UK - the scammer is clearly not in the UK)

The second you scan the recipt, the scammer has the MTCN number, your name and the name of the reciever, and they will likely ask for the answer to the secret question. They turn up with a shitty fake ID in the name of the reciever, answer the question correctly (after supplying the MTCN number), and bang, the cash is gone, and beyond the reach of the law.


That's how they do it.
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ukjana



Joined: 13 May 2008
Posts: 1
Location: London

PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 7:30 pm    Post subject: 'Elina' Scammer - elinafordflat@yahoo.co.uk Reply with quote

The 'Elina' (Jennifer!?) scammer mentioned above, also has the following email address:

elinafordflat@yahoo.co.uk

Here is the (too good to be true) details she sent me:
(Supposed address: 40 Argyle Square,London,WC1H 8AS

----------------------------------------------

Thanks so much for the reply and interest in my flat.Just want to tell you that its a large 1 Double Bedroom Flat and off street parking.
However,i will be willing to meet you,get to know you and show you round the flat so that you can see what you are renting.But the issue is that i have been having problems with time wasters with regards to making the payment for the Flat and this is really time wasting and have suffered my job so much despite the fact that i do come down from Manchester for viewing because i am on research course,but have my Laptop here to reply to emails as i am not here with mobile phone.
However,how am i going to be sure that i will not be disappointed around when i come to show you the flat/room?Please understand that i am NOT asking you to pay for what you have not seen.People have told me that they will pay upon us meeting if they are satisfied but mostly they don't have the cash at hand to pay me,everyone of them is looking for a free or cheaper Flat to rent despite the fact that i have made the rent Cheap.

Pls,i need you suggestion here because you can't pay for what you have not seen,it is not advisable.
However,i am also discussing with my Colleague here as regards idea on what i can do.I will get back to you or you suggest on what to do so that we can arrange a meeting and the viewing of the flat.Thanks while i will be waiting read from you.

The neighborhood is safe and i guess you have heard much about this area before,so its safe, clean area.

1)Let me know your suggestion..........I guess you will be willing to pay me if you like the Flat.

2)-Are you both to occupy the Flat?Your rent begins on your move in date.

3)Viewing is never a problem.

4) Proof of ownership and Documentation will be shown upon viewings.

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And the original message, with a different reason for not being in London: (!!!)
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I owned this smart,1 Double bedroom flat which has recently been refurbished throughout and features a bright and spacious Bedroom, which opens on to a generous garden extending approximately 26' The property further comprises fully integrated kitchen with wood worktops, master bedroom with en suite shower room located on Argyle Square,London,WC1H 8AS.

It is well served by local amenities and is well placed to take advantage of the wide choice of shops, bars and restaurants.

It is just two minutes walk from mainline train and tube links.
provides quick and easy access to routes in and out of Central London.

Flat Contains:

Large Livingroom,
Double Bedroom 4.27m x 2.79m (14'.00" x 9'.2"),
Toilet and bathroom separately,
large kitchen,washing machine,
fridge,freezer,microwave, Gas central heating,
telephone, Tv points and internet facilities.

Rent Include all above mention including council tax+utilities+cable+internet . Rent monthly is £ 700 and deposit of £450 is required.
THERE IS NO MINIMUM STAY

Would suit a couple or sharers. Please note this is a Double bedroom apartment.
I am renting the Flat out because i just relocated to our horse farm house to take care of my late husband investment in Gloucester.

Viewings can be arrange.

Thanks
Elina
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MissyT



Joined: 16 May 2008
Posts: 2

PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another name to be aware of:
Mike Bordenn
mountcarmel3@live.com
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gums
 
 


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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scammers at it again...
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