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jon1026
Joined: 23 Jun 2009 Posts: 7
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:29 am Post subject: Ultimate Finance Ltd |
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| Has anybody had any dealings with Ultimate Finance Ltd of Bristol. They are a factoring company and I dealt with them when I had my business. All went well until I decided not to continue with them having given them the statutory notice period. I could not speak to them only being referred to their solicitor. I had to take them to court to get sight of my sales ledger and funds in use account. When I received them, I was horrified to see they had taken £24765.00 in additional service fee. Any information would be useful |
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Ian J
Joined: 27 Sep 2009 Posts: 6 Location: Midlands
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Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:27 am Post subject: |
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I am a specialist factoring broker and am well aware that some of the factoring companies out there are not all they are cracked up to be but in my extensive experience of the market I am pleased to say that Ultimate Finance are one of the good guys and I have never had one single complaint from the many companies that I have placed with them.
I did speak to Ultimate (at director level) about your complaint some time ago when you posted a similar complaint elsewhere and suffice it to say in my opinion you got off lightly considering the many breaches of the factoring agreement that you had made. |
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montyzuma Community Moderator
Joined: 25 Jul 2007 Posts: 7536
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Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:33 am Post subject: |
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| how did you know it was him? how did you know he posted elsewhere? |
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jon1026
Joined: 23 Jun 2009 Posts: 7
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Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 12:27 pm Post subject: Ultimate Finance |
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Ian, that was a very interesting post. However, as you admitted, you are a broker and therefore dependent on people like Ultimate Finance for your bread and butter. A number of issues from your post have come to light and therefore clarification is required. But let me caution you first as to the information in the public domain has to be accurate otherwise it is open to all sorts of legal action. The facts in my original post are correct and court papers are available for all to see as are the relevent accounts. If your bank suddenly took literally thousands in unscheduled charges, how would you feel. Legal action against ultimate is continuing. If you feel your reputation is important to you, then be careful who you recommend to them. All will go well until they wish to leave and go elsewhere.
Please answer these questions:-
How am I in breach of my agreement?
How do you know this unless Ultimate Breached the data protection act and discussed with you in depth (as it would appear for you to make that accusation).
This is further proof of not trusting this company. Sheep in wolves clothing springs to mind |
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jon1026
Joined: 23 Jun 2009 Posts: 7
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Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 1:42 pm Post subject: Ultimate Finance |
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Hi Montyzuma,
That was a very interesting point you raised. I bet you won't get an answer. |
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montyzuma Community Moderator
Joined: 25 Jul 2007 Posts: 7536
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Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Jon
Does seem a bit strange to respond to a 3 month old post
what does it have to do with him?  |
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jon1026
Joined: 23 Jun 2009 Posts: 7
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Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 1:49 pm Post subject: Ultimate Finance |
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| I suspect he is a member of Ultimate Finance and just spotted the post. He is trying to camaulflage himself in brokers clothing. Another case of a financial institution defending their extortionate charges. How to get rich on the back of others. |
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montyzuma Community Moderator
Joined: 25 Jul 2007 Posts: 7536
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Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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Stranger things have happened  |
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jon1026
Joined: 23 Jun 2009 Posts: 7
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Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 2:40 pm Post subject: Ultimate Finance |
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I totally agree, but what would be even more strange, is if Ultimate Finance decided to repay the money they owe without recourse to legal action, but we all know about flying pigs and all that
You never know, this 3 month old post may just start getting read and commented upon now that Ian started the defence of our friends at Ultimate |
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montyzuma Community Moderator
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Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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Hold on there, Lone Ranger
who is this "we" of whom you speak?
I know nowt about your problem
but wish you all the best in getting it resolved.
I just commented that I found it strange that a one-off poster
should come on and revive a 3 month old post
and seem to know a lot about it. |
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jon1026
Joined: 23 Jun 2009 Posts: 7
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:18 am Post subject: Ultimate Finance |
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| Hi Montyzuma, the we was in the Royal "We", not incorporating you in my battles with a financial institution who portrays honesty and integrity yet, like many banks, will impose hidden unfair charges. Grateful for your observations and comments. Like you, I thought a 3 month old post would now be dead in the water |
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montyzuma Community Moderator
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:22 am Post subject: |
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No Probs jon,
hope you get things sorted out |
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Ian J
Joined: 27 Sep 2009 Posts: 6 Location: Midlands
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 2:48 pm Post subject: Re: Ultimate Finance |
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| jon1026 wrote: | | I suspect he is a member of Ultimate Finance and just spotted the post. He is trying to camaulflage himself in brokers clothing. |
My details are in my profile and you can see that I'm exactly who I claim to be |
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Russet Guzzler

