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healthy_lemon
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 Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 9:31 am Post subject: super markets and plastic bags food hygenie |
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I wonder what how increased the chances are of getting food posioning from using reused shopping bags are ?
I've thought about this before you pack a raw chicken in a carrier bag take it home, the plastic wrapping it comes in had a leak, you don't know - you go out and put a load more shopping in the bag - kiddie grabs theselves a snack out of chicken slimed bag...
it's probably just a thought, I use dto think about the chances of catching mrsa off kleeneze magazines and shared mags in dentist/doctors.
maybe germs from knot, spit, shit, urine and dead animals don't spread as many germs as I thought - maybe it just remindeds me of the mrsa linked to doctors sharing and sucking pens that was noted as a source of the pread of mrsa once.
I'm using mrsa as just an example bug - there are all those food poision bugs. I'll be wearing disposable gloves to go shopping next.... |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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more than likely you would pickup diseases from any bag thats had a dead bird in it,and as for shit,snot,etc if the person is infected with photty shottys
you may catch them |
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healthy_lemon
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| Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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| imlooking wrote: | more than likely you would pickup diseases from any bag thats had a dead bird in it,and as for shit,snot,etc if the person is infected with photty shottys
you may catch them |
yeah well they should supply carrier bag sterilising facilities then - our tesco's is stiopping carrier bags all together soon, the til people have been instructed to warn us about this each time we buy something - I feel like saying - okay you don't supply me with bags to carry my shoping in - fine i'll go to another store to shop - but so far i've just mentioned bringing in a wheelbarrow to carry my shopping home in.
1 in 4 people have a dog and I bet most of them use carrier bags to put poo in - so they are being reused - for shit - not fresh food. |
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imlooking
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| Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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use a proper shopping bag as there are far to many plastic bags about,hanging from trees,bushes.
and get a dog loo and train em to shit in it then theres less to be picked up or trod in. |
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healthy_lemon
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| imlooking wrote: | use a proper shopping bag as there are far to many plastic bags about,hanging from trees,bushes.
and get a dog loo and train em to shit in it then theres less to be picked up or trod in. |
people that put there poo in bags are taking the effort to do that the problem is lack of poo bins - knowone is going to carry shit about in their pocket - they put poo bins in and the problem stops - I know as we had that problem in our town - but the extra bins worked. |
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imlooking
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| Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| healthy_lemon wrote: | | imlooking wrote: | use a proper shopping bag as there are far to many plastic bags about,hanging from trees,bushes.
and get a dog loo and train em to shit in it then theres less to be picked up or trod in. |
people that put there poo in bags are taking the effort to do that the problem is lack of poo bins - knowone is going to carry shit about in their pocket - they put poo bins in and the problem stops - I know as we had that problem in our town - but the extra bins worked. |
thats true as where i live they have signs saying no dog fouling,but hardly any bins,same with litter bins hardly any at all. |
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Elina
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But surely you would bin the bag if there was a leak?
I don't use carrier bags. I take my rucksack when I go shopping. Easier to carry stuff in it + better for the environment. Besides, I wash the bag frequently. If there was a leak that I didnt' notice (not likely though), a cycle in the hot setting will quickly take care of it.
I don't really understand the need for carrier bags. Must be a culture thing? Where I come from, people take their own bags to the shop. Shops do provide bags but they cost a fair bit. If I'm just popping out for milk, I'll take the milk in hand and walk back home. I'm not about to use a carrier bag for one item when it's a 2min walk. Seems so very unnecessary |
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Reggleworm
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:38 pm Post subject: Re: super markets and plastic bags food hygenie |
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| healthy_lemon wrote: | I wonder what how increased the chances are of getting food posioning from using reused shopping bags are ?
I've thought about this before you pack a raw chicken in a carrier bag take it home, the plastic wrapping it comes in had a leak, you don't know - you go out and put a load more shopping in the bag - kiddie grabs theselves a snack out of chicken slimed bag...
it's probably just a thought, I use dto think about the chances of catching mrsa off kleeneze magazines and shared mags in dentist/doctors.
maybe germs from knot, spit, shit, urine and dead animals don't spread as many germs as I thought - maybe it just remindeds me of the mrsa linked to doctors sharing and sucking pens that was noted as a source of the pread of mrsa once.
