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Smitty

Joined: 16 Jul 2009 Posts: 102
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Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 12:04 pm Post subject: Namibia/Botswana/Vic Falls |
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Afternoon all,
I am planning a trip to Namibia and Botswana that will take in the main highlights of namibia, victoria falls and the delta in Botswana.
I have found a few overland trips that will do this trip in 21 days (its a Cape Town to Livingstone overland tour) which looks very similar to what I wanted to do.
If anyone has any information for this sort of trip in this area such as good overland companies, a specific tour that they have been on, or even just any info about the area, I would love to hear about it. I am currently looking for a reliable tour company so anybody's own experiences with tour companies in this region would be very useful
I am currently planning on undertaking this trip on my own, so I would also be interested in hearing from anyone who might be interested in doing this trip with me (male or female). If we can get a couple of people together we could do it as a private safari rather than an overland trip if that's what you would prefer.
I'm a 30 yr old single hetero male, from north of england. |
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xchaotic
Joined: 08 May 2009 Posts: 4
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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Normally I'm very adventurous and I laugh about things that people usually fear (like losing passport or cc), but even I must warn you that is a dangerous area, unfortunately.
I have an uncle in Southern Africa and when I was last there, I was mugged twice, guys wielding knives etc, and supposedly things have become much worse since then. Finally that was in Johannesburg, and supposedly, it's much worse than that in Zimbabwe and Botswana.
Finally, assuming you are white you will stand out from the crowd a little bit and my personal impression is that you will get assaulted at the slightest hint of possessing anything worth more than £10, which you inevitably will have (say shoes).
Of course to counter that there's probably 95% of very friendly people and most importantly, the most beautiful nature in the world.
I suppose if you go with an organised trip, you're much safer, but I rarely enjoyed trips with a set program as I like to explore things on my own... |
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Charlotte88
Joined: 20 Jul 2009 Posts: 4
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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 7:28 am Post subject: |
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| Hi I just got back from 8 weeks overlanding with Africatravelco.com. It was fantastic, and the best leg was the Cape Town to Vic Falls one, lots to see and do, not too much time in the truck. The crew were great, the food was very good and the passengers were good fun too. Chobe NP was great, delta was a bit disappointing but overall the whole trip was fantastic.There are loads of other companies going up and down that route too. |
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Smitty

Joined: 16 Jul 2009 Posts: 102
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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:30 am Post subject: |
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| xchaotic wrote: | Normally I'm very adventurous and I laugh about things that people usually fear (like losing passport or cc), but even I must warn you that is a dangerous area, unfortunately.
I have an uncle in Southern Africa and when I was last there, I was mugged twice, guys wielding knives etc, and supposedly things have become much worse since then. Finally that was in Johannesburg, and supposedly, it's much worse than that in Zimbabwe and Botswana.
Finally, assuming you are white you will stand out from the crowd a little bit and my personal impression is that you will get assaulted at the slightest hint of possessing anything worth more than £10, which you inevitably will have (say shoes).
Of course to counter that there's probably 95% of very friendly people and most importantly, the most beautiful nature in the world.
I suppose if you go with an organised trip, you're much safer, but I rarely enjoyed trips with a set program as I like to explore things on my own... |
I have travelled to Africa quite a few times before so am fully versed on what to expect.
Zimbabwe was a country, funnily enough, I was planning to avoid.
Thanks for your input, but to be honest, i think your own experiences have, understandably, overshadowed your opinions of these countries. The many times I have been to Africa I have not once felt threatened and have certainly never been assaulted over a pair of old trainers.
South Africa is a notorious hot bed for violent crime, but I have not heard that Botswana is worse than SA before.
I think it is the same any country/city that you travel to. Common sense prevails - keep your wits about you, don't walk down unlit back streets at night, know where the no-go areas are, don't take part in any large public demo's etc etc etc.
I normally prefer travelling independently as well, but as I am travelling on my own to a country I am unfamiliar with, it is best for me to look for an overland tour rather than doing a self-drive or something. |
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Smitty

Joined: 16 Jul 2009 Posts: 102
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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:34 am Post subject: |
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| Charlotte88 wrote: | | Hi I just got back from 8 weeks overlanding with Africatravelco.com. It was fantastic, and the best leg was the Cape Town to Vic Falls one, lots to see and do, not too much time in the truck. The crew were great, the food was very good and the passengers were good fun too. Chobe NP was great, delta was a bit disappointing but overall the whole trip was fantastic.There are loads of other companies going up and down that route too. |
Thanks for this.
I like the sound of the "not too much time in the truck"! I have no problems travelling and on this particular tour I am aware I have a lot to pack in and therefore travel is essential, but to know it can be done and to still have time to leave the truck occasionally is good.
Can you tell me what the age ranges (estimate obviously) of your tour was?
I'm not too interested in getting on a tour with all 18 year olds or all 60 year olds!  |
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Charlotte88
Joined: 20 Jul 2009 Posts: 4
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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:41 am Post subject: |
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My experience was as follows: Cape Town I saw someone get mugged and there were warnings in the hotels to be very careful at cash machines but I didn't have any problems myself
Namibia & Botswana I felt very safe
Zimbabwe - I spent 3 days in Vic Falls - yes, you get a lot of hassle from locals wanting your clothes (and your money!) but they are a friendly enough lot, just having a very tough time at the moment. Buy a few things off them and if you have some clothes you don't want, then take them with you
Just follow the usual advice of being careful after dark and not having much cash on you, just in case, and you should be fine. I am going back to Africa soon to travel on my own, as having done the truck trip I have no fears about travelling alone there |
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lorrina30
Joined: 22 Jul 2009 Posts: 10 Location: Herts
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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 10:09 am Post subject: |
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Hiya,
I've done quite a lot of research into tour companies doing this kind of trip because im going from kenya to cape town in jan.
The one I eventually decided on is called Acacia, I didn't find any negative reviews for them just positive! |
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Charlotte88
Joined: 20 Jul 2009 Posts: 4
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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 10:18 am Post subject: |
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| Acacia are one of the best - less people and more room than a lot of the trucks. And your own luggage locker too, so I hear. I went with Africa TRavel Co and they were very good too |
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Smitty

