[dp54]

I just wanted to warn people of some losers on Gumtree coning innocent people out of money, I was unfortunate enough to lose out on £400 to a so called letting comany Rightmove Enterprises LTD, I've investigated further and they have many adverts on Gumtree for Studio flats or 1 Bedroom apartments, please beware of low lifes like these as I would hate for someone else to go through this. I've included the emails that were sent. I started off emailing the contact Tom reed here was his reply....then I was told to email this so called agency...



Original Message-----
From: Thomas Reed <tomreed00@googlemail.com>
To: perryd54@aol.com
Sent: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 8:35
Subject: Re: Flat in mitcham


Hello,

This sounds great.i appreciate that you have interest in it.You have to know that
This sounds great, but I`m using an agency to make this deal, and to start it you just have to send your full name and adress,
date of birth, identity number.The name of the company is Rightmove Enterprises( please check it on www.yell.com ). You can send your details at rmenterprises@london.com.
They will tell you what to do and "guide" you in this deal step by step.

Hope to hear from you soon,
Thank you!


On Dec 6, 2007 8:10 PM, < perryd54@aol.com> wrote:

Hi, I'm just enquiring about the flat in mitcham advertised on gumtree on 18/11 as I'm interested in renting it.

kind regards


This is the reply from Rightmoves:

Original Message-----
From: rightmove enterprises <rmenterprises@london.com>
To: Perryd54@aol.com
Sent: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 14:02
Subject: Re: studio flat in mitcham



Dear Sir,

Thank you for contacting us.
The id number is being asked for foreigners(people born outside London).You can fin it on your passport.
We would like to know on what period of time you are interested to rent the property
and also when do you have in mind to move in it.
We are waiting for your response.
Thank you for choosing Rightmove Enterprises.


Have a nice day!

Original Message-----
From: rightmove enterprises <rmenterprises@london.com>
To: perryd54@aol.com
Sent: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 12:10
Subject: Re: studio flat in mitcham


Dear Sir/Madame,

We will arrange a meeting between you and one of our agents.In order to meet with our agent,first you will have to transfer him via Money Gram, on his name and address,a deposit representing the rent for the first month.After he will check the money online, he will immediately get in touch with you so you two can establish a meeting to go and see the flat.
If you like it and agree with the conditions offered and will move in it,
this money will be deducted from the contract(the rent for the first month),and if you don`t like it he will return the money to you in the momment you will say you don`t like it.

Here are our agent`s details on wich you have to send the payment:

First Name: Alan
Second Name: Skinner
Address: 7 PAPWORTH WAY
City:LONDON
PostCode:SW2 2NL

To make the payment with the service of Money Gram please go to a Money Gram office near you with the cash of the money
and the Money Gram agent will give you every information that you need to do the transfer.
For more information contact us.

Thank You!

Rightmove Enterprises

-----Original Message-----
From: rightmove enterprises <rmenterprises@london.com>
To: perryd54@aol.com
Sent: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:45
Subject: Re: studio flat in mitcham


Dear Sir,

You have our confirmation that the transfer will be made through Money Gram.It is safe and secure.All you have to do is to visit the nearest Money Gram office and send the deposit required.You have our agent`s full name and adress.After you have made the deposit of £400 representing the rent for the first month,we are waiting for your confirmation(the reference number).We will forward it to our agent,and after he makes sure that the deposit is real he will get in contact with you immediately.
You do not have to worry about anything regarding this transfer.A Money Gram agent will guide you and explain you what to do.We will contact our agent now and inform him about your decision,so he can be prepared for a meeting with you.He is on the field now.
We are waiting for your answer.

Thank you,
RightMove Enteprises


-----Original Message-----
From: rightmove enterprises <rmenterprises@london.com>
To: perryd54@aol.com
Sent: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:21
Subject: Re: studio flat in mitcham



Dear Sir,

Thank you for getting back to us with the correct reference number.We will contact now our agent and forward him the reference number so he can check it.We will call you at one of those two phone numbers you gave us.You will decide the our for the meeting.

Thank you for your patience,

RightMove Enterprises


After me putting in the money I got this last email and heard nothing more.
-----Original Message-----
From: rightmove enterprises <rmenterprises@london.com>
To: perryd54@aol.com
Sent: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:38
Subject: Studio Flat In Mitcham



Dear Sir,

We apologise for our delayed response.We received the reference number from you and we forwarded to our agent.If he didn`t contacted you yet,he will do it,do not have any worries.

Thank you,
RightMove Enterprises

----- Original Message -----
From: perryd54@aol.com
To: rmenterprises@london.com
Subject: Re Studio Flat In Mitcham
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:21:25 -0500

Hello

I sent a sent an e-mail earlier today as to whats happening in regards to someone calling me about a meeting to view the property, i take it that your agent got the right money gram reference? please let me know asap.