I'm using mrsa as just an example bug - there are all those food poision bugs. I'll be wearing disposable gloves to go shopping next.... |
 I agree - you just don't know anymore - I just think to survive in this chemical world you need to keep your immune system built up - that's the biggest defense and try to do your best at most things environmentally - don't stress about it though as that will make you sick too! Check out some of my articles at http://www.cancertohealthylifestyle.com |
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medousa
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I think that we generaly need germs in our body to teach our natural defences what to fight. I suppose when you think about it there good and bad bacteria inside us.
To add credence to my first sentence, the poor tribes of the rainforests didn't have a good build up defences to fight off some of the more common diseases of the western world. Lots of them where killed by the simple flue virus.  |
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Reggleworm
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| Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 9:44 pm Post subject: Building up your Immune System |
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| medousa wrote: | I think that we generaly need germs in our body to teach our natural defences what to fight. I suppose when you think about it there good and bad bacteria inside us.
To add credence to my first sentence, the poor tribes of the rainforests didn't have a good build up defences to fight off some of the more common diseases of the western world. Lots of them where killed by the simple flue virus. |
Yes True but I think our biggest war these days is the fight against the major unnatural environment brought on by years of waste and abuse. That's what we now need to build up against, and I have proven it personally over the past ten years of my illness and survival how keeping strong internally has fought off side effects and viruses which I was supposed to endure. It surprised the heck out of my oncologist so much so that she asked what I was doing so as to advise her other chemo patients. I have a FREE Ebook on my site attached if you want a read of my cancer life story![url]http://www.cancertohealthylifestyle.com
[/url]http:lovelifeormoney.blogspot.com
Enjoy - Jennyreg  |
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medousa
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| Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:26 pm Post subject: Re: Building up your Immune System |
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| Reggleworm wrote: | | medousa wrote: | I think that we generaly need germs in our body to teach our natural defences what to fight. I suppose when you think about it there good and bad bacteria inside us.
To add credence to my first sentence, the poor tribes of the rainforests didn't have a good build up defences to fight off some of the more common diseases of the western world. Lots of them where killed by the simple flue virus. |
Yes True but I think our biggest war these days is the fight against the major unnatural environment brought on by years of waste and abuse. That's what we now need to build up against, and I have proven it personally over the past ten years of my illness and survival how keeping strong internally has fought off side effects and viruses which I was supposed to endure. It surprised the heck out of my oncologist so much so that she asked what I was doing so as to advise her other chemo patients. I have a FREE Ebook on my site attached if you want a read of my cancer life story![url]http://www.cancertohealthylifestyle.com
[/url]http:lovelifeormoney.blogspot.com
Enjoy - Jennyreg |
It sounds like your pretty strong mentally too, do you think that might have had some bearing on your general well being too. We know people who suffer with stress and depression to tend to get lots of viral illness's, cold sores and the like.
I hope you continue to be strong, you sound like a credit to us all..  |
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Reggleworm
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| Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:21 pm Post subject: Re: Building up your Immune System |
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| medousa wrote: | | Reggleworm wrote: | | medousa wrote: | I think that we generaly need germs in our body to teach our natural defences what to fight. I suppose when you think about it there good and bad bacteria inside us.
To add credence to my first sentence, the poor tribes of the rainforests didn't have a good build up defences to fight off some of the more common diseases of the western world. Lots of them where killed by the simple flue virus. |
Yes True but I think our biggest war these days is the fight against the major unnatural environment brought on by years of waste and abuse. That's what we now need to build up against, and I have proven it personally over the past ten years of my illness and survival how keeping strong internally has fought off side effects and viruses which I was supposed to endure. It surprised the heck out of my oncologist so much so that she asked what I was doing so as to advise her other chemo patients. I have a FREE Ebook on my site attached if you want a read of my cancer life story![url]http://www.cancertohealthylifestyle.com
[/url]http:lovelifeormoney.blogspot.com
Enjoy - Jennyreg |
It sounds like your pretty strong mentally too, do you think that might have had some bearing on your general well being too. We know people who suffer with stress and depression to tend to get lots of viral illness's, cold sores and the like.
