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the beak
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| ticcan wrote: | | Opinionated wrote: | what is it with the retards like thally dirty dad a ticcan that makes them try to critise more than contribute to the thread topics.
Grow up you idiots  |
Yeah cos i never engage in debate on here lol |
you do but the other two dont |
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Dirty Dad
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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| the beak wrote: | | ticcan wrote: | | Opinionated wrote: | what is it with the retards like thally dirty dad a ticcan that makes them try to critise more than contribute to the thread topics.
Grow up you idiots |
Yeah cos i never engage in debate on here lol |
you do but the other two dont |
Then you haven't been paying attention. I've been in a few with OL in the past and was in one just yesterday - lol. Of course i am not going to start to searching and scanning through my post to dig up my past debates with people so you either see it or you don't. 
Though its funny to see people defending ammie with this one. I mean i understand she is OP's friend so one will be biased, but on this topic? lol, thats a joke, no one can deny her ignorance on this one.  |
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ammie
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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i dont see anyone defending me here
no one likes bullys huh |
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i defended you earlier
and no one likes a bully |
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ammie
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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| .? wrote: | i defended you earlier
and no one likes a bully |
aww did you
ta 
how you feeling today? |
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jango
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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I pity the groid.
I laugh at the cruel joke the universe has made of them.
Just enough sentience to be self aware, but not enough to do anything constructively about it. |
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Ceejayo
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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| jango wrote: | I pity the groid.
I laugh at the cruel joke the universe has made of them.
Just enough sentience to be self aware, but not enough to do anything constructively about it. |
Are you in the right forum, jango? The Star Trek convention is down the hall, I think? |
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ammie
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jango means negroid  |
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jango
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| ammie wrote: | | jango means negroid |
It knows what I mean Ammie, no need to explain.
One reason why some people become extremely hostile to anyone who violates a political correctness speech rule and utters some taboo truth is that the utterance of the truth serves as a reminder that others have been emasculated and silenced.
For some it is humiliating to be reminded of one's own submission to the enforcers of taboos. So they lash out at those who speak the unspeakable. |
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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| hello jango - long time no see |
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jango
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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| .? wrote: | | hello jango - long time no see |
Hello geezer, I know who you are
I've been very busy for a while now. I come on now and again still, but rarely post.
For a while there the quality of this forum became quite awful, and I wanted no part of it. I don't know how you could stand it.
Things appear to be a little better lately, although appearances can be deceptive. |
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jessjess
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| Ammie, how old are you? The things you are saying make me think you must be quite young, which just means you haven't experienced anything that would make you realise why some people would be offended by your comments. |
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Orwellian_Logic
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 11:53 pm Post subject: Re: ammie - Spokesperson for all Black people |
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| ticcan wrote: | They ('dark skinned people') never see themselves as English even if they lived here for a zillion years..its always boo hoo my great x 20 grandfather moved here from Africa so i feel attached to a land i have never ever been to.
So lets have your retraction then ammie. |
Ammie, don't worry about the bullies, they have nothing to say of worth so ignore them.
I will say you are partly correct, although there are those in the UK who have adopted British Culture and identity as their own. Although, those people are very few and far between. I was talking to a friend tonight of Windies parentage, who when he speaks to people born in the UK that say they're African, he says:
"Have you been to Africa? - No
Did Africa educate you? - No
Did Africa feed you and protect you? - No
Did Africa give you the freedoms to do what you can? - No
So if you like Africa so much go and live there. I may be of a different colour from many around me here, but that is the only difference. England is my home and is my culture. If you don't like it here then leave, no one's stopping you, but if you goto Africa, you'll never be looked on as and African, you may very well end up dead and your black skin won't be of any bonus".
This is what he said to me tonight. He is one of many of my friend's who are British Blacks and proud of it. Although the majority of Blacks I've met in London, born here are most certainly not British, but residents, who are a disgrace to the Nation, living in a country that has given them more than any African could.
Fuck the bullies Ammie. Like I said ignore them. I don't read any posts on here, not even the one made by Sman. He can have a conversation with himself for all I care and he seems to be doing it. |
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Orwellian_Logic
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 12:20 am Post subject: |
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| jango wrote: | | ammie wrote: | | jango means negroid |
It knows what I mean Ammie, no need to explain.
One reason why some people become extremely hostile to anyone who violates a political correctness speech rule and utters some taboo truth is that the utterance of the truth serves as a reminder that others have been emasculated and silenced.
For some it is humiliating to be reminded of one's own submission to the enforcers of taboos. So they lash out at those who speak the unspeakable. |
Good point Jango.
Few forget that the enforcement of racism within society only served to take away yet more freedoms and liberties from people. The saying "sticks and stones" has disappeared in society as we become a 'blame' culture enforced by American Law Suit culture.
