[Honest John]

[Honest John]

[gumboil]

Well, I call it direct sales because you are selling directly to the end user, without any retail premises i.e.shop and it's a personal contact thing.

The way to establish whether you're making any money or not, is to keep accounts! Sales minus expenditure equals profit (or loss). You probably do this so not being patronising here! Just that a lot of people who join Kleeneze, aren't made aware of this.

I know that Findel have an assortment of different arms to their overall business. If the cataloguing arm isn't working for you, well, don't do it.

At the moment, I'm working with a company where the re investment is minimal. I don't have to keep buying replacement catalogues etc so, the only real outlay is my time. There is no stock, money to handle and collect and no repeat business required. Once I have a customer, that's the only time I need to see them and I get paid every month, regularly on the basis of my customers. The effort to reward ratio is great! Takes about an hour to get a customer. So, it's a whole lot less time and energy consuming and I get paid every month, for work I've done in the past.

I'm a big fan of network marketing/direct sales, call it what you will and I cut my teeth with Kleeneze.

It was the right business model but the wrong vehicle for me, there are easier ways.

[montyzuma]

hi gumboil thanks again for your input
your are calling it direct sales which is fine
you can call it what you wish

does the company involve a mlm system within its structure?

or do you work directly between the consumer and the company?
and there is no incentive to recruit others in a mlm type of way?

i have no particular axe to grind

it works for you great

it is only a conversation

[gumboil]

Hi Monty,

It is an industry of many names!

There is a networking structure available for those who want to follow that path but it's not mandatory nor is there any pressure to go down that path. It's entirely down to the individual's decision. So laid back, it's practically vertical. As an organisation, individuals are left to make their own decisions, which is as it should be. If anyone chooses to take the team building route, there are people to help them. If you don't want to do that, that's ok too. Whatever floats your boat or suits you.

There are obvious additional monetary benefits from team building. The people I work with, work with integrity and don't do 'vampire recruiting' (i.e. constant new blood) they have discernment and act with integrity. They only recruit the people who are a) not desperate for anything! b) have been told and understand that they will have to work hard for a couple of years to see a good return, (like most businesses) not in a couple of weeks/months, c) are motivated and self reliant and are receptive to teaching and a different way of earning money.

There are always ways of earning money outside the traditional job route but not all people are open minded enough to see this. I feel this is a failure on our educational system. But, heh, that's just my opnion! I know loads of people who make a very good income from various means outside the 9-5 norm.

[montyzuma]

can I postulate that it has many names because it keeps sullying the previous ones

ie mlm to network marketing to ?????

glad you ahev found a compant that works for you
i dodnt realise they were so big

can i ask you to remove the ad from your sig as its against forum rules and they are being rigously enforced at present and we'd hate to lose you

cheers

[gumboil]

[montyzuma]

no probs ta

[Honest John]

[gumboil]

I'd like to send you a PM but can't see where I can do this??? Or am I just being blind??

Rather not post on an open forum as no doubt, I will be accused of spamming or some such thing!

[gumboil]

Honest John, if you email me at superstar171@yahoo.co.uk I'll send you some info.

[Honest John]

[gumboil]

[lucyj2007]

I nearly joined Amway once, until the guy doing the presentation stayed at my home for two hours and wouldn't leave. I do buy from the kleeneze catalogue though.