I hope you continue to be strong, you sound like a credit to us all.. |
Thank you - yes I am very strong but I haven't always been. I had a huge inferiority complex growing up as I had a few big knocks during those years, and then having cancer I guess I just realized life was too short and it was time to start enjoying my WHOLE life instead of bits and pieces. Then I realized that if it was possible for me, it is possible for anyone to change their mindset. That's not a change of personality or character, but a change of attitude. That is possible from anyone if you want it bad enough! But I do appreciate your words of encouragement - thank you - I now want to spend my time encouraging others to look outisde the square and LIVE! no matter what the situation! Jennyreg |
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medousa
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Yes I must say I had a change in attitude too. After a childhood filled with sadistic abuse, I then started to abuse myself in my teens (self harm), spent many years with chronic self esteem issues. It wasn't until my twenties that I received 4 years of gut wrenching therapy that actually turned me into the strong minded, capable women I am today. I surprise myself sometimes at just how little rubbish I will put up with. I take no prisoners if you know what I mean.
With all my heart and sincerity I wish you well on the road you have chosen. Helping others is always very fulfilling. |
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Reggleworm
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| medousa wrote: | Yes I must say I had a change in attitude too. After a childhood filled with sadistic abuse, I then started to abuse myself in my teens (self harm), spent many years with chronic self esteem issues. It wasn't until my twenties that I received 4 years of gut wrenching therapy that actually turned me into the strong minded, capable women I am today. I surprise myself sometimes at just how little rubbish I will put up with. I take no prisoners if you know what I mean.
With all my heart and sincerity I wish you well on the road you have chosen. Helping others is always very fulfilling. |
Yes I do know what you mean - good on you - I am proud of what you have come through to have that attitude. I wish you all the best too. We have got to show the world what good wholesome, genuine, worthwhile strength is all about. Bless you. Jennyreg 
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medousa
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| Reggleworm wrote: | | medousa wrote: | Yes I must say I had a change in attitude too. After a childhood filled with sadistic abuse, I then started to abuse myself in my teens (self harm), spent many years with chronic self esteem issues. It wasn't until my twenties that I received 4 years of gut wrenching therapy that actually turned me into the strong minded, capable women I am today. I surprise myself sometimes at just how little rubbish I will put up with. I take no prisoners if you know what I mean.
With all my heart and sincerity I wish you well on the road you have chosen. Helping others is always very fulfilling. |
Yes I do know what you mean - good on you - I am proud of what you have come through to have that attitude. I wish you all the best too. We have got to show the world what good wholesome, genuine, worthwhile strength is all about. Bless you. Jennyreg
www.cancertohealthylifestyle.com |
Ah men to that. If girl power hadn't already been invented perhaps we should have joined forces. Never mind we will have to think of a new more powerful group to mince over..  |
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Hi again
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:30 am Post subject: Re: super markets and plastic bags food hygenie |
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| healthy_lemon wrote: | I wonder what how increased the chances are of getting food posioning from using reused shopping bags are ?
I've thought about this before you pack a raw chicken in a carrier bag take it home, the plastic wrapping it comes in had a leak, you don't know - you go out and put a load more shopping in the bag - kiddie grabs theselves a snack out of chicken slimed bag...
it's probably just a thought, I use dto think about the chances of catching mrsa off kleeneze magazines and shared mags in dentist/doctors.
maybe germs from knot, spit, shit, urine and dead animals don't spread as many germs as I thought - maybe it just remindeds me of the mrsa linked to doctors sharing and sucking pens that was noted as a source of the pread of mrsa once.
I'm using mrsa as just an example bug - there are all those food poision bugs. I'll be wearing disposable gloves to go shopping next.... |
Luckily, not many germs survive for long if they get cold or whatever. |
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Hi again
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| healthy_lemon wrote: | | imlooking wrote: | more than likely you would pickup diseases from any bag thats had a dead bird in it,and as for shit,snot,etc if the person is infected with photty shottys
you may catch them |
yeah well they should supply carrier bag sterilising facilities then - our tesco's is stiopping carrier bags all together soon, the til people have been instructed to warn us about this each time we buy something - I feel like saying - okay you don't supply me with bags to carry my shoping in - fine i'll go to another store to shop - but so far i've just mentioned bringing in a wheelbarrow to carry my shopping home in.