If people don't like people because of their skin colour, nationality etc etc and don't want to employ them in their company then that's their prerogative and living in a country 'supposedly' democratic that values it's freedoms and liberties that shouldn't be a problem.
However, welcome to Orwell's 1984 where the Socialist, Fascist Government, along with the socialist fascist, Media and Education Systems, control what we do and whom we should like. It's wrong in our society to have personal choice whom we should like or dislike, but it's perfectly ok to enforce multiculturalism upon us because they deem it so.
A sad, fucked up country we live in and the morons on here really haven't got a clue about civil liberties whatsoever.
You are very correct in what you state. |
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Vibrance
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| ticcan wrote: | but you just stated that you dont know how all black ppl feel, nor i am sure have you spoken to all black ppl. So clearly you have absolutely no clue how most black ppl feel or what they 'go on about'
either you do know how they feel or you dont, you admitted you dont while claiming you did, which makes you ignorant (and stupid) |
not strictly true
and not knowing how they feel or not - doesnt equate to ignorance either
objectively speaking, that would mean being psychic is the only way to not be ignorant
therefore, what is being questioned here is whether ammies placement of feelings encompasses all black people.....
and all you need to do is find one single black person to disgree with her view and the argument can be thrown out
which would mean you are victorious
but further scrutiny, shows that there are still an overwhelming majority still not had there word within this argument
and going by the socially acceptable (in my eyes shite..but society loves it) majority consensus
ammie still upholds her argument
if you disagree, then you kindly speak for all black people then get back to her - as your opinion is still as valid as hers based on the above |
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ammie
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| jessjess wrote: | | Ammie, how old are you? The things you are saying make me think you must be quite young, which just means you haven't experienced anything that would make you realise why some people would be offended by your comments. |
Why would anyone be offended because i say that black people (yea yea ok not ALL ) harp on about being from Africa even when they have been born here in England ect... |
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ammie
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| Vibrance wrote: | | ticcan wrote: | but you just stated that you dont know how all black ppl feel, nor i am sure have you spoken to all black ppl. So clearly you have absolutely no clue how most black ppl feel or what they 'go on about'
either you do know how they feel or you dont, you admitted you dont while claiming you did, which makes you ignorant (and stupid) |
not strictly true
and not knowing how they feel or not - doesnt equate to ignorance either
objectively speaking, that would mean being psychic is the only way to not be ignorant
therefore, what is being questioned here is whether ammies placement of feelings encompasses all black people.....
and all you need to do is find one single black person to disgree with her view and the argument can be thrown out
which would mean you are victorious
but further scrutiny, shows that there are still an overwhelming majority still not had there word within this argument
and going by the socially acceptable (in my eyes shite..but society loves it) majority consensus
ammie still upholds her argument
if you disagree, then you kindly speak for all black people then get back to her - as your opinion is still as valid as hers based on the above |
I did generalise vibes  i did say all black people.. when of course i don't know every single black person in England, but then i did go on to say rarely they see themselves as English..but these guys by passed that and started with the usual insults yadda ya |
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jessjess
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| I dont know any Black people who harp on about being from Africa, most of them who have been born and raised in England consider themselves British with Black heritage. How many Black people do you know? |
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ammie
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 9:13 am Post subject: |
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| jessjess wrote: | | I dont know any Black people who harp on about being from Africa, most of them who have been born and raised in England consider themselves British with Black heritage. How many Black people do you know? |
Why not English with black heritage ? |
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jessjess
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English/ British nationality. British Passport, just being politically correct  |
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ammie
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 9:17 am Post subject: |
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| okey dokey |
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Dirty Dad
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 9:26 am Post subject: |
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| ammie wrote: | | Vibrance wrote: | | ticcan wrote: | but you just stated that you dont know how all black ppl feel, nor i am sure have you spoken to all black ppl. So clearly you have absolutely no clue how most black ppl feel or what they 'go on about'
either you do know how they feel or you dont, you admitted you dont while claiming you did, which makes you ignorant (and stupid) |
not strictly true
and not knowing how they feel or not - doesnt equate to ignorance either
objectively speaking, that would mean being psychic is the only way to not be ignorant
therefore, what is being questioned here is whether ammies placement of feelings encompasses all black people.....
