[Realist]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7513416.stm

People should clearly have more respect for the police. However, I wonder if the attitude of the police officers involved may play a part in this incident. I say this as I recently saw a girl of ~17 setup a music stand in a Royal Park obviously with the intent to busk with the classic instrument she had with her. Two police officers in front of me also saw her and rather than having a quite word adopted an aggressive tone threatening her with arrest if she attempted to play again. It was the kind of confrontation that I would expect them to have had with someone caught vandalising something rather than a otherwise well behaved young adult who clearly did not know the park bye-laws.

In the end the police need the cooperation of the majority in order to work effectively. Such behaviour did not endear them to me at least.

[Jay1965]

i am former Trinidad & Tobago army, and the majority of the work we did was cop work, or providing support for the cops, everything from anti-kidnapping to providing security for sporting and showbiz events etc.

anyways, in comparison to cops in Trinidad and the Caribbean in general, English cops are way too timid and put up with far too much back chat imo

and English yobs know this and take advantage

and when the yobs are mob-handed, like in the link you posted, they feel brave because they know that English cops have one hand tied behind their back in regard to how much force they can use

that same mob would never behave like that in Trinidad because they would get their shit blown away

[Realist]

I could believe that, but my point is more that I would expect police officers here to use their judgement and save the bad cop routine for those more deserving of it. The initial approach should always be courteous unless they judge that the situation has already gone past that stage.

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its down to useless parents

more interested in getting pissed or blobbing out ion front of the telly or computer than actually being parents

we are creating the grunt generation

[HowItIs]

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Its a win win.. Parents are off their heads and happy. Kids get to roam wild and are happy. Government gets to waste our tax money on more fucking community support officers and all the sad lonely people who have never worked or contributed anything to society suddenly have jobs. Needless to say they are happy too.. or can't believe their luck more like.

Seriously; 20 grand a year to work 4 days on 4 days off, for 8 hour shifts, wandering about in the sun talking to shop owners and schoolchildren.

Apply today and next week you can be in the job. I think it's a four day course to gain your yellow jacket

[HowItIs]

[NumptyDumpty]

[Jewsiff Huxtick]

[YID IN ST.A]

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[Hi again]

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Coincidentally, the night before I heard about this, I had watched "Traffic Cops" on which a young black guy was stopped.
His attitude was the worst example of a black with a huge chip on his shoulder.
If that is what the Police have to put up with, I'm not surprised they behave the way they are alleged to in this thread.

[Hi again]

I gather that numerous arrests were made. I hope they get the shit kicked out of them in the holding cells.
I found this whole thing shocking.

[he's_a_very_naughty_boy]

I saw the article and part of the video but I have to be blunt here and I'll say I have little respect for the police from watching them abuse their power in many situations.
They shouldn't have asked the children to pick up the paper. Don't get me wrong the child should've put it in the bin but that's down to bad parenting.
I've seen situations where police arrest children or others for simply speaking back. They should be out and about catching real criminals instead of their continued abuse of power.

We also have a situation where the Police are the victims of their own stupidity. They back government policy and the government has destroyed the family and all codes of discipline and respect. They have now made it legal FOR people to defend themselves from attack and burglars and can use excessive force, something which they should never have removed in the first place.
We also have a situation where police command no respect. I saw one the other day, a woman, who must have been about 4'8. I laughed. I see male cops like pipe cleaners that would be blown over in a light breeze.

Don't get me wrong, many children are out of control but the police and the govenment have themselves to blame for that and any attacks on the police by children have brought it upon themselves. When you detroy the respect from society for the Police, it takes a long time for it to come back again. Well done NuLabour.

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[he's_a_very_naughty_boy]

[Hi again]

I don't believe a CHILD would pick up the piece of litter and then throw it at the Police which is apparently what happened. Most of the mob were teenagers but we all know how big these black fuckers can be. Why d'you think the Egyptians got Nubian slaves to build the Pyramids for them? However, 2 men in their 30's were among the arrests so obviously some adults joined in too.
And yes some policemen let the uniform go to their heads. However, they should NOT be physically molested by ANY member of the public. If they are going to be, it will just come to the bit where they are armed and then the smart little fuckers will just be shot dead.

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