Joined: 16 Jul 2009 Posts: 102
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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 10:46 am Post subject: |
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| Charlotte88 wrote: | My experience was as follows: Cape Town I saw someone get mugged and there were warnings in the hotels to be very careful at cash machines but I didn't have any problems myself
Namibia & Botswana I felt very safe
Zimbabwe - I spent 3 days in Vic Falls - yes, you get a lot of hassle from locals wanting your clothes (and your money!) but they are a friendly enough lot, just having a very tough time at the moment. Buy a few things off them and if you have some clothes you don't want, then take them with you
Just follow the usual advice of being careful after dark and not having much cash on you, just in case, and you should be fine. I am going back to Africa soon to travel on my own, as having done the truck trip I have no fears about travelling alone there |
Totally agree.
I'm only going on a tour really so that I have some friends!!  |
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Smitty

Joined: 16 Jul 2009 Posts: 102
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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 10:47 am Post subject: |
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| lorrina30 wrote: | Hiya,
I've done quite a lot of research into tour companies doing this kind of trip because im going from kenya to cape town in jan.
The one I eventually decided on is called Acacia, I didn't find any negative reviews for them just positive! |
Thanks, Acacia is one of my shorlist |
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Charlotte88
Joined: 20 Jul 2009 Posts: 4
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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 11:10 am Post subject: |
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| Age range on CT to VF leg was from 17 to 60!! There were 5 people in their 50's and 60's, one (me) in my 40's, the rest in 20's and 30's. Each leg changed as people joined and left. Apparantly older people ie 40+ tend to go south to north and younger ones tend to go north to south. Most of the trucks had the majority of people on their 20's and 30's, very few had any people 40+. It's a young person's trip, despite the cost. |
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lorrina30
Joined: 22 Jul 2009 Posts: 10 Location: Herts
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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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Oh dear I got that wrong then im mid 20s & im going north to south!
Don't mind a wide age range though as long as everyone is chilled out & not miserable!!
I personally prefer doing tours most of the time because I like getting to know people really well & making friends for life. When I back packed maybe I was just un-lucky but most people seemed to be moving on at different times to me so every few days I was having to start again & make new friends  |
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lorrina30
Joined: 22 Jul 2009 Posts: 10 Location: Herts
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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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oh I just re-read your post charlotte, I am going the right way!!  |
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tweetie_boid

Joined: 07 Aug 2009 Posts: 126 Location: SA - Western Cape
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Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Smitty wrote: | | xchaotic wrote: | Normally I'm very adventurous and I laugh about things that people usually fear (like losing passport or cc), but even I must warn you that is a dangerous area, unfortunately.
I have an uncle in Southern Africa and when I was last there, I was mugged twice, guys wielding knives etc, and supposedly things have become much worse since then. Finally that was in Johannesburg, and supposedly, it's much worse than that in Zimbabwe and Botswana.
Finally, assuming you are white you will stand out from the crowd a little bit and my personal impression is that you will get assaulted at the slightest hint of possessing anything worth more than £10, which you inevitably will have (say shoes).
Of course to counter that there's probably 95% of very friendly people and most importantly, the most beautiful nature in the world.
I suppose if you go with an organised trip, you're much safer, but I rarely enjoyed trips with a set program as I like to explore things on my own... |
I have travelled to Africa quite a few times before so am fully versed on what to expect.
Zimbabwe was a country, funnily enough, I was planning to avoid.
Thanks for your input, but to be honest, i think your own experiences have, understandably, overshadowed your opinions of these countries. The many times I have been to Africa I have not once felt threatened and have certainly never been assaulted over a pair of old trainers.
South Africa is a notorious hot bed for violent crime, but I have not heard that Botswana is worse than SA before.
I think it is the same any country/city that you travel to. Common sense prevails - keep your wits about you, don't walk down unlit back streets at night, know where the no-go areas are, don't take part in any large public demo's etc etc etc.
I normally prefer traveling independently as well, but as I am traveling on my own to a country I am unfamiliar with, it is best for me to look for an overland tour rather than doing a self-drive or something. |
Being a South African I am rather embarrassed to admit that I totally agree with some of what Smitty has to say. However, it's not "white people" who stand out between a crowd - but rather tourists. They are spotted from a mile off, and are unfortunately easy targets for muggers. One can never be too safe - and my best advice is not to stray into slum areas, and back streets at any time of day. It would be advisable to make use of tourist guides when sight-seeing. Don't buy jewelery from street vendors, and please be careful when drawing large sums of money from the ATM machines. If you decide to go hiking up Cape Town's famous land mark - Table Mountain, travel in large groups. It's not advisable during Winter though - and could be rather dangerous due to its heavy "table cloth" and our unpredictable weather. Watch out for our "informal taxis" who often chase around like a "legion of demons" at a wicked speed!
Always keep Emergency numbers and a cell phone at hand :
http://www.uncoverthecape.co.za/phone-numbers.htm
http://www.sa-venues.com/wctouris.htm
http://www.eda.admin.ch/eda/en/home/reps/afri/vzaf/cgcato/emernr.html
"Voorspoedige reis!" ("Have a good trip") |
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