Regards



So I lost out on £400 because I was stupid and gullible, please don't make the same mistake. NEVER GIVE MONEY BEFORE YOU HAVE VIEWED A PROPERTY.

[Michelle200273]

I was in contact with these people yesterday and I had a feeling they were trying to scam me, it just didn't seem right. I also started off talking to Tom Reed as I was interested in the flat for rent and he passed me onto this agency (obviosly its just the same person). When I asked if I could see the property first he basically said it wasn't possible (read below) STAY WELL CLEAR OF THESE PEOPLE, i also think they operate under different email address arthurwiggins@googlemail.com renting a place in Brixton edrog9@googlemail.com renting out a studio flat in Herne Hill is the same person STAY AWAY. When they could see I wasn'nt keen on putting money in Moneygram they gave up pretty quick. I feel sorry for the guy who lost his money to these people.


Thomas Reed <tomreed00@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hello,

It is still available, but I use an agency to make this deal.To start it you just have to send your full name and adress,
date of birth, identity number.The name of the company is Rightmove Enterprises( please check it on www.yell.com ). You can send your details at rmenterprises@london.com.
They will tell you what to do and "guide" you in this deal step by step.

Hope to hear from you soon,
Thank you!


On Dec 17, 2007 1:57 PM, Michelle A <michelle200273@yahoo.com> wrote:

I saw a flat to rent in Mitcham on Gumtree for £100 per week, any chance that it's still available?

Michelle


rightmove enterprises <rmenterprises@london.com> wrote:

Dear Sir/Madame,

We will arrange a meeting between you and one of our agents.In order to meet with our agent,first you will have to transfer him via Money Gram, on his name and address,a deposit of £400 representing the rent for the first month.After he will check the money online, he will immediately get in touch with you so you two can establish a meeting to go and see the flat.
If you like it and agree with the conditions offered and will move in it,
this money will be deducted from the contract(the rent for the first month),and if you don`t like it he will return the money to you in the momment you will say you don`t like it.

Here are our agent`s details on wich you have to send the payment:

First Name: Alan
Second Name: Skinner
Address: 7 PAPWORTH WAY
City:LONDON
PostCode:SW2 2NL

To make the payment with the service of Money Gram please go to a Money Gram office near you with the cash of the money
and the Money Gram agent will give you every information that you need to do the transfer.
For more information contact us.

Thank You!

Rightmove Enterprises

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michelle A"
To: "rightmove enterprises"
Subject: Re: letting
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:04:22 -0800 (PST)


hi,

Thanks for such a quick response. Is there any chance I could get to view the property first before depositing the funds? I would be interested in moving in before Christmas.

many thanks

Michelle




rightmove enterprises <rmenterprises@london.com> wrote:
Dear Madame,

You have to know that this is the procedure.We are using this method since 2002.Our politic is different from other agencies.For example,other agencies are asking the tenants fees.We are not doing that,instead we are asking just a deposit representing rent for a month.You have our agent`s full address and name, and you will have the Money Gram paper as a receipt, you don`t have to worry about your money, they won`t be withdrawn by him.
He just needs to check them online, just to make sure that someone is waiting for him at the property.
After you`ll see the property, if you agree to move in it the deposit will be credited as rent for the first month, and if you don`t like it and won`t move in it.You`ll go with the agent at the first Money Gram Office, he will withdraw the money and return them to you.
Everything is simple, he just needs to check the money online.

Thank You
RightMove Enterprises



Just becareful, if something doesn't seem right, it probably is'nt.

[Bluey]

There is a real company called Rightmove Enterprises Ltd which can be verified by looking at the web-check service of the Companies House website. However, scammers often cite genuine companies for their scams.

Though you may well have done this, I've notified Gumtree admin.

See our stay safe info here

http://www.gumtree.com/help/stay_safe#item73

o View properties in person. Gumtree is a local community site and we encourage face-to-face, local, trading. People willing to rent a property without seeing it/ or the prospective tenant first, even if they claim that it is because they are currently overseas, are unlikely to be legitimate. For personal ease and safety, always ensure you take someone with you, or if you are inviting someone into your home ask to see personal identification first.

o It is illegal for agencies in the UK to charge fees for viewing properties/ property listings. Please report to us any agencies advertising on Gumtree that ask for fees upfront.

o Never send or wire money to landlords. This includes never mailing a cheque or using payment services like Bidpay, Western Union or Money Gram to pay for items found on Gumtree. It is our belief that these forms of funds transfer are favoured by fraudsters.

o Gumtree doesn’t offer any sort of buyer protection/ payment programs. Any emails that talk about such systems are scams, even if they may have the Gumtree logo. If you receive any emails promoting these services, please report it to us .

o Never provide your personal or banking information (e.g. credit card number) to others over the Internet.

o Make yourself aware of common scams and fraud - see our Scam Watch section. Do not believe the promise of large sums of money for your help in any task.

o Report to us any attempted fraud or suspicious emails, ads, or other activity by community members. In case of fraud, we also recommend that you report it to the Police.

o Use common sense. If something sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

[Mr_X]

Strange how your replies come from rmenterprises@london.com , as the domain london.com is a parked domain redirecting to londontown.com, a reputable London Information Website.