and all you need to do is find one single black person to disgree with her view and the argument can be thrown out
which would mean you are victorious
but further scrutiny, shows that there are still an overwhelming majority still not had there word within this argument
and going by the socially acceptable (in my eyes shite..but society loves it) majority consensus
ammie still upholds her argument
if you disagree, then you kindly speak for all black people then get back to her - as your opinion is still as valid as hers based on the above |
I did generalise vibes i did say all black people.. when of course i don't know every single black person in England, but then i did go on to say rarely they see themselves as English..but these guys by passed that and started with the usual insults yadda ya |
| ammie wrote: | | ticcan wrote: | | ammie wrote: | | ticcan wrote: | | ammie wrote: | | anyhoos this is about a poor old lady getting attacked by another scumbag on our streets..he just happens to be black (again )..so dont turn this into another race thread |
You pointed out the colour of his skin |
yes another foreigner committing crimes in England..thats why |
You dont know where he is from
Are you not allowed to be English of you are not white? |
it isnt a case of not being allowed they never see themselves as English even if they lived here for a zillion years..its always boo hoo my great x 20 grandfather moved here from Africa so i feel attached to a land i have never ever been to |
Generlising #1
| ammie wrote: | | ticcan wrote: | | ticcan wrote: | | ammie wrote: |
they rarely do see themselves as English ..so you found two on here ..big deal |
Oh so now we have moved from 'Never' to 'Rarely'. Any further amendments?
Were you basing your blanket assertion that you knew what all black ppl think on anything other than your profound ignorance? |
Well ammie? |
well what
i am not ignorant... black people always harp on about being African or how their grandfather was blah blah blah |
And generalising #2.
Took less than two minutes to find. But of course one must remember you do have a short memory.
I for do not harp on about my grandfather or ancestors as you claim black people do so your argument or point is instantly blown away with nothing less but your ignorance.
It amuses me greatly that people here actually defend your ignorance, i read some of it earlier and was actually laughing in my seat. Had to show some of work collegues today.  |
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Laugh Out Loud
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| jessjess wrote: | | How many Black people do you know? |
She has said in the past that she doesn't have any black friends. I wonder why!
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ammie
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 9:29 am Post subject: |
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| ammie wrote: | | Vibrance wrote: | | ticcan wrote: | but you just stated that you dont know how all black ppl feel, nor i am sure have you spoken to all black ppl. So clearly you have absolutely no clue how most black ppl feel or what they 'go on about'
either you do know how they feel or you dont, you admitted you dont while claiming you did, which makes you ignorant (and stupid) |
not strictly true
and not knowing how they feel or not - doesnt equate to ignorance either
objectively speaking, that would mean being psychic is the only way to not be ignorant
therefore, what is being questioned here is whether ammies placement of feelings encompasses all black people.....
and all you need to do is find one single black person to disgree with her view and the argument can be thrown out
which would mean you are victorious
but further scrutiny, shows that there are still an overwhelming majority still not had there word within this argument
and going by the socially acceptable (in my eyes shite..but society loves it) majority consensus
ammie still upholds her argument
if you disagree, then you kindly speak for all black people then get back to her - as your opinion is still as valid as hers based on the above |
I did generalise vibes i did say all black people.. when of course i don't know every single black person in England, but then i did go on to say rarely they see themselves as English..but these guys by passed that and started with the usual insults yadda ya |
eh i already said that i was generalising like vibes said i cant speak for all black people..and neither can you. |
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Dirty Dad
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 9:35 am Post subject: |
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| Vibrance wrote: | | ticcan wrote: | but you just stated that you dont know how all black ppl feel, nor i am sure have you spoken to all black ppl. So clearly you have absolutely no clue how most black ppl feel or what they 'go on about'
either you do know how they feel or you dont, you admitted you dont while claiming you did, which makes you ignorant (and stupid) |
not strictly true
and not knowing how they feel or not - doesnt equate to ignorance either
objectively speaking, that would mean being psychic is the only way to not be ignorant
therefore, what is being questioned here is whether ammies placement of feelings encompasses all black people.....
and all you need to do is find one single black person to disgree with her view and the argument can be thrown out
which would mean you are victorious
but further scrutiny, shows that there are still an overwhelming majority still not had there word within this argument
and going by the socially acceptable (in my eyes shite..but society loves it) majority consensus
ammie still upholds her argument
if you disagree, then you kindly speak for all black people then get back to her - as your opinion is still as valid as hers based on the above |
ammie speaking generalising every black person with some BS is ignorance, Vibes. It wouldn't even surprise me if she hadn't even engaged in a face to face conversation with a single black person, let alone her coming out and speaking like she knows what every person thinks or feels.
I posted in the first page and stated, i was black and consider myself to British, not sure you noticed on the first page, which left her argument completely dead and buried.
If i came out and generalised every white person in a negative manner then that would be classed as me being ignorant, as i do not know what every white person feels or think, i would be assuming and it'll be silly assumption at that. Do you not agree? If i came out and said that you yourself think and act in a certain way based upon your race when i don't know you from Adam would you not think i'm ignorant? If that answer is no, then fair enough and the discussion will be over.  |
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