Joined: 22 Feb 2009 Posts: 1565 Location: Near Stokey Fire Station
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Ian J wrote: | I am a specialist factoring broker and am well aware that some of the factoring companies out there are not all they are cracked up to be but in my extensive experience of the market I am pleased to say that Ultimate Finance are one of the good guys and I have never had one single complaint from the many companies that I have placed with them.
I did speak to Ultimate (at director level) about your complaint some time ago when you posted a similar complaint elsewhere and suffice it to say in my opinion you got off lightly considering the many breaches of the factoring agreement that you had made. |
Is it usual for Financial Institutions to discuss their clients' details with outsiders who would appear to have no connection with the said client?
This would be regarded as a serious breach of ethics in Oz |
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Ian J
Joined: 27 Sep 2009 Posts: 6 Location: Midlands
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:34 pm Post subject: Re: Ultimate Finance |
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| jon1026 wrote: | let me caution you first as to the information in the public domain has to be accurate otherwise it is open to all sorts of legal action.
How am I in breach of my agreement?
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Firstly you would find it difficult to take legal action against me as you are talking about defamation and as you are not identifiable (real name isn't even Jon) I am not defaming anyone.
Your original post gives the impression that you decided to dispense with the services of the factoring company, gave them statutory notice and they charged your account with quite a lot of extra fees.
The reality was that the factors had been alerted to the fact that you were operating a Vat fraud having been trading for several years and charging your customers Vat without ever bothering to register for Vat but you fraudulently pocketed the money and as a result they ceased funding your business.
Your staff all walked out as they weren't paid and as a result you ceased trading - not quite how you portrayed it is is ?
You are correct in your comment that as a factoring broker I derive my income from companies like Ultimate but as a successful factoring broker I can pick and choose who I deal with from the many factors out there all clamouring for my business. I choose to deal with Ultimate as they offer an excellent and ethical service to their clients. |
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LondonChap

Joined: 07 Sep 2009 Posts: 1035
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 6:04 pm Post subject: Re: Ultimate Finance |
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| Ian J wrote: | | jon1026 wrote: | let me caution you first as to the information in the public domain has to be accurate otherwise it is open to all sorts of legal action.
How am I in breach of my agreement?
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Firstly you would find it difficult to take legal action against me as you are talking about defamation and as you are not identifiable (real name isn't even Jon) I am not defaming anyone.
Your original post gives the impression that you decided to dispense with the services of the factoring company, gave them statutory notice and they charged your account with quite a lot of extra fees.
The reality was that the factors had been alerted to the fact that you were operating a Vat fraud having been trading for several years and charging your customers Vat without ever bothering to register for Vat but you fraudulently pocketed the money and as a result they ceased funding your business.
Your staff all walked out as they weren't paid and as a result you ceased trading - not quite how you portrayed it is is ?
You are correct in your comment that as a factoring broker I derive my income from companies like Ultimate but as a successful factoring broker I can pick and choose who I deal with from the many factors out there all clamouring for my business. I choose to deal with Ultimate as they offer an excellent and ethical service to their clients. |
ah , but you can be traced via your post ,
Gumtree has helped the police out with many arrests of late |
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Russet Guzzler

Joined: 22 Feb 2009 Posts: 1565 Location: Near Stokey Fire Station
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 6:52 pm Post subject: Re: Ultimate Finance |
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| LondonChap wrote: | ah , but you can be traced via your post ,
Gumtree has helped the police out with many arrests of late |
Just to clarify: it's not Ian J's identity that's the issue (after all, he has a company website in his profile with contact details) - the point is whether jon1026 is readily identifiable by third parties and if his reputation is likely to be damaged by reading Ian J's posts should they be judged libellous...
BTW, how many is many when you claim "Gumtree has helped police out with many arrests of late"? |
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montyzuma Community Moderator
Joined: 25 Jul 2007 Posts: 7536
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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ianj can you please remove your advert from your signature.
regardless of the rights and wrongs of this particular case, I am astonished that someone should come onto an open forum and speak out in such a way, were I to be looking for a company to be providing such a service, I dont think I'd be considering this one, you really have to wonder about his motivation. |
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Ian J
Joined: 27 Sep 2009 Posts: 6 Location: Midlands
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="montyzuma"]Let me get this straight. It seems to be acceptable for someone to make defamatory statements about a respectable company on an open forum whilst hiding behind a cloak of anonymity but anyone who tries to defend them has suspect motives.
Strange forum you have here |
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montyzuma Community Moderator
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you, we do our best.
Can you remove your ad please.
2nd warning then you get deleted |
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Ian J
Joined: 27 Sep 2009 Posts: 6 Location: Midlands
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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| montyzuma wrote: | Can you remove your ad please.
2nd warning then you get deleted |
What ad are you talking about? I see no ad |
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montyzuma Community Moderator
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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| the www link in your profile |
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Russet Guzzler

Joined: 22 Feb 2009 Posts: 1565 Location: Near Stokey Fire Station
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Ian J wrote: | Let me get this straight. It seems to be acceptable for someone to make defamatory statements about a respectable company on an open forum whilst hiding behind a cloak of anonymity but anyone who tries to defend them has suspect motives.
Strange forum you have here |
I suggest it's your allegation that a company would pass on such information about a client to a disinterested third party and that you'd post it here that's questionable |
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Ian J
Joined: 27 Sep 2009 Posts: 6 Location: Midlands
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 1:56 pm Post subject: Re: Ultimate Finance |
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| Ian J wrote: | | My details are in my profile and you can see that I'm exactly who I claim to be |
My details are no longer in my profile as despite having a section for inserting one's website it would appear that one is not allowed to use it.
Anyway - those that were quick enough to have looked will see that I am exactly who I said I am.
I post regularly on many forums and even moderate a couple but I must admit that I've never come across one quite like this before. |
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Russet Guzzler

Joined: 22 Feb 2009 Posts: 1565 Location: Near Stokey Fire Station
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 2:06 pm Post subject: Re: Ultimate Finance |
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| Ian J wrote: | | Ian J wrote: | | My details are in my profile and you can see that I'm exactly who I claim to be |
My details are no longer in my profile as despite having a section for inserting one's website it would appear that one is not allowed to use it.
Anyway - those that were quick enough to have looked will see that I am exactly who I said I am.
I post regularly on many forums and even moderate a couple but I must admit that I've never come across one quite like this before. |
Your website also gives the impression you're more than who you say you are - your company, your trade association and the other named members come across as being remarkably similar |
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