However, it may be forged. There are programs that can send fake email addresses in the FROM field.

As Bluey said check the gumtree's guide to stay safe and avoid scams.

They asked you to send payment to

[fezucasantiago]

Yeah, they never stop... I was naive and not carefull enough. Lost £400,00 as well for the same Mr Alan Skinner. Bastards.

[zafforan]

The scum strike again: -


http://www.gumtree.com/london/58/16251958.html

thanks everyone who reported about it on this forum.

Hope the scammer chokes on every penny they have stolen...

[Michelle200273]

I've recieved another email from these losers again, they now don't want to use Moneygram but Western Union and the agent is now called James Brenner, please read the email below


Dear Madame,

We apologise but mr Alan Skinner is away with business.In this same situation are all our field agents in London.We have contacted another agent of our`s and he agreed to finish this deal with you.You have to know that now he is in Milano, Italy to make the final arrangements for a deal.He will arrive in London in aproximately two days.He will meet with you in order to visit the property as soon as he arrives in London.If you are ready to make the deposit representing rent for the first month,we will give you his details:

First Name:James
Last Name:Brenner
Adress: via Cola Montano,8
City: Milano
Postcode:20159
Country: Italy

Please make the payment with the services of Western Union because we are not satisfied anymore of the services offered by Money Gram.Many tenants were not serious and we have some problems because of that.You realise that our agent must check the deposit so he can be sure that you will be waiting for him at the property.When you are ready,you can visit a Western Union office and make the deposit required.We are asking you to trust us and we will finish this deal in two days.Then you will be able to move in your new property.

Thank you for your time!

DO NOT TRUST THESE PEOPLE.

[FunkyT]

I am sorry to hear of your experiences.

We actively encourage all kinds of feedback, especially the sort that helps us keep the site free from “rubbish” & "scam" ads. If you come across any ad that you feel we should look at on Gumtree.com, please use the "Report this ad to Gumtree admin for review" button that can be found on the bottom right-hand corner of all ads.

Thanks for the email address's, I will take further action with this.

As per Bluey's advise - Keep an eye on our Stay Safe section (link below)

[ShallWeDanceTonight?]

You guys sent £400 via an untracable method to a person you had not met, and did't even know of they were in the UK?

Er ...

[montyzuma]

well d'oh, it aint been a cheap lesson but you wont do it again.

[ShallWeDanceTonight?]

[thesinginggardener]

I ALSO GOT THIS EMAIL THIS MORNING. MANY THANKS FOR YOUR ORIGINAL POSTING.


Hello,

The location is Queensthorpe Rd Sydenham, London and it is available now!
If you are interested,I`m using an agency for this deal.To start it you just have to send your full name and adress,date of birth, identity number.The name of the company is Rightmove Enterprises( please check it on www.yell.com ). You can send your details at rmenterprises@london.com .
They will tell you what to do and "guide" you in this deal step by step.

Hope to hear from you soon,
Thank you!

Steve Aguilar (0saguilar0@gmail.com)

[spanishuptowngirl]

I was interested in a flat in East Dulwich and received exactly the same email as you posted above requesting me to give my details to someone on that email address. I thought it didn't soudn right, so I did a quick search and found this post. Thank you for posting it here, it will prevent other people from making the same mistake or losing their time with this people. By the way, isn't there a way to report them to police or something?

[don2006]

Want to report another fraudster. She says that she lives in Greece (Athens) and lets her beautiful 1-bedroom apartment on Cleveland Square (close to Paddington tube station) just for 500 pounds per month!
And of course, she asks for 3 months rent to be transferred via Western Union in advance!

Her name is Yasmina. E-mail: yassmin2@gmail.com

Beware!

[gn1983]

AVOID PAUL RUSSELL ALSO - TRYING TO SELL A FLAT IN PIMLICO russellpaul40@yahoo.co.uk


"Hi,
I work in a hospital and is very hard for me to come in UK. I can't take the risk to leave my new job for days and when I arrive in UK to see that I come for nothing. I want to be 100% sure that when I will meet you, we do the rent papers then i can come back in Italy.
So i can be sure of that look how we can do:
You make the payment from your name and address to your best friend name and address in UK using MoneyGram for 2 months rent that means 1040 GBP and send me the scanned receipt. As soon as I see the scanned receipt that you have made the payment...." etc etc

[bigblueeyes]

definately worth reporting to the police its a genuine london address, would of suggested getting a load of hefty blokes together and giving them a kicking but after seeing what area it is i'd leave it to the pro's!