1 in 4 people have a dog and I bet most of them use carrier bags to put poo in - so they are being reused - for shit - not fresh food. |
I reuse carrier bags in my bin. Nothing goes into my wheelie bin that is not enclosed in one. However, because I live alone and recycle so much, I only have 3 or 4 bags full in my wheelie bin each week and the bags seem to multiply in my kitchen so I hand them into Charity Shops.
I use the small carrier bags that you get fruit or veg in for my dog's poo. |
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healthy_lemon
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yeah, i'm still using clean new bags - I try to squeze everything into one - but hell the dirty, grubby state of some people's "reused" bags is disgusting - they must be a health hazzard - my local tesco is starting to look like a recyling centre - I shall have to purchase one of those white chemical suits and a filter mask to go shopping at this rate - then cover all my veg in fairy liquid to get all the grubby fingermarks off...   |
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the beak
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| healthy_lemon wrote: | | yeah, i'm still using clean new bags - I try to squeze everything into one - but hell the dirty, grubby state of some people's "reused" bags is disgusting - they must be a health hazzard - my local tesco is starting to look like a recyling centre - I shall have to purchase one of those white chemical suits and a filter mask to go shopping at this rate - then cover all my veg in fairy liquid to get all the grubby fingermarks off... |
why not buy a reusable bag that can be washed when needed,or are you not concerned about wildlife thinking plastic bags are food,plastic bags decorating trees and bushes. |
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medousa
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| the beak wrote: | | healthy_lemon wrote: | | yeah, i'm still using clean new bags - I try to squeze everything into one - but hell the dirty, grubby state of some people's "reused" bags is disgusting - they must be a health hazzard - my local tesco is starting to look like a recyling centre - I shall have to purchase one of those white chemical suits and a filter mask to go shopping at this rate - then cover all my veg in fairy liquid to get all the grubby fingermarks off... |
why not buy a reusable bag that can be washed when needed,or are you not concerned about wildlife thinking plastic bags are food,plastic bags decorating trees and bushes. |
I've done just that, and the cotton ones you can buy do tend to shrink when washed. |
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the beak
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| medousa wrote: | | the beak wrote: | | healthy_lemon wrote: | | yeah, i'm still using clean new bags - I try to squeze everything into one - but hell the dirty, grubby state of some people's "reused" bags is disgusting - they must be a health hazzard - my local tesco is starting to look like a recyling centre - I shall have to purchase one of those white chemical suits and a filter mask to go shopping at this rate - then cover all my veg in fairy liquid to get all the grubby fingermarks off... |
why not buy a reusable bag that can be washed when needed,or are you not concerned about wildlife thinking plastic bags are food,plastic bags decorating trees and bushes. |
I've done just that, and the cotton ones you can buy do tend to shrink when washed. |
my wife makes some of her own and makes em a bit bigger to allow for shrinkage,mind you with food prices going up folks may buy less so smaller bags are okay |
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medousa
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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| the beak wrote: | | medousa wrote: | | the beak wrote: | | healthy_lemon wrote: | | yeah, i'm still using clean new bags - I try to squeze everything into one - but hell the dirty, grubby state of some people's "reused" bags is disgusting - they must be a health hazzard - my local tesco is starting to look like a recyling centre - I shall have to purchase one of those white chemical suits and a filter mask to go shopping at this rate - then cover all my veg in fairy liquid to get all the grubby fingermarks off... |
why not buy a reusable bag that can be washed when needed,or are you not concerned about wildlife thinking plastic bags are food,plastic bags decorating trees and bushes. |
I've done just that, and the cotton ones you can buy do tend to shrink when washed. |
my wife makes some of her own and makes em a bit bigger to allow for shrinkage,mind you with food prices going up folks may buy less so smaller bags are okay |
Yes, I've seen adverts for making your own bags and passing them on to people. I would like to give it ago, but I have very little spare time and the time I do have I am too shattered to do much really.
Food prices wont rise too much, it's vets bill and blumin dentists you gotta worry about.. |
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the beak
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| worth buying a sewing machine even a mini one works quite well, and cloth money bags fitted with handles are